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ufc69
01-11-2010, 05:08 AM
this is my first cycle i've got 50ml of enanthate, im 20 years old 6foot tall just ova 190 pounds an about 12 percent body fat what doesages do u guys recommend over a 10 week cycle?
At the moment i tryin to get some nolvadex an from what i've read the doesages for that is 40mg daily for 2weeks, 2 weeks after the last injection then 20mg for another 2 weeks? correct me if im wrong?

weldingman
01-11-2010, 05:42 AM
First of all, Iv never seen a 50ml vial of test e. Are you sure its real and secondly how many mg/ml is it? I seen EQ at 50ml, but never Test.

ufc69
01-11-2010, 05:52 AM
i dunno im still waiting to get it off my mate he's a bouncer an used the same stuff not 2 long ago, but yeh not to sure how many mg/ml i prob should find out first, i'll try an get a pic of the bottle an show u

weldingman
01-11-2010, 06:03 AM
yes, that would be nice , I would love to see a pic, close up shot.

Lone Wolf
01-11-2010, 06:08 AM
To be honest 20 years old is too young and yes there are 50ml bottles of test enth, I have seen 100ml bottles, stopper wears out before the gear lol.

READ THIS ARTICAL THIS WILL HELP YOU.

This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing

weldingman
01-11-2010, 07:42 AM
Good advice, LW who makes Test E at 50ml or 100ml?

MtR
01-11-2010, 04:23 PM
Good advice, LW who makes Test E at 50ml or 100ml?

Homebrew more than likely. I'm sure there may be a few UGL's that make it in amounts such as that.

ufc69
01-11-2010, 05:19 PM
thanks for the advise that was a good read, i have been workin out prob for 5 years since i was 15, some times i've had to take a month off here an there mainly due to work when it gets busy an im doin 14 hour days, an somtimes might miss a workout on a weekend from bein to hungova but thats only cuz im still young.

Lone Wolf
01-11-2010, 06:39 PM
Homebrew more than likely. I'm sure there may be a few UGL's that make it in amounts such as that.

Yes UGL

GFR
01-11-2010, 07:49 PM
this is my first cycle i've got 50ml of enanthate, im 20 years old 6foot tall just ova 190 pounds an about 12 percent body fat what doesages do u guys recommend over a 10 week cycle?
At the moment i tryin to get some nolvadex an from what i've read the doesages for that is 40mg daily for 2weeks, 2 weeks after the last injection then 20mg for another 2 weeks? correct me if im wrong?20 is too young, at about 21 long bone growth is completed, at 23-25 your endocrine system is developed so 23 or older is a much better time to start.

weldingman
01-11-2010, 09:29 PM
50ml of Test would be nice as long as it was OD.

VictorZ06
01-12-2010, 04:12 AM
Brovel makes/made 50mg/ml of test prop as does Testolic. Never seen enan dosed that low.

/V

Lone Wolf
01-12-2010, 04:49 AM
Brovel makes/made 50mg/ml of test prop as does Testolic. Never seen enan dosed that low.

/V
QGL and HCP use to carry them before they got busted

ufc69
01-12-2010, 05:25 AM
20 is too young, at about 21 long bone growth is completed, at 23-25 your endocrine system is developed so 23 or older is a much better time to start.

so whats it gona do if i start it now at 20? will it stop the develpment of the endocrine system? i've read sumthin like that steroids stop your bone growth or sumthin but i dont think i'll be realy growing anymore

GFR
01-12-2010, 03:06 PM
so whats it gona do if i start it now at 20? will it stop the develpment of the endocrine system? i've read sumthin like that steroids stop your bone growth or sumthin but i dont think i'll be realy growing anymoreROFL, inject away then.

ufc69
01-12-2010, 05:32 PM
ROFL, inject away then.

yeh but do u think it will stop the develpment of the endocrine system? or what effect will it have on it?

GFR
01-12-2010, 06:29 PM
yeh but do u think it will stop the develpment of the endocrine system? or what effect will it have on it?Why would you use drugs you don't understand?

You need to educate yourself; I think you really need to spend the next 2 years learning before you even consider using drugs you clearly do not understand.

WFC2010
01-14-2010, 02:35 AM
50ml vial is best way to get abscess

Glycomann
01-16-2010, 07:37 PM
As long as it has proper bacteriostatics it shoul be fine. 20 is to young though.

theCaptn'
01-16-2010, 08:28 PM
I never heard of 50ml vials in Australia.

There aint much gear in circulation, if it's reasonably common Ida heard about it.

TrashMan
01-18-2010, 03:53 PM
Too young.

ufc69
01-18-2010, 05:44 PM
well if i wanted to no if i was to young i would've asked that, but thanks for answering none of my questions!

TrashMan
01-18-2010, 08:03 PM
Wow. It's like asking questions about a job that you can't apply for yet. It's like selling a car you don't own yet. It's like eating food you haven't bought yet. Do you see a common link between these statements?

I'm sorry, how much do you know about AAS? More than me? More than anyone else who responded? I'm giving you a responsible, honest answer. However, you're a stubborn, ignorant boy who would rather do his body premature harm. You're too fuckin' young. I'm sorry that's not what you wanna hear. My last name is not Obama, I'm not gonna lie to you and promise things I can't do.

P.S. Want to be taken seriously? Learn how to spell and use complete sentences.

ufc69
01-19-2010, 04:16 AM
yeh i am stubborn who gives a shit! an i prob have already done my body harm with the shit i've done but im here for a good time not a long time mate. so i geuss im just gona have to workout my own fuckin dosages!

theCaptn'
01-19-2010, 07:43 AM
lol, kids gonna end up with bitch titties

heavyiron
01-19-2010, 01:31 PM
this is my first cycle i've got 50ml of enanthate, im 20 years old 6foot tall just ova 190 pounds an about 12 percent body fat what doesages do u guys recommend over a 10 week cycle?
At the moment i tryin to get some nolvadex an from what i've read the doesages for that is 40mg daily for 2weeks, 2 weeks after the last injection then 20mg for another 2 weeks? correct me if im wrong?
600mg Testosterone per week. Split that into 2 doses. 300mg Tue, 300mg Sat.

Check out this thread;
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/104658-first-cycle-pct.html

ufc69
01-20-2010, 03:55 AM
600mg Testosterone per week. Split that into 2 doses. 300mg Tue, 300mg Sat.

Check out this thread;
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/104658-first-cycle-pct.html

thanks heavyiron, i was thinkin around 600mg a week just wanted a more experianced person to confirm

heavyiron
01-20-2010, 06:05 AM
thanks heavyiron, i was thinkin around 600mg a week just wanted a more experianced person to confirm
You are welcome.

My first run was at age 20 as well and if you read the clinical human trial that link is based on the scientists had a number of 18 year olds using testosterone for 20 weeks so as long as you are aware of the risks I see no reason for you not to run a course at your age.

TrashMan
01-20-2010, 04:52 PM
yeh i am stubborn who gives a shit! an i prob have already done my body harm with the shit i've done but im here for a good time not a long time mate. so i geuss im just gona have to workout my own fuckin dosages!

Idiot. Another example of why it's illegal.