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Muscle_Girl
09-23-2002, 05:42 PM
Ok, me and the boy were gettin it on last night on the couch.. I was on top and he was almost ready to splat:splat: So.. I asked him not to make a mess on the couch and asked him if he needed a lil somethin to clean up. He said no it's ok, so I was like.. well why dun you just go inside me and I can push it out afterwards... he was like you sure? I was like yea.. it should be ok.

I know I shouldn't have done it, but I did. Was just wondering if this actually does work.. I did end up getting alot out afterwards, but am still a lil cautious on the matter. I am due up for my period over the next few weeks so I should know by then.. but its the worst thing to have on your mind.

Does squeezin it out work.. and are there actually chances of me NOT being pregnant at the moment?

Dr. Pain
09-23-2002, 05:47 PM
Please don't take this the wrong way.......


Next time...take a popsicle stick and coat it with P-nut Butter.....insert it and all of the future baby making sperm, well, they stick to the P-nut butter like little addicts :lol:

FUCK NO IT DOESN'T WORK!


Do you know what they call people who practice Rhythm?


DP

w8lifter
09-23-2002, 05:49 PM
OMG!!!!

Muscle_Girl
09-23-2002, 05:50 PM
I know.. I said I shouldn't have done it, but I was too lazy to get up and stuff..

Have I dug myself a big hole?

Twin Peak
09-23-2002, 05:54 PM
perhaps.

w8lifter
09-23-2002, 05:55 PM
MG....your fucking attitude sucks! I know not what you want to hear, but fuck! Very fucking childish and immature thing to do....obviously too young to be having sex!

CRASHMAN
09-23-2002, 05:55 PM
i love your responce w8

Dr. Pain
09-23-2002, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Pain



Do you know what they call people who practice Rhythm?





???


DP

CRASHMAN
09-23-2002, 05:56 PM
(the omg one)

CRASHMAN
09-23-2002, 05:57 PM
shit shit shit shit shit!

Muscle_Girl
09-23-2002, 06:04 PM
Yea I know it was a childish thing to do.. but geez.. back up a lil and gimme some room here.. Answer my question for one, and please gimme some support.. I really need it!

CRASHMAN
09-23-2002, 06:04 PM
i'm sorry to say this MG but if i were you i'd go get a pregnacy test

Muscle_Girl
09-23-2002, 06:06 PM
Would it even sho up so quickly.. sperm lasts 72 hours right.. so conception would take a lil longer than about.. uhh.. 24 hrs?

Twin Peak
09-23-2002, 06:09 PM
I think your question was answered. Several times. You want detail.

First, what were you doing practing unprotected sex? Obviously from you comment you are not using birth control. What about sexual diseases? And don't give me the "we are monogomous" crap...blah blah bla....not worth it hun.

Second, if your form of birth control is pulling out (doesn't work, you can still get pregnant even if he never cums inside you) what the hell are you doing giving that up. Since you need not cum inside a woman to get her pregnant, obviously squeezing it out is NOT GOING TO WORK.

I suggest you keep your fingers crossed and learn a pretty damn big lesson.

Dr. Pain
09-23-2002, 06:11 PM
PARENTS!

Don't do that again :finger:


DP

Muscle_Girl
09-23-2002, 06:13 PM
To tell you the truth I was more concerned with myself not being able to have kids and stuff.. and I dunno, I was stressing over the whole thing.

I asked my guy if he would stay with me if I was sterile and he said he didn't know. So that kinda scared the shit outta me and stuff.

We have been through this before where he accidentally cummed a lil inside me and that was surprising to not have gotten me pregnant... I dunno, I cant really take criticism here so please dont give it in the thread.

Badger
09-23-2002, 06:23 PM
MG- NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

I realize that you did something that you knew better than to do in the first place. This method is no good. Nor is anything else other than abstenence for the 100% sure fire method of not getting pregnant. Please in the future if you are going to be "active" please use all the protection that you can. Better safe than sorry. Children are a wonderful thing but not when you are not ready for them.

animal56
09-23-2002, 08:50 PM
MG,

FYI - The semen is just a vessel for the sperm to help it get through any obstacles or antibodies in your body.

Chances are, that if the sperm wants to get through, it would have "infected" before you "squeezed".

If you had an orgasm, the chances of conception are even higher. The female orgasm is actually the cervix extending and dipping into the pool of sperm inside your vagina (if I have my anatomy right).

Your best bet is to get to the doctor and take a morning after pill if you are truly worried (maybe over-the-counter in the US?). It'll cost you $$ and lay you up in illness for a few days (puke and all), but it's your best bet in these next few hours. DO NOT WAIT UNTIL YOUR PERIOD IF YOU ARE NOT INTENDING TO CARRY A FETUS! You'll be walking into abortion/pregnancy territory then.

Whatever happens MG, be calm. As a young woman, I'm sure this won't be the last time you'll have a "scare". As well, I think the intentions of the people in this post are good, but maybe a bit misdirected and critical (father figurely?). What's done is done. Now you have to think things out, react as appropriate, and hopefully you'll learn from this, and maybe find alternative birth control methods.

I'm a 27 year old father of a 6 year old daughter, speaking from experience.
:heartpump

meathead
09-23-2002, 09:14 PM
are you kidding me????!!!! OMG.
it saddens me to hear things like this.

if you actually get through this without incident...and i pray you do...PLEASE, PLEASE, go take a sexual education class or something. it is very obvious you have a lot to learn.

i am sure the people here are not trying to be mean. we are just very concerned with your actions and your well being.

lean_n_76er
09-23-2002, 09:32 PM
MG - I can not say anything Animal didn't (well, except the father thing).

Animal - nice support and nice post!

CRASHMAN
09-24-2002, 02:02 AM
ever try to squeeze all the ketchup outa te bottle :D

mmafiter
09-24-2002, 04:37 AM
Take it from a guy who became a father at 19 out of sheer stupidity such as this, never do this type of thing again. You have no idea how much your life will change should you become a teenage parent. I'm actually amazed I wasn't a parent much, much sooner. :shrug:

I'm 32 and I look at my friends who were smart about sex in highschool and they have thier houses almost paid for, nice cars, money in the bank etc, and they are now secure/mature enough to have children. I on the other hand took any job I could find, finished highschool at 21 and college and 25, because of this and I will never achieve the same sort of financial success as my peers. Also, my teens and early twenties period of learning and experimenting are lost to me.

Not to be a downer, or wallow in self pity but just trying to show you there are real, life altering consequences to your behaviour. :)

MtnBikerChk
09-24-2002, 06:13 AM
This is from the same girl who laughed at her boyfriend for not being able to get it up.

MG, I'd take a step back and evaluate your life....

1. are you mature enough to be having sex?
2. why are you even having sex - do you love your boyfriend? (doesn't really sound like it)
3. does he love you?

You seriously need some counseling (and maybe be sent back to school for some sex ed).

MtnBikerChk
09-24-2002, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by mmafiter
Take it from a guy who became a father at 19 out of sheer stupidity......

I'm 32.....

So that means w8 was......
:eek: :eek:

w8lifter
09-24-2002, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by MtnBikerChk


So that means w8 was......
:eek: :eek:

17

ponyboy
09-24-2002, 06:49 AM
Simple solution process:

1. Go to your doctor or walk in clinic and get a morning after pill and deal with your current problem.

2. Stop having sex for now. Yes, it is great and fun but obviously NEITHER of you is mature enough to deal with the consequences if you get pregnant is you can't even be bothered to use birth control. If your boyfriend gets pissed off, dump him. He should know better than to come inside a girl unprotected anyway.

3. Talk to your doctor about getting on birth control pills or something similar that will protect you.

I as well almost had a child at the age of 18...she ended up miscarrying, but still, every time I think about it I get the willies. I commend people who have had enough balls to raise a family being so young and actually taking care of their mistakes. My respect level for w8 and mmafiter just went up a couple of notches.

Pianomahnn
09-24-2002, 08:34 AM
Squeeze it out?

You're kidding me, right?

It's obvious you can squat and hump like mad, but you don't have even the basics on what it's all about.

Your probably preggers, chick dude.

75 cents for piece of rubber is a lot cheaper than 21 years with a child.

Muscle_Girl
09-24-2002, 09:09 AM
Thanks for the advice and all, but I am seriously regretting posting this now.. although most of you have put in alot of nice things to say, some of you have just been way too brutal.. no matter what persepctive your looking at it from.

I know damn well I am not ready for a kid, and it was the most stupid mistake I could make so far in my life.. but it happened.

I am scared shitless here and what you guys say is not supportive.. and what I need is support right now.

Anyone wanna tell me their opinion of abortion.. (I am NOT looking for people yelling at me, just getting an idea for what may or may not happen)

AND please, please stop jumping down my throat about this.. I have done it enough towards myself.

w8lifter
09-24-2002, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by animal56
MG,

FYI - The semen is just a vessel for the sperm to help it get through any obstacles or antibodies in your body.

Chances are, that if the sperm wants to get through, it would have "infected" before you "squeezed".

If you had an orgasm, the chances of conception are even higher. The female orgasm is actually the cervix extending and dipping into the pool of sperm inside your vagina (if I have my anatomy right).

Your best bet is to get to the doctor and take a morning after pill if you are truly worried (maybe over-the-counter in the US?). It'll cost you $$ and lay you up in illness for a few days (puke and all), but it's your best bet in these next few hours. DO NOT WAIT UNTIL YOUR PERIOD IF YOU ARE NOT INTENDING TO CARRY A FETUS! You'll be walking into abortion/pregnancy territory then.

Whatever happens MG, be calm. As a young woman, I'm sure this won't be the last time you'll have a "scare". As well, I think the intentions of the people in this post are good, but maybe a bit misdirected and critical (father figurely?). What's done is done. Now you have to think things out, react as appropriate, and hopefully you'll learn from this, and maybe find alternative birth control methods.

I'm a 27 year old father of a 6 year old daughter, speaking from experience.
:heartpump


Why don't you read this post again!

I Are Baboon
09-24-2002, 11:00 AM
I've rubbed one out before. Does that count?

Prince
09-24-2002, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Muscle_Girl
Anyone wanna tell me their opinion of abortion.. (I am NOT looking for people yelling at me, just getting an idea for what may or may not happen)


It's an option that should be exercised more often! :)

If someone is not ready for a child they should get an abortion...it's not fair to bring a child into this world that either you do not want or cannot provide for.

I know there is adoption, and that should be used as a last resort. I think you just create a lifetime of psychological problems for a kid when you put them up for adoption. Sooner or later they will find out and want to find their biological parents, and then everyone is hurt.

just my opinion...

I Are Baboon
09-24-2002, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Prince


It's an option that should be exercised more often! :)

If someone is not ready for a child they should get an abortion...it's not fair to bring a child into this world that either you do not want or cannot provide for.

I know there is adoption, and that should be used as a last resort. I think you just create a lifetime of psychological problems for a kid when you put them up for adoption. Sooner or later they will find out and want to find their biological parents, and then everyone is hurt.

just my opinion...

I agree.

nikegurl
09-24-2002, 11:11 AM
Hi MG - I know you think people are being harsh and you said you made a mistake....but it doesn't really sound like a mistake. It sounds like a deliberate (bad) decision and part of a pattern.

Simply put - "squeezing it out" is no better than nothing at all.

And if the usual method is for him to pull out - that isn't any better either.

And don't forget - STDs are also an issue - not just pregnancy.

MtnBikerChk
09-24-2002, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by Prince


It's an option that should be exercised more often! :)

If someone is not ready for a child they should get an abortion...it's not fair to bring a child into this world that either you do not want or cannot provide for.

I know there is adoption, and that should be used as a last resort. I think you just create a lifetime of psychological problems for a kid when you put them up for adoption. Sooner or later they will find out and want to find their biological parents, and then everyone is hurt.

just my opinion...

Here's a can of worms.

Here's a can opener.

too late.

naturaltan
09-24-2002, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by Prince

If someone is not ready for a child they should ...


not have sex!! If you're not prepared for the consequences, don't play the game. If should be that simple, but of course, life is not simple.

irontime
09-24-2002, 01:34 PM
Oh sweetie no. I'm not going to tell you to stop having sex as I don't think there are to many people on this board or in society as a whole that actually practice this, but if no protection then at LEAST pull out. Like it's been said before it's not fool proof but it's better than going in you. But since that is to late then take mega doses of Vitamin C. I've heard that this helps stimulate the body into having your period. This is not intended to be used as a birth control as it may not work, but it's worth a shot.

Twin Peak
09-24-2002, 01:38 PM
Okay MG. You feel unsupported and you feel some of use have been harse. Maybe, but you need to understand why.

It is the naivite' (some would call stupidity) not just getting into this situation, but also how you started the thread asking if squeezing it out works.

If you had started this thread by saying "Last night I did the stupidest thing...."

I am sure you would have received more support.

nikegurl
09-24-2002, 01:46 PM
irontime...PLEASE don't suggest they "pull out"

that doesn't work! i can't believe that myth still circulates.
granted - less sperm have a shot at making it if you pull out but it definitely does not qualify as an even remotely reliable form of birth control.

irontime
09-24-2002, 01:52 PM
I'm not suggesting 'pull out' just saying that it would have been a hell of a lot better than going in her. I'm suggesting condoms, abstenance, swallowing, hell ANYTHING rather than going in her.

Muscle_Girl
09-24-2002, 03:42 PM
Well, thanks for the positive responses. It's what I needed most.

I guess I should have worded it different from the start, but I tend to do that alot.. as the same in the "Lol" thread. The way I type it is just whatever comes to my mind.


In response to you Prince, thanks for the input.. I had and prolly will NEVER have intentions of giving my child up for adoption no matter the situation. I have grown up without a father so I know exactly how it feels from the kids perspective.
I was also told that abortions ruin your insides, and make it so that some people can't even have kids afterwards... This just a myth, or does it actually happen?

We have been talking about me getting birth control pills for a little while now, I just haven't acted on it. I will do that this week when I see the doctor.

As for abstenance.. Not happening. Our lives aren't based solely on sex, but our relationship is fairly intimate.. we share alot of things with eachother, and its not always sex that we resort to for intimacy. This is not some hardcore teenage porno... this is our lives intwined, and I think highly of it. We have been together for over a year now, and my feelings for him are extremely strong. And I know he feels the same because I see it alot within him. It's not like the first date we said I love you and thats how its been since.. Its taken quite a long time to get where we are so far.. we also have much more to come, but I know that will come when the time is right.

Pianomahnn
09-24-2002, 07:16 PM
Find out if your preggers, now, and get an abortion as soon as possible.

I despise abortions more than a month into conception...I find it's evil.

Rissole
09-24-2002, 07:48 PM
I am sorry to say that i am totally disgusted with most of the responses from you guys. Sorry but that is the first thing that comes to mind....
Anyway let me say i agree with naturaltan The only way to be sure is 100% abstinance Even condoms have a failure rate of 1 in 9. And i have a friends who got pregnant while using the pill (they are married) I know that might be hard for you NG but if your not prepared to have a child then dont do the deed.
Does your boyfreind love you?? Yes probably but enough....
You said you asked him if he would stay with you if you were sterile and his answer..... Darling you are sharing the most precious part of your life with this guy, i love my wife so much more than my children it wouldn't matter if she was sterile, i love her not the family 'thing' (mind you i love my children so much it hurts) When you marry someone its FOR BETTER OR WORSE!!
Abortion.............. please..........
Do not be fooled young lady, as soon as sperm meets egg you have created life, a new life.... To "get rid of" or put so crudely by Mr Baboon "rubbed one out" is .................... you fill in the blank
Not to mention the emotional scar it will leave in your mind for the rest of your life (people that say that a certain time frame that the fetoeus is not a person are coping out)
Sorry if any of that hurt MG but like someone said "take a step back" take a good look.
Dont wait to see the doctor do it now!!!!! You've made the mistake deal with it now!!!

Yes my respect level for w8 and mma also went up more than a few steps!!!
I now go tentively to click the "submit reply" button...

butterfly
09-24-2002, 08:24 PM
I don't know how to start this post... I feel really bad cause I know I've been hard on you as a teen having sex. Mostly it was b/c I got pregnant when I was 17 and hated seeing you be so naive and walk right into the same mistakes I made.

If you are pregnant, please don't think your life is over. It will be hard to be so young and raise a child but w8 & mmafiter did it and I did too. Believe me, it was much harder being a pregnant teen 15 yrs ago than it is now. Everyone still looked down on you like you were scum. Now days they got daycares in High School!!!

I do so hope you'll reconsider the abortion. I really can't think of a more selfish act then conveniently getting rid of a baby so you can have a "normal" life... whatever that's supposed to be.

I recently got pregnant, twice actually, with fade using the pull out method... miscarried both times in the 6-7 week time frame. I would give anything to have those babies. Noone will ever convince me they were just a bunch of cells.

I know how you feel about the adoption thing, too. I couldn't stand the thought of knowing I had a child in this world and didn't know if he was ok. I knew another girl that gave away her baby girl and she regrets it to this day.

Bottom line girl... I'm here if you need someone to talk to, regardless of how all this turns out.

butterfly
09-24-2002, 08:46 PM
For future reference...

Menstruation occurs every 28 days or so between puberty and menopause, except during pregnancy, and the flow lasts about 5 days, the times varying from woman to woman.

Menstruation usually starts between the ages of 11 and 14 and continues into the forties or fifties. At first the periods may be irregular, but once they are established they usually occur in a fairly definite rhythm, at intervals of 21 to 35 days. In these regular cycles, there may be monthly variations of a few days, which are considered normal. Cycle length may be influenced by changes in climate or living conditions, or by emotional factors.

General ill health, a change in climate or living conditions, emotional shock, or, frequently, either the hope or fear of becoming pregnant can sometimes stop menstruation after it has begun (secondary amenorrhea).

That means that sometimes the fear that you might be pregnant can actually cause you to not start your period.


A woman is usually able to get pregnant for about 5 days each month, when ovulation occurs. On average, ovulation occurs 12 to 16 days before the menstrual period begins. Therefore, ovulation would occur on about day 10 of a 24-day menstrual cycle, day 14 of a 28-day cycle, or day 21 of a 35-day cycle. The key to becoming pregnant or to avoiding pregnancy is determining when ovulation occurs.

courtesy of webmd.com

-------------------------------------
Simplest way to determine when you are ovulating is to keep a calendar with every day (no matter how slight) of every period marked. Then you can determine your cycle and when you ovulate based on the guidelines above... don't have sex when you are or are about to start ovulating.

Read this (http://my.webmd.com/encyclopedia/article/1819.51010) to learn more about when you can get pregnant.

Hope it's a false alarm and that this info will help you understand your body better.

animal56
09-24-2002, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by Muscle_Girl
I am scared shitless here and what you guys say is not supportive.. and what I need is support right now.

Anyone wanna tell me their opinion of abortion.. (I am NOT looking for people yelling at me, just getting an idea for what may or may not happen)

AND please, please stop jumping down my throat about this.. I have done it enough towards myself.

MG,

I don't think everyone is trying to be nasty about this, they are just trying help you. (Again, alittle misguided, late, AND harsh. But, what's done is done.)

My opinion on abortion:

A fetus is not a baby until it develops a functioning brain. I don't have any resources on hand at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that it isn't in the first trimester (3 months), which is the end line to have an abortion.

A woman's body is her own, and if she makes this choice, then it is her right. I would also hope that she would consider the father's opinion on the situation, as he helped in the conception.

HOWEVER, I feel that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. Women who are raped, molested, in financial, health and/or mental situations, are too young and/or single, should not be deterred from having an abortion if it is her educated choice. I also feel that everyone has the right to make a mistake. Once bitten, twice shy.

Whatever choice you make MG, it's the right choice, just make sure it's an educated choice, and be sure to use this as a learning experience.

Hope this helps. Feel free to PM if you have any other questions. I will try to help as best as I can.

Prince
09-24-2002, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by Muscle_Girl
I was also told that abortions ruin your insides, and make it so that some people can't even have kids afterwards... This just a myth, or does it actually happen?


If done properly it should not cause any problems, but just like any "surgery" there can be complications, so I guess there is some risk involved, but I would say minimal.

Rissole
09-24-2002, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by butterfly
I don't know how to start this post... I feel really bad cause I know I've been hard on you as a teen having sex. Mostly it was b/c I got pregnant when I was 17 and hated seeing you be so naive and walk right into the same mistakes I made.

If you are pregnant, please don't think your life is over. It will be hard to be so young and raise a child but w8 & mmafiter did it and I did too. Believe me, it was much harder being a pregnant teen 15 yrs ago than it is now. Everyone still looked down on you like you were scum. Now days they got daycares in High School!!!

I do so hope you'll reconsider the abortion. I really can't think of a more selfish act then conveniently getting rid of a baby so you can have a "normal" life... whatever that's supposed to be.

I recently got pregnant, twice actually, with fade using the pull out method... miscarried both times in the 6-7 week time frame. I would give anything to have those babies. Noone will ever convince me they were just a bunch of cells.

I know how you feel about the adoption thing, too. I couldn't stand the thought of knowing I had a child in this world and didn't know if he was ok. I knew another girl that gave away her baby girl and she regrets it to this day.

Bottom line girl... I'm here if you need someone to talk to, regardless of how all this turns out.

:clap: :clap:
Awesome words Butterfly!!

Rissole
09-24-2002, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by animal56
My opinion on abortion:

A fetus is not a baby until it develops a functioning brain. I don't have any resources on hand at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that it isn't in the first trimester (3 months), which is the end line to have an abortion.

So at what point when you were concieved where you really not you??


Originally posted by animal56

HOWEVER, I feel that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. Women who are raped, molested, in financial, health and/or mental situations, are too young and/or single, should not be deterred from having an abortion if it is her educated choice. I also feel that everyone has the right to make a mistake. Once bitten, twice shy.

I have a friend who is a product of rape. He is one of the nicest most level headed people i know, Also we are not living in a third world country ...... so where are you drawing the line, would that just be whatever is convenient for the person, like Butterfly said"selfish"

Mudge
09-24-2002, 10:22 PM
Even pre-ejaculatory fluid is enough to impregnate a woman (dont know if this was covered, didn't read the rest!).

Muscle_Girl
09-25-2002, 05:55 AM
Of course the subject of abortion has come up when talking with my guy MANY times.

Basically his response everytime would be "it's up to the female, this is something that is a life altering action. She is the one that has to carry it around for 9 months, and care for it most of her life." He has also told me that his choice wouldn't be to get an abortion, but still is the females choice.

At first I didn't really think it should be all my choice, but as he explined the reasons it convinced me that it really is MY choice. Not that what he thinks wont be taken into consideration, and we wont talk about it.. but really a matter of whether we can support this child if we choose to go through a pregnancy.

I know that he would be there for me, as he has been there for me so much to deal with this exact topic.

I just pray that I got enough out so that I wont even have to deal with this all at my age.

Once again, thanks for the supporting comments, and Butterfly, I thank you for the information, its extremely helpful.

naturaltan
09-25-2002, 07:38 AM
I had a long drawn out response, but I have decided that you MG know 'your man' better than we do. It makes me wonder if he truly would be by yourside with such comments as "it's up to the woman ..." Please, be sure that he is sincere in his love to you. I wish you the best in your relationship and in whatever comes in the next little while.

ALBOB
09-25-2002, 12:31 PM
First: No, squeezing out ejaculate will NOT prevent pregnancy. It will not even decrease your chances of getting pregnant. By the time you start squeezing it's too late. Enough on that subject, hopefully you've learned you HAVE to use birth control.

Second: I don't know anyone who has been adopted or has given a child up for adoption so I'm not speaking from experience here, just going on gutt feelings. There are thousands of couples yearning for a child but for whatever reason can't have one of their own. There are also thousands of children that are suffering because they were brought into homes that don't have the ability to provide for them. Seems to me that putting the two together would be a good thing. Again, that's not from experience, just a feeling.

Third and last: As Prince already said, an abortion is surgery. As with any surgery, things can go wrong. I have no idea what the numbers are but if you go to an established, reputable doctor your chances of being damaged by having an abortion are very remote. I'm not going to tell you my feelings about abortion because it's not my place to try to insinuate my feelings onto your body BUT, I am concerned by your boyfriends attitude.


Originally posted by Muscle_Girl Basically his response everytime would be "it's up to the female, this is something that is a life altering action. She is the one that has to carry it around for 9 months, and care for it most of her life." He has also told me that his choice wouldn't be to get an abortion, but still is the females choice.

Notice that when he said "it's a life altering action" he meant only for the female. His life is going to go on as though nothing had happened. He also stated that he expects you to take care of it and leave him scott free. He's even removed himself from the decision making process. I don't buy for an instant it's because "it's the female's choice", he just doesn't want to have the responsibility. OK, enough of my rant. You say you know him well and that you're absolutely sure he'd be by your side no matter what. I hope you're right. Honestly, I want nothing but the best for you so I really do hope he'll be there for you. Unfortunately, that's not what his words are saying. :(

butterfly
09-25-2002, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by animal56
My opinion on abortion:

A fetus is not a baby until it develops a functioning brain. I don't have any resources on hand at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that it isn't in the first trimester (3 months), which is the end line to have an abortion.
Did you know that a fetus can have a heartbeat as early as 5-6 weeks? That's makes it some sort of living creature beyond a mass of cells.


Originally posted by animal56
A woman's body is her own, and if she makes this choice, then it is her right. I would also hope that she would consider the father's opinion on the situation, as he helped in the conception.

HOWEVER, I feel that abortion should not be used as a form of birth control. Women who are raped, molested, in financial, health and/or mental situations, are too young and/or single, should not be deterred from having an abortion if it is her educated choice. I also feel that everyone has the right to make a mistake. Once bitten, twice shy.

Whatever choice you make MG, it's the right choice, just make sure it's an educated choice, and be sure to use this as a learning experience.

I completely agree with everything you've said here.

I'm glad I had the choice. In fact my parents gave me a lot of options on each choice. I don't know if I could have lived with the outcome had it not be MY choice, my resolution, and my acceptance of the responsibility that came with the choice.

Trap-isaurus
09-25-2002, 07:57 PM
Wow people not alot of very nice responses here, I think what dissapoints me the most is the amount of threads I have heard men refer to not using any protection and it is taken very lightly by everyone. I hope all those with extremely negative reactions remeber this the next time a guy posts something about going rubberless!!

Swearing about this and deamening MG after the fact gets no one anywhere, except making her feel even worse.

MG a shitty situation to say the least but what is done is done, I would recomend the "Morning after" pill, it will make you sick and cause you to have your period right away but if you don't think you can do this then thats your best solution at present.

And for all those slamming MG's boyfriend lets not jump to conclusions here people. I would say the same thing if it was my G/F, do I want her to get an abortion and then go thru the rest of her life feeling like I pressured her into it....hell no!! It is her decision, he made the decision as well as her to take the chance, if she decides to keep the child then he takes care of it, if she decides to abort the child then it's her decision, it's her body.

"It's a life altering decision" is not a statement of uncaring about the situation but a pretty fucking grown up attitude, I know women who've had abortions and it's a very life altering decision in that 8 times outta 10 they are pretty messed up about it forever.

As far as Im concerned Abortion should only be for Victims of Rape/Molestation/Incest, if they choose to. To many women use this as a form of birth control.

animal56
09-25-2002, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by peetrips


So at what point when you were concieved where you really not you??



To be perfectly honest, I am only who I am now due to my upbringing and my lifestyle. "I" believe that until a fetus can think and react, that it is only living tissue. Let me ask you something...what is your first childhood memory?


Originally posted by peetrips

I have a friend who is a product of rape. He is one of the nicest most level headed people i know, Also we are not living in a third world country ...... so where are you drawing the line, would that just be whatever is convenient for the person, like Butterfly said"selfish"

Did I say that a "rape child" is an evil homicidal maniac? No. Take into consideration, that if A mother does not want a constant reminder of an extremely life altering and traumatic event, then I'm sure as hell that the child is bound for a life of torment and/or unlove. How fair tothe child is that? As well, if the mother has been raped, chances are, she is not prepared for a child. Is it fair to raise a child in a bad situation? Do you not think there are enough orphans in the world? Like Bob Barker says, "Help control the pet population..."

I hardly feel that someone is doing a selfish act, if indeed the child is born to grow and live under dire straits. More like a considerate act.

animal56
09-25-2002, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by butterfly

Did you know that a fetus can have a heartbeat as early as 5-6 weeks? That's makes it some sort of living creature beyond a mass of cells.



I'm sure I'm just going to start more debate, but I thought I would respond with a question, please don't be offended butterfly.

Is it cruel to keep a person with a heartbeat alive, even though they are practically brain dead? If they even recover, they will more than likely be doomed to a life as an unthinking gelatinous vegetable. Is that okay?

And not to sound like PETA, but cows have heartbeats. Is it some sort of living creature, or just a big bag of meat for the bodybuilders in this forum? ;)

irontime
09-26-2002, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by animal56

And not to sound like PETA, but cows have heartbeats. Is it some sort of living creature, or just a big bag of meat for the bodybuilders in this forum? ;)
mmmmmmmmm, burger :lick:

Muscle_Girl
09-26-2002, 03:39 PM
BjUaFyF:

Thank you so much for your support, you are one of the few that actually understand how it is for me at the moment. Your thoughts really were heart-felt, and I luv ya for saying it all.

As for an update.. I have a doctors appointment on Tuesday. We will see what happens with all that.

I was in to see the guidence counsellor today and we talked about alot of important things. She has 3 people coming in for me to speak with me about the choices I will have...Getting a job to support this baby...And becoming an independent mother (not saying that Brian wont be there for me, but I can't rely on him for everything.)

As for my choices, I think that I will actually go through the pregnancy if it turns out that I am pregnant. I am able to care for it more than I had thought, and I have alot of support from the people around me.

I will be sure to update you all about the doctors appointment and further on down the road. Thanks for all the support you all have contributed.. whether it was harsh love or soft caring I appreciate everything you ALL have said.

butterfly
09-26-2002, 04:15 PM
animal56 -

I don't want to debate the abortion issue with you. You will NEVER convince me that human life does not begin at conception.

Can't we just respect each others rights to believe what we want?

animal56
09-26-2002, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by butterfly
animal56 -

I don't want to debate the abortion issue with you. You will NEVER convince me that human life does not begin at conception.

Can't we just respect each others rights to believe what we want?

Okay. Let's leave it at that. :thumb:

Trap-isaurus
09-26-2002, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by Muscle_Girl
BjUaFyF:

Thank you so much for your support, you are one of the few that actually understand how it is for me at the moment. Your thoughts really were heart-felt, and I luv ya for saying it all.

As for an update.. I have a doctors appointment on Tuesday. We will see what happens with all that.

I was in to see the guidence counsellor today and we talked about alot of important things. She has 3 people coming in for me to speak with me about the choices I will have...Getting a job to support this baby...And becoming an independent mother (not saying that Brian wont be there for me, but I can't rely on him for everything.)

As for my choices, I think that I will actually go through the pregnancy if it turns out that I am pregnant. I am able to care for it more than I had thought, and I have alot of support from the people around me.

I will be sure to update you all about the doctors appointment and further on down the road. Thanks for all the support you all have contributed.. whether it was harsh love or soft caring I appreciate everything you ALL have said.


;) No problem, I have been where you are, on the other side though facing the possibility of bieng a dad and it's not a fun feeling unless you're ready for it, thankfully nothing happened and I grew up a little from the experience, hope it all turns out the best it can for you !!

ALBOB
10-02-2002, 10:39 AM
Since I've been out of touch for a few days, what's the verdict? Are you pregnant?

irontime
10-02-2002, 11:10 AM
Her appointment has been bumped.:headbang:

ALBOB
10-02-2002, 11:26 AM
Ahhh, thanks. :thumb:

BigAL
10-04-2002, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Muscle_Girl
Ok, me and the boy were gettin it on last night on the couch.. I was on top and he was almost ready to splat:splat: So.. I asked him not to make a mess on the couch and asked him if he needed a lil somethin to clean up. He said no it's ok, so I was like.. well why dun you just go inside me and I can push it out afterwards... he was like you sure? I was like yea.. it should be ok.

I know I shouldn't have done it, but I did. Was just wondering if this actually does work.. I did end up getting alot out afterwards, but am still a lil cautious on the matter. I am due up for my period over the next few weeks so I should know by then.. but its the worst thing to have on your mind.

Does squeezin it out work.. and are there actually chances of me NOT being pregnant at the moment?

A pebble inserted into the uterus worked in the days of the pyramids, to limit births. Today it is well known that a saline solution entering the uterus will cause the body to abort.

GYM GURU
11-03-2002, 01:47 PM
Squeezing won't get much out. Flushing & cleaning, in my opinion, would have done more help. I pray that your wishes come true & that you are not prego. Be smart next time, please. Always have your man strapped with a jimmy hat. Im many cases the saying comes true; "WHEN IT RAINS IT POURS".

ALBOB
11-04-2002, 12:17 PM
Sorry folks, I've been gone a while, what's the latest on this saga?

irontime
11-04-2002, 12:48 PM
I do believe she lucked out.

ALBOB
11-04-2002, 12:51 PM
Ah, good to hear. Scared the hell out of me thinking of an off-spring from you two. :barf:

irontime
11-04-2002, 01:03 PM
Ya no doubt. What would be more.......HEY! :yell: :mad:

ZECH
11-04-2002, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by butterfly
You will NEVER convince me that human life does not begin at conception.


I completely agree BF! My wife has lost several through miscarriage and tubal pregnancy. But I have complete faith that one day I will get to see "My Children" and I look very forward to that day!:D :heartpump

ALBOB
11-04-2002, 01:31 PM
DAMN dg, I wanna slam ya' but just can't bring myself to do it. :(

Good luck on the baby front. :thumb:

ZECH
11-04-2002, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by ALBOB
DAMN dg, I wanna slam ya' but just can't bring myself to do it. :(

Good luck on the baby front. :thumb:

Why is that ALBOB??? Actually to start with, the very first was a tubal. Then we had a miscarriage. Then we had Maddison. Then we had Matthew. Then we had another tubal. The last one did not have a heartbeat at about 6-7 weeks. These last two was last summer. I guess we have quit trying. Figured it was just meant to be. But you never know! But hell, I'm not getting any younger!!

ALBOB
11-04-2002, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by dg806
Why is that ALBOB???

Well I kind of figured that if you really wanted to have more but weren't able to it wouldn't be a good subject to make fun of.

I'll just say I hope to hell your kids got their looks from their mom.

ZECH
11-04-2002, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by ALBOB

I'll just say I hope to hell your kids got their looks from their mom.

:laugh: I think most people see both of us in Maddison and most say Matthew looks just like me!:confused: :cry:

ALBOB
11-04-2002, 01:52 PM
Have you started saving to pay for his plastic surgery or therapy yet?

The Berg Master
11-04-2002, 02:01 PM
This is probably the most insane thing I have ever heard (seriously)! I thought you had sexual education in the States? If you do, then the teachers seriously need to step up or the students need to pay more attention! I thought this was actually a joke at first. GEEZ :)

Anyway...nuff said. Good luck and please learn from your mistakes if not from sound advice (e.g. education).

ALBOB
11-04-2002, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by The Berg Master I thought you had sexual education in the States?

Muscle Girl's Canadian.

Dero
11-04-2002, 02:13 PM
And JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DAT????EH!!!OldBOB!:finger:
They do have sex education in school,butt if people SKIPP that class,what can you do?

:(

ALBOB
11-04-2002, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by Dero
And JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DAT????EH!!!OldBOB!:finger:

Don't mean a thing Derold, mearly wanted to set the record straight. Yes, our sex education is horrible but, we're not alone.

Muscle_Girl
11-05-2002, 04:05 PM
Yes! I am Canadian, And no I am not pregnant.. just a silly assumption. And we have taken extra precaution now so don't worry. :)

ALBOB
11-05-2002, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by Muscle_Girl don't worry. :)

Yeah right, you and Irontime bumping uglies and we're not supposed to worry? :eek:

Muscle_Girl
11-05-2002, 04:09 PM
Uglies?

ALBOB
11-05-2002, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Muscle_Girl
Uglies?

That's a fancy way of saying "Doing the Nasty".

irontime
11-05-2002, 04:23 PM
No, that's just what Alboob's women say when they're with him. Cause when they're with him they really are bumpin the ugly.:laugh:

Muscle_Girl
11-06-2002, 07:48 AM
LMAO, now that one is well worth an applause :clap: :clap:

irontime
11-06-2002, 09:34 AM
:D Thank you, thank you :bow: :bow:

ALBOB
11-06-2002, 10:12 AM
Yeah, yeah, at least I know HOW, unlike you two children. :rolleyes:

irontime
11-06-2002, 11:08 AM
How to bump the uglies?:confused: Well I'm sure you do buddy (not that I'd be bragging about it if I was you :rolleyes: ). But you just keep bringing in the ugly gorillas and sending the cute chicks over to me. It seems to be working out just fine so far.:D

ALBOB
11-06-2002, 11:58 AM
Hmmmm..................Seems you've been practicing while I've been gone. This round to you. :bow:

Do me a favor though, wear a damn condom next time. The thought of you and Muscle Girl pumping out a kid is just more than I can handle. :headbang:

irontime
11-06-2002, 03:18 PM
Do me a favor though, wear a damn condom next time. The thought of you and Muscle Girl pumping out a kid is just more than I can handle.
The fact that I'm in your mind pumping is bad enough, what kind of medicine did they give you? You sick freak.:no: Trust me, I'll do whatever it takes to get you to stop fantasizing about me, I don't want an Alboob stalker after my ass :scared:

ALBOB
11-07-2002, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by irontime I don't want an Alboob stalker after my ass :scared:

I'd be the best looking stalker you ever had. :rolleyes:

irontime
11-07-2002, 12:06 PM
psst pops, that was pretty lame :no:

ALBOB
11-07-2002, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by irontime
psst pops, that was pretty lame :no:

Yeah, I know. The problem is that the only other come-back I had involved thinking of Muscle Girl pumping and that's just sick. :finger:

(Yes MG, it's the age thing again. Get over it.)

irontime
11-07-2002, 12:18 PM
:haha: I think I'll wait till she comes in for this one, that comment always riles her up.:laugh:

ALBOB
11-07-2002, 12:19 PM
When am I gonna learn just to keep my damn mouth shut? :(

irontime
11-07-2002, 04:08 PM
Hopefully never, cause it's so damn funny when you open it:D

Dero
11-07-2002, 04:17 PM
For once I have to agree with IT!!!

Note this in the archives...

-November 07/02
dero and IT agreed on the same topic!!!
(had to be OldBob!!!!)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

bekahleigh23
12-03-2002, 08:55 PM
Abortion Techniques: Instillation Methods
Surgical
2nd and 3rd Trimesters
Partial-Birth Abortion
Abortionists sometimes refer to these or similar types of abortions using obscure, clinical-sounding euphemisms such as "Dilation and Extraction" (D&X), or "intact D&E" (IDE) which mask the realities of how the abortions are actually performed. [69]

This procedure is used to abort women who are 20 to 32 weeks pregnant -- or even later into pregnancy.* Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist reaches into the uterus, grabs the unborn baby’s leg with forceps, and pulls the baby into the birth canal, except for the head, which is deliberately kept just inside the womb. (At this point in a partial-birth abortion, the baby is alive.) Then the abortionist jams scissors into the back of the baby’s skull and spreads the tips of the scissors apart to enlarge the wound. After removing the scissors, a suction catheter is inserted into the skull and the baby’s brains are sucked out. The collapsed head is then removed from the uterus.[71]


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* Babies born at 23 weeks or more often survive. This procedure eliminates that possibility.[70]

bekahleigh23
12-03-2002, 08:56 PM
NEED I SAY ANYMORE!!!! SICK SICK SICK:cry: :barf:

bekahleigh23
12-03-2002, 08:57 PM
Abortion Techniques
Surgical
Second Trimester
Dilatation (Dilation) and Evacuation (D&E)
Used to abort unborn children as old as 24 weeks, this method is similar to the D&C. The difference is that forceps with sharp metal jaws are used to grasp parts of the developing baby, which are then twisted and torn away. This continues until the child’s entire body is removed from the womb. Because the baby’s skull has often hardened to bone by this time, the skull must sometimes be compressed or crushed to facilitate removal. If not carefully removed, sharp edges of the bones may cause cervical laceration. Bleeding from the procedure may be profuse. [50]

Dr. Warren Hern, a Boulder, Colorado abortionist who has performed a number of D&E abortions, says they can be particularly troubling to a clinic staff and worries that this may have an effect on the quality of care a woman receives. Hern also finds them traumatic for doctors too, saying "there is no possibility of denial of an act of destruction by the operator. It is before one's eyes. The sensation of dismemberment flow through the forceps like an electric current." [51]

irontime
12-04-2002, 09:17 AM
Well ya that's pretty nasty, but what is worse? Having a couple month old fetus being terminated or having a kid go through life with parents who are not even close to being ready to raise them hence the kid will have a whole life full of problems?

bekahleigh23
12-04-2002, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by irontime
Well ya that's pretty nasty, but what is worse? Having a couple month old baby being murdered or having a kid go through life with parents who are not even close to being ready to raise them hence the kid will have a whole life full of problems?

baby being murdered

ZECH
12-04-2002, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by bekahleigh23
Abortion Techniques: Instillation Methods
Surgical
2nd and 3rd Trimesters
Partial-Birth Abortion
Abortionists sometimes refer to these or similar types of abortions using obscure, clinical-sounding euphemisms such as "Dilation and Extraction" (D&X), or "intact D&E" (IDE) which mask the realities of how the abortions are actually performed. [69]

This procedure is used to abort women who are 20 to 32 weeks pregnant -- or even later into pregnancy.* Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist reaches into the uterus, grabs the unborn baby’s leg with forceps, and pulls the baby into the birth canal, except for the head, which is deliberately kept just inside the womb. (At this point in a partial-birth abortion, the baby is alive.) Then the abortionist jams scissors into the back of the baby’s skull and spreads the tips of the scissors apart to enlarge the wound. After removing the scissors, a suction catheter is inserted into the skull and the baby’s brains are sucked out. The collapsed head is then removed from the uterus.[71]



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* Babies born at 23 weeks or more often survive. This procedure eliminates that possibility.[70]

Wish I hadn't read this!!!:mad: :finger:

bekahleigh23
12-04-2002, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by dg806
Wish I hadn't read this!!!:mad: :finger:

pretty sick isn't it! I cried when I read it!

irontime
12-05-2002, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by bekahleigh23
baby being murdered
I know this is a touchy subject so I don't want to get into a debate about it, but I did NOT say baby. I think it would be a hell of a lot different if the baby was born and then terminated, I realize that this is my opinion and that you disagree, but a month old fetus does not have a personality or emotions yet. It is a group of cells growing to form a living being that has not been formed yet. Now please note that I am not for or against abortions, it is something that needs major consideration on both sides and I would much rather see a child be adopted then aborted.
I hope that doesn't stir shit up, but I felt the need to clarify that a bit.

TheStuff
12-21-2002, 10:59 PM
I know this is kind of an old topic but I just want to touch on it. Me and my girlfriend both had sex for the first time with each other and we kept doing it, first time with a condom, and then the rest without one because the condom was too tight and it was annoying. She kept wanting me to come inside her during intercourse but I wouldn't because I still don't want to take that chance. I even knew that pulling out isn't always 100% clean so I made her take the morning after pill until she got onto birth control and even when she was on birth control, I still pulled out because the thought of getting a girl pregnate is something I don't want to have to worry about. I have broken up with her since because I felt the relationship was too sexual. I am a very young kid and I know most of you older members are saying that kids shouldn't be having sex at this age and we don't know the meaning of love etc. I think other people should kind of think about what they are doing. Teenagers my age think they are so cool because they are having sex and they don't think of the consiquenses (sp) and those are the kids who are not mature enough to be having sexual intercourse. I just wanted to say that because after reading MG's post it just brought back memories of worrying about if she did take the morning after pill or if it was too late, etc. I now use a condom if I have sex, but I always am worried of getting a girl pregnate, everytime you have sex you take that risk along with others. Be responsible.

Also, too add onto the abortion subject, in school we had a discussion about this and our teacher brought in pictures of the babies. It is very sad to see what they do to them, they just cut the baby into smaller parts and then place them into labled little cups to make sure they've got out all of the parts of the baby or else it can infect the uterus. Sad thing.

P.S. I found this link, if you don't think abortion is bad, look at these pictures and tell me that abortion is alright.
***ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK, GRAPHIC PICTURES OF BABIES***
www.abortiontv.com/AbortionPictures1.htm

PulsatingArt
01-15-2003, 05:46 PM
So let me get this straight, you took that big chance so you wouldn't make a mess on the couch? Wouldn't a baby puking on the couch be a worse mess?

LiftHardGainBig
01-21-2003, 07:00 PM
I cant believe anyone is stupid enough to believe that you can "squeeze it out"... I've never even HEARD that one before... gheez... Anyways even after reading what bekahleigh23 posted, I'm still totally for abortions. If we did have abortions, we have even more fugged up people out there. just my 2 cents

ALBOB
01-24-2003, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by LiftHardGainBig
I cant believe anyone is stupid enough to believe that you can "squeeze it out"... I've never even HEARD that one before... gheez...

Take it easy there big guy, she's LESS than experienced. Remember back to some of the things you and your friends believed when you were just starting out, they seem pretty silly now, don't they? We're trying to help her out in a difficult time and your support would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :thumb:

LiftHardGainBig
01-24-2003, 03:25 PM
I understand your point, and i shouldn't have said what i said (about being stupid) but in reply to your question, no. Never once (when i was sexually active) did i believe anything even close to that. I never had sex untill I was educated on the subject. Had sex for first time at 17 and knew Damn well that you couldn't squeeze it out. I guess it is understandable that somone might believe that, but (as said many times earlier in the post) if uneducated on the subject, dont have sex.
On a second note, MG, I hope your making it through this difficult time. Keep us posted on how things are goin.

ZECH
01-24-2003, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by irontime
but a month old fetus does not have a personality or emotions yet. It is a group of cells growing to form a living being that has not been formed yet.
I can tell ya one thing IT...................When my wife was pregnant with our daughter, the ultrasound showed at 12 weeks a heartbeat. To me that is a living human being. And when I would talk to her, she would kick. Maybe this is something you won't understand till you go through it. When you do, I think you will change your mind!:D