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yzfrr11
03-13-2012, 05:30 PM
Due for routine labs tomorrow including serum HGH, IGF-1, total test on 200mg Bunited enanthate per week, and 5iu Thanktropin per day, and Synthroid, 100 mcg per day.

Anyone interested in the results? Should be available in 7 days. They will be posted in this thread if it is cleared with the mods here.

zacthemac
03-13-2012, 07:00 PM
very interested

exphys88
03-13-2012, 07:22 PM
hell yeah. I'm not sure if you visit OM, but they allow lab results posted and one guy tested all sorts of hgh using the serum method. Tons of others were found to be bunk or severely underdosed. The running protocol is to inject 10 iu. quite a few guys have done pharm grade for a baseline. Here is a rough comparison:

10 iu:
pharm-30's
rips- 30's
thanks and novos- 20's
IP yellows-10
eli's-teens I believe
gray tops-bunk so far, I'll be testing tomorrow.
hyge from IP-bunk

I'm permanently banned from PM for sharing my results.

I can vouch for this guy too. He's been a huge help to me many times, very valuable member.

Calves of Steel
03-13-2012, 10:09 PM
I'm quite interested in the results!

independent
03-14-2012, 06:59 AM
Im interested yzf. Youve posted some great info in the past too.

XYZ
03-14-2012, 07:18 AM
Due for routine labs tomorrow including serum HGH, IGF-1, total test on 200mg Bunited enanthate per week, and 5iu Thanktropin per day, and Synthroid, 100 mcg per day.

Anyone interested in the results? Should be available in 7 days. They will be posted in this thread if it is cleared with the mods here.


We encourage these types of posts.

slow-90lx
03-14-2012, 09:21 AM
hell yeah. I'm not sure if you visit OM, but they allow lab results posted and one guy tested all sorts of hgh using the serum method. Tons of others were found to be bunk or severely underdosed. The running protocol is to inject 10 iu. quite a few guys have done pharm grade for a baseline. Here is a rough comparison:

10 iu:
pharm-30's
rips- 30's
thanks and novos- 20's
IP yellows-10
eli's-teens I believe
gray tops-bunk so far, I'll be testing tomorrow.
hyge from IP-bunk

I'm permanently banned from PM for sharing my results.

I can vouch for this guy too. He's been a huge help to me many times, very valuable member.


So rips are good then? Seeing some results. Well among other things I am on... :winkfinger:

Do you have a link for the results?

SloppyJ
03-14-2012, 09:54 AM
Yes this is awesome. Nothing beats blood work.

Any word on the kigs ExPhys?

exphys88
03-14-2012, 11:17 AM
So rips are good then? Seeing some results. Well among other things I am on... :winkfinger:

Do you have a link for the results?

Go to OM in the hgh section, they made it a sticky.

exphys88
03-14-2012, 11:18 AM
Yes this is awesome. Nothing beats blood work.

Any word on the kigs ExPhys?

I can't remember honestly, try OM in the hgh section, some dude tested a ton of different brands.

SloppyJ
03-14-2012, 11:19 AM
Yeah they didn't have kigs in there. Maybe I;ll have to do it. How much is the gh test again?

exphys88
03-14-2012, 12:30 PM
Yeah they didn't have kigs in there. Maybe I;ll have to do it. How much is the gh test again?

Bout $50

suprfast
03-14-2012, 12:37 PM
I want to know. Would love to run this for 6-9 months.

juiceball44
03-14-2012, 01:09 PM
I want to know. Would love to run this forever

Fixed

suprfast
03-14-2012, 01:16 PM
Fixed

You know me so well. :kissu:

sar012977
03-14-2012, 01:46 PM
Rips??

... please dont blast me for asking this and i kno i have seen it but cant save my ass to remember it.. where did i see Rips

yzfrr11
03-14-2012, 04:01 PM
Wow, that's a lot of great info for sure. But I'm a little surprised a the high numbers because a review of the literature shows that 10 units given to an adult will give a serum GH level between 15-25 at 4 hours. I've seen some bro's posting results up to 50 after 10 iu's - that's really hard to believe!


hell yeah. I'm not sure if you visit OM, but they allow lab results posted and one guy tested all sorts of hgh using the serum method. Tons of others were found to be bunk or severely underdosed. The running protocol is to inject 10 iu. quite a few guys have done pharm grade for a baseline. Here is a rough comparison:

10 iu:
pharm-30's
rips- 30's
thanks and novos- 20's
IP yellows-10
eli's-teens I believe
gray tops-bunk so far, I'll be testing tomorrow.
hyge from IP-bunk

I'm permanently banned from PM for sharing my results.

I can vouch for this guy too. He's been a huge help to me many times, very valuable member.

yzfrr11
03-14-2012, 04:06 PM
At any rate, blood was drawn today 4 hours after administering 10 iu's of Thanks IM. My guess is that this stuff is good. We'll see.

snakeskinz
03-14-2012, 04:39 PM
was on olm and part of testing thread before they shut it down and turned it into a sticky....i had novos tested last week which were a different batch number than moe ....i can post up pics and results if you guys want ....should i start a new thread?

snake

yzfrr11
03-14-2012, 04:51 PM
was on olm and part of testing thread before they shut it down and turned it into a sticky....i had novos tested last week which were a different batch number than moe ....i can post up pics and results if you guys want ....should i start a new thread?

snake
Post it up here in this thread bro - I'm good with that. We can keep the Novos/Thanks data together.

exphys88
03-14-2012, 05:28 PM
At any rate, blood was drawn today 4 hours after administering 10 iu's of Thanks IM. My guess is that this stuff is good. We'll see.

I did gray tops today at 10 iu as well, but blood drawn was 3.5 hours.

heavyiron
03-14-2012, 05:32 PM
This is with 8 iu's HGH SubQ


Figure 1.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/figures/1472-6904-7-10-1-l.jpg (http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6904/7/10/figure/F1)

Mean hGH (± SD) serum concentration vs time profiles following subcutaneous administration of 2.92 mg rhGH/subject using either the cool.click™ 2 device or standard syringe with needle.
Brearley et al. BMC Clinical Pharmacology 2007 7:10 doi:10.1186/1472-6904-7-10
Download authors' original image (http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/download/figures/1472-6904-7-10-1.pdf)

snakeskinz
03-14-2012, 05:41 PM
here are results of test i did on novos ....tested out @ 19.4 which is pretty good .... also pic with batch number

Snake

exphys88
03-14-2012, 05:42 PM
here are results of test i did on novos ....tested out @ 19.4 which is pretty good .... also pic with batch number

Snake

pretty good, I'm happy I have some. the sides I was getting left me with no doubt that they were good.

snakeskinz
03-14-2012, 05:48 PM
pretty good, I'm happy I have some. the sides I was getting left me with no doubt that they were good.
hey bro ....i remember you from OLM and your nipper thread that they shut down .... great to see you here ....

Snake

exphys88
03-14-2012, 06:03 PM
hey bro ....i remember you from OLM and your nipper thread that they shut down .... great to see you here ....

Snake

Yeah, there's some shady shit with IP these days.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anything-goes/158273-promuscle-mods-threatened-get-heavy-ban-me-here-meso.html

snakeskinz
03-14-2012, 06:45 PM
Yeah, there's some shady shit with IP these days.

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anything-goes/158273-promuscle-mods-threatened-get-heavy-ban-me-here-meso.html


well i picked up some Ip hygetropin a few months back and had gh serum testing done on it here are the resuls ....way underdosed......
hope this doesnt get me kicked off here ?

snake

exphys88
03-14-2012, 07:14 PM
well i picked up some Ip hygetropin a few months back and had gh serum testing done on it here are the resuls ....way underdosed......
hope this doesnt get me kicked off here ?

snake

is that from 10 iu? The mods here treat the sponsors and members equally, which I respect.

snakeskinz
03-14-2012, 07:33 PM
is that from 10 iu? The mods here treat the sponsors and members equally, which I respect.


the hyge was 8 iu (one vial)..the novos 10iu (one vial)....both tests done sub-q .... am ......blood drawn 3 to 3-1/2 hours after injection

snake

dieseljimmy
03-14-2012, 07:47 PM
I did gray tops today at 10 iu as well, but blood drawn was 3.5 hours.

Please let us know the results of the gray test. Although I think I already know the result...

exphys88
03-14-2012, 07:52 PM
Please let us know the results of the gray test. Although I think I already know the result...
it'll be very public

fsoe
03-14-2012, 08:26 PM
it'll be very public


sounds like IP has taken a huge step back in the last few years

BP2000
03-14-2012, 08:34 PM
Amazing the lack of quality control some of these labs have. Good work fellas keep the results coming in. Labcorp is a great tool we have.

exphys88
03-14-2012, 08:55 PM
sounds like IP has taken a huge step back in the last few years

I think these issues aren't related to his gear though. There has been quite a few sponsors getting ripped off by Chinese suppliers. IMO.

exphys88
03-14-2012, 08:56 PM
Amazing the lack of quality control some of these labs have. Good work fellas keep the results coming in. Labcorp is a great tool we have.

Yep, this test has got sponsors scared.

trainhard357
03-14-2012, 09:05 PM
They should not be scared. They should be testing their own product first instead of having us do it for them. The days of selling bunk GH and then trying to say that it takes 6 months to see a difference are over.

heavyiron
03-14-2012, 09:13 PM
Good info, thanks guys.

gamma
03-14-2012, 10:37 PM
Great keep em coming !:clapping:

snakeskinz
03-15-2012, 10:48 AM
They should not be scared. They should be testing their own product first instead of having us do it for them. The days of selling bunk GH and then trying to say that it takes 6 months to see a difference are over.

this is exactly right

snake

daisygirl18
03-15-2012, 11:46 AM
good thread

SloppyJ
03-15-2012, 12:19 PM
Great shit in here. Maybe I'll have to pull the trigger and get the kigs tested to see what happens. I'm curious.

bb1129
03-15-2012, 12:35 PM
Great shit in here. Maybe I'll have to pull the trigger and get the kigs tested to see what happens. I'm curious.

I'm interested to see how the results come back on these kigs. Good stuff man.

SloppyJ
03-15-2012, 12:53 PM
Well just made the order online so I'll get them tested next week sometime. I'll post the results.

suprfast
03-15-2012, 12:58 PM
Well just made the order online so I'll get them tested next week sometime. I'll post the results.

Thanks for being our
http://www.2ndchance.info/guineapigcareA.jpg

yzfrr11
03-16-2012, 05:24 AM
Heavy, Labs are back. If you give me the go ahead I'll post 'em up.

Good info, thanks guys.

bb1129
03-16-2012, 05:39 AM
Post!

juiceball44
03-16-2012, 06:06 AM
Great shit in here. Maybe I'll have to pull the trigger and get the kigs tested to see what happens. I'm curious.

DO NOT ORDER KIGTROPIN! (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=409699.0)

Came across that on another board, same kigs?

exphys88
03-16-2012, 07:56 AM
Heavy, Labs are back. If you give me the go ahead I'll post 'em up.

xyz already gave you the go ahead.

exphys88
03-16-2012, 08:02 AM
I got mine too. 10 iu of IP gray tops gave me a less than .1 hgh level. Absolutely no hgh in them!

fsoe
03-16-2012, 08:10 AM
wow ... finding quality HGH is now like looking for a needle in a hay stack..... I hope these Novos I have are real

exphys88
03-16-2012, 08:16 AM
wow ... finding quality HGH is now like looking for a needle in a hay stack..... I hope these Novos I have are real

send me your batch number, I'll match them with mine. Mine are no doubt good.

snakeskinz
03-16-2012, 08:35 AM
I got mine too. 10 iu of IP gray tops gave me a less than .1 hgh level. Absolutely no hgh in them!


jeeez....makes you wonder what the hell it is that everyone using these is injecting in themselves?.....

china can copy and make some good cheap products but their quality control can always be an issue....remember the tainted pet food that killed so many peoples pets? ..... and the toys that are full of lead?..... and these things arent black market drugs!!! .... they were ligitamate products with quality oversite


think i will stick with novos and test them frequently....

snake

exphys88
03-16-2012, 08:51 AM
thanks bro. this test is proving to be more and more reliable. Nearly every guy who has tested thanks and novos are getting 19-20.

good cholesterol too!

yzfrr11
03-16-2012, 09:03 AM
http://i43.tinypic.com/k2jxj8.jpghttp://i42.tinypic.com/2cdh2tg.jpg

ScottyMac710
03-16-2012, 09:04 AM
Hm... posts edited out when results were to be posted? OP, care to PM me the results when you get a chance? Interested to see how they turned out

scratch that - Looks great man!

exphys88
03-16-2012, 09:05 AM
Hm... posts edited out when results were to be posted? OP, care to PM me the results when you get a chance? Interested to see how they turned out

scratch that - Looks great man!

we edited our posts ourselves.

snakeskinz
03-16-2012, 09:05 AM
dont think there is anyway these vendors dont know this shit is bunk.....when we pick up a few kits and in short order figure out its fake!!... ip and the rest are selling thousands of kits of this "filler"... wtf is it ? talcum powder? hcg? ....at this point doesnt seem as though ip is trustworty.... sucks getting burned but some of the greatest lessons in life are painfull ones those are the ones we learn from

snake

World-Pharma.org
03-16-2012, 12:51 PM
anybody ever try this jintropin from Ukraina, by gensci?

exphys88
03-16-2012, 12:53 PM
anybody ever try this jintropin from Ukraina, by gensci?

I have seen some posts that jins were bunk too, but I don't know the source.

exphys88
03-16-2012, 12:57 PM
anybody ever try this jintropin from Ukraina, by gensci?
I don't know if these are the same, but these jins were bunk.

Here is the link:

OutlawMuscle Forum (http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121497&page=9)

suprfast
03-16-2012, 01:14 PM
You are straight up mythbusters on this. Thanks.

BigBadBen
03-16-2012, 01:21 PM
I did bloodwork on Royaltropins that turned out to be bunk.

GH serum was 0.05 and IGF was 96

World-Pharma.org
03-16-2012, 01:24 PM
Jintropin with code?

World-Pharma.org
03-16-2012, 01:26 PM
that one.

exphys88
03-16-2012, 01:44 PM
Jintropin with code?

I have no idea. He did refer to them as generic jins.

suprfast
03-16-2012, 01:49 PM
Have you complied a list of known GOOD GH?

exphys88
03-16-2012, 02:00 PM
Have you complied a list of known GOOD GH?

rips seem to be the best, they're basically scoring as well as pharma-in the 30's.

Uncle Z's are scoring in the 20's

thanks and novos, low 20's consistently.

heavyiron
03-16-2012, 02:07 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/k2jxj8.jpghttp://i42.tinypic.com/2cdh2tg.jpg


Thank you brother

slow-90lx
03-16-2012, 02:24 PM
rips seem to be the best, they're basically scoring as well as pharma-in the 30's.

Uncle Z's are scoring in the 20's

thanks and novos, low 20's consistently.


Ive used rips. If I go 5iu, I get carpal tunnel. I am now trying the 8iu split dose eod routine. All sides seem legit with reported hgh and none of the bs sides of insulin. I thought maybe underdosed, but I have no clue as this is my first time using. I am happy with the results I am seeing.

exphys88
03-16-2012, 02:25 PM
Ive used rips. If I go 5iu, I get carpal tunnel. I am now trying the 8iu split dose eod routine. All sides seem legit with reported hgh and none of the bs sides of insulin. I thought maybe underdosed, but I have no clue as this is my first time using. I am happy with the results I am seeing.

just be careful, those are powerful. the sides took a couple months to hit me, but when they did, it was awful.

slow-90lx
03-16-2012, 02:28 PM
just be careful, those are powerful. the sides took a couple months to hit me, but when they did, it was awful.


Other than wanting to sleep all day, its been good. Water bloat initially then went away. What sides did you get? Im about 430 ius in right now. Took a month off then hopped back on.

What is cool about yzf's test is his levels are almost spot on with the other tests on OM.

At least we have a few known sources with currently legit hgh and $50 test to back it up... Def a good feeling to at least know its not all bunk crap :winkfinger:

exphys88
03-16-2012, 02:31 PM
Other than wanting to sleep all day, its been good. Water bloat initially then went away. What sides did you get? Im about 430 ius in right now. Took a month off then hopped back on.

What is cool about yzf's test is his levels are almost spot on with the other tests on OM.

At least we have a few known sources with currently legit hgh and $50 test to back it up... Def a good feeling to at least know its not all bunk crap :winkfinger:

yeah, I'm amazed how close all of these tests are to each other. No sponsor can argue that it isn't a reliable method.

as for sides. I got really bad cts, and edema. I couldn't make a fist, and some of my shoes wouldn't fit. it severely affected my training, particularly my cardio.

SloppyJ
03-16-2012, 02:47 PM
The Rips I have fuck my shit up hardcore. They are strong as hell!

BigBadBen
03-16-2012, 03:17 PM
Royaltropin Lab Report = Bunk

Deleted my last pics cos u could see my info.....

Cheers,

Ben

NcTo
03-16-2012, 04:58 PM
These kinds of threads are absolutely invaluable both to the community, and to legit sponsors.

Getting rips and legit sero's soon. Might be able to test depending on my financial situation. Will only be 5 ius though.

dollarbill
03-16-2012, 06:10 PM
here are results of test i did on novos ....tested out @ 19.4 which is pretty good .... also pic with batch number

Snake

currently on same batch at 4iu's a day and loving them:ohyeah:

heavyiron
03-16-2012, 06:17 PM
yeah, I'm amazed how close all of these tests are to each other. No sponsor can argue that it isn't a reliable method.

as for sides. I got really bad cts, and edema. I couldn't make a fist, and some of my shoes wouldn't fit. it severely affected my training, particularly my cardio.
Yeah, that's interesting for sure. Especially since they would have to get the draw pretty close to the same time frame after the inject.

exphys88
03-16-2012, 06:24 PM
currently on same batch at 4iu's a day and loving them:ohyeah:

my batch is different, but I have no doubt mine are good too. maybe I'll have to drive another 6 hours to test mine. damn!

heavyiron
03-16-2012, 06:48 PM
My fingers tell me mine are good as well.

exphys88
03-16-2012, 06:51 PM
My fingers tell me mine are good as well.

With all the bad hgh going around, I'm trying to stay objective, but my edema got so bad that I couldn't make a fist or put on some of my shoes; there was no way it was placebo effect. the cts was awful too, it scared me into dropping the hgh all together for 3 weeks.

heavyiron
03-16-2012, 07:10 PM
With all the bad hgh going around, I'm trying to stay objective, but my edema got so bad that I couldn't make a fist or put on some of my shoes; there was no way it was placebo effect. the cts was awful too, it scared me into dropping the hgh all together for 3 weeks.
Yup, the more you experience real GH the more obvious if its real. Get worried if your hands feel normal at 5iu or above.

Calves of Steel
03-16-2012, 07:46 PM
Thanks for getting both serum GH and IGF tested. GH is very high, however IGF is only slightly out of range, indicating that people definitely should not be looking at IGF only to determine the quality of their GH!

By the way..you're looking healthy like a boss! I haven't had HDL like that since I started gear.

exphys88
03-16-2012, 08:02 PM
Thanks for getting both serum GH and IGF tested. GH is very high, however IGF is only slightly out of range, indicating that people definitely should not be looking at IGF only to determine the quality of their GH!

By the way..you're looking healthy like a boss! I haven't had HDL like that since I started gear.

I thought the same thing. Amazing bloodwork. He really knows his shit too, and plays this game very safe and intelligently. Much respect to yzfrr.

yzfrr11
03-17-2012, 05:58 AM
Thanks for getting both serum GH and IGF tested. GH is very high, however IGF is only slightly out of range, indicating that people definitely should not be looking at IGF only to determine the quality of their GH!

By the way..you're looking healthy like a boss! I haven't had HDL like that since I started gear.


I thought the same thing. Amazing bloodwork. He really knows his shit too, and plays this game very safe and intelligently. Much respect to yzfrr.
Thanks for the kind words my brothers.

Grozny
03-17-2012, 06:04 AM
Royaltropin Lab Report = Bunk

Deleted my last pics cos u could see my info.....

Cheers,

Ben

I used before royaltropin this GH is g2g.:winkfinger:

snakeskinz
03-17-2012, 08:28 AM
currently on same batch at 4iu's a day and loving them:ohyeah:


same here bill..... the cts at night is at times a bit extreme but im coping with it ... these are good GH

snake

Thresh
03-17-2012, 07:20 PM
Thank you brother

HDL at 60? Heathy as a fucking ox!


5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

SloppyJ
03-17-2012, 08:48 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else only get the cts symptoms in one hand/arm prominently?

heavyiron
03-17-2012, 09:02 PM
Both hands for me. I get mild swelling that makes it feel a little tight when I make a fist.

exphys88
03-17-2012, 10:08 PM
Mine is equally in both hands too

Calves of Steel
03-17-2012, 10:40 PM
My hands look like a baby's LOL. People point it out a lot of the time after shaking me hand, and today a friend just looked at my hand hanging at my side and was like holy shit your hands look like they're gonna explode. It's not as bad if I don't carb up.

exphys88
03-17-2012, 10:42 PM
My hands look like a baby's LOL. People point it out a lot of the time after shaking me hand, and today a friend just looked at my hand hanging at my side and was like holy shit your hands look like they're gonna explode. It's not as bad if I don't carb up.
lol @ baby hands.
Mine got bad too, it freaked me out at first, now I know it's just something to deal with.

heavyiron
03-18-2012, 06:48 AM
I schedule off GH every Sunday to reduce the swelling a bit.

yzfrr11
03-18-2012, 07:44 AM
Interestingly, I've never had CTS symptoms. I typically run 5 iu's a day. I do get a fair amount of ankle edema though.

yzfrr11
03-18-2012, 07:48 AM
It's not as bad if I don't carb up.

Interesting that you say that, bro. I typically run a very low carb diet. The only time I use carbs is immediately before and during training. Maybe that's a reason that I've not had any CTS problems?

exphys88
03-18-2012, 07:49 AM
Interestingly, I've never had CTS symptoms. I typically run 5 iu's a day. I do get a fair amount of ankle edema though.

you're lucky. my cts really effects my training because i lose grip strength and hands go numb when holding db's. For mountaineering, this is a bad thing, I have to carry an ice axe for 12 hours sometimes. If you fall on a steep icy slope, your grip is all you have to save you from falling off a 1,000 ft cliff.

yzfrr11
03-18-2012, 10:07 AM
If you fall on a steep icy slope, your grip is all you have to save you from falling off a 1,000 ft cliff.

Yikes!

Thresh
03-18-2012, 10:51 AM
you're lucky. my cts really effects my training because i lose grip strength and hands go numb when holding db's. For mountaineering, this is a bad thing, I have to carry an ice axe for 12 hours sometimes. If you fall on a steep icy slope, your grip is all you have to save you from falling off a 1,000 ft cliff.

Why I always climbed in warm weather :)


5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

exphys88
03-18-2012, 11:00 AM
Why I always climbed in warm weather :)


5"10
195lbs

Currently cycle:
Cruising on 250mg Test Cyp/week.

The mountains I climb have snow/ice all year and couldn't be climbed without it.

BP2000
03-18-2012, 11:19 AM
Ex if you could when you get time could you list the benefit's and sides of HGH along with the dosing and time frame?

exphys88
03-18-2012, 11:42 AM
Ex if you could when you get time could you list the benefit's and sides of HGH along with the dosing and time frame?

This guys is way more qualified to do that. Here's a great article:

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/unclez/147565-human-growth-hormone-practical-application.html

hongthaomurphy
03-18-2012, 11:49 AM
Well just made the order online so I'll get them tested next week sometime. I'll post the results.

good deal thanks cuz ive been looking for feedback on these from a sponsor but havent seen anything yet

squigader
03-18-2012, 07:19 PM
here are results of test i did on novos ....tested out @ 19.4 which is pretty good .... also pic with batch number

Snake

Great to see these results! Thanks for posting.

BP2000
03-18-2012, 08:04 PM
Thanks for getting both serum GH and IGF tested. GH is very high, however IGF is only slightly out of range, indicating that people definitely should not be looking at IGF only to determine the quality of their GH!

By the way..you're looking healthy like a boss! I haven't had HDL like that since I started gear.


why wouldn't his IGF-1 level be higher than it was? Mine is higher than that naturally. Just curious.

Hell
03-19-2012, 09:44 AM
Good info guys!!

yzfrr11
04-03-2012, 04:26 PM
why wouldn't his IGF-1 level be higher than it was? Mine is higher than that naturally. Just curious.

I do quite a bit of cardio. Cardio strongly suppresses IGF-1 level. Some speculate that is one mechanism by which cardio prevents atherosclerosis and other diseases.

yzfrr11
04-03-2012, 04:39 PM
Mine is higher than that naturally.

That would be a high level to have naty. Don't forget that gear raises IGF-1

XYZ
04-05-2012, 10:13 AM
Is it just me or does anyone else only get the cts symptoms in one hand/arm prominently?

None, even at 15ius+.

I retain a lot of fluid and I can tell when I can't put my wedding band on.