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gypctravlr
05-04-2012, 09:43 PM
Since I can get a lot of stuff over the counter here in Nepal (of from India), I need to know what the best T is for therapy. Unable to recall Dr's name so I can't call him to find out what he was using. I just assumed that it was Sus 250. But from what I read I doubt it very much as he was injecting every two weeks.

E or C?
Or the box carol is holding? (price is right tv show).

Thanks!!

Mkpaint
05-05-2012, 04:59 AM
e or c are very similiar e is usally a little stronger dosed. both are most common for trt. im using test e myself

juggernaut
05-05-2012, 05:10 AM
I believe sustanon is a good compound, as it gives both long and short term esters. I may be wrong.

s2h
05-05-2012, 07:40 AM
Sust is very solid....2 injections ew like monday/thursday.....keeps levels very stable...

JUSTRIGHT
05-05-2012, 08:12 AM
I am trt , and I prefer test c when cruising

rocker44
05-05-2012, 09:52 AM
i thinks the short and long esters in sust would not be ideal for trt. thats why the majority of docs and clinics perscribe eather test c or e. i personaly use test c but to each his own.

as far as injections go tiwce a week is best to keep levels steady.
if you inject every 2 weeks you will feel like shit the last week or so, atleast i did any ways

juggernaut
05-05-2012, 11:02 AM
as far as injections go tiwce a week is best to keep levels steady.
if you inject every 2 weeks you will feel like shit the last week or so, atleast i did any ways

^ This.
As I said before, I have heard that sust is a good compound for TRT, but I havent done TRT. Best to go with someone who knows.

BP2000
05-05-2012, 02:41 PM
i thinks the short and long esters in sust would not be ideal for trt. thats why the majority of docs and clinics perscribe eather test c or e. i personaly use test c but to each his own.

as far as injections go tiwce a week is best to keep levels steady.
if you inject every 2 weeks you will feel like shit the last week or so, atleast i did any ways


Sust would be fine if he is injecting 2x per week. Most doc's use test c or e on 1x per week protocols for the convenience factor.

Digitalash
05-05-2012, 03:22 PM
if you can pin 2x a week with insulin pins that would be ideal, pick one ester either enan or cyp. 1x a week works as well but not as stable, something like undecanoate could be injected less frequently but I don't know the dosing exactly

hoyle21
05-05-2012, 03:30 PM
I pin 200mgs once a week of Watson test cyp. I'm going to try 100mgs twice a week soon to see if there is a difference. Honestly,my test level was 172, so even this is worlds better than I was feeling.

rocker44
05-05-2012, 03:31 PM
Sust would be fine if he is injecting 2x per week. Most doc's use test c or e on 1x per week protocols for the convenience factor.
dont know much about sust. i know it has prop in it, witch is injected ed or eod so i assumed sust had to be injected atleast eod to mainteain test levels. my bad

rocker44
05-05-2012, 03:39 PM
I pin 200mgs once a week of Watson test cyp. I'm going to try 100mgs twice a week soon to see if there is a difference. Honestly,my test level was 172, so even this is worlds better than I was feeling.

how do you feel on like the 5th or 6th day after you pin? i start feeling like crap around there so twice a week works alot better for me. every one is diff though

hoyle21
05-05-2012, 03:41 PM
It hasn't been something I have noticed. I feel pretty consistent, but I pin on Sunday so maybe I'm not noticing the drop off because it would fall on Friday and Saturday.

turtle10000
05-06-2012, 09:52 PM
Sustanon's longest ester is 21 days being deconate, it's not a practical choice really, single longer esters such as test-c and e are the prefered method and really every 3rd day injections at 50mg is a TRT dose, you can play with this once you get your bloods and levels are stable, you may need more or less, remember when you are talking about TRT doses, you need to be realistic as the body generally produces 7mg per day naturally, if you do say 150-200mg per week in can be detrimental to you in the long run and you are goinf to have to be dialed in to what's happening with your estrogen, just saying, as for test-c or e, they are essentialy the same thing one has a longer ester than the other and e is said to be slightly stronger in some circles but to tell the truth I have not bothered in to looking into that. Athough you may hold slighlty less water with test-e.
cheers mate.

s2h
05-08-2012, 05:27 AM
i'm on trt scripted(watson cyp) at 200mg ew..i pin a 1/4 cc eod with a sin pin and find i feel the best stability with this..i have used sust also with this method a find it to be very similiar..the sust seems to give a lil more kick due to the short esters in it...it can also depend on the sust brand...some have more or less of the diff esters in them..so results could vary..

joboco
05-08-2012, 02:35 PM
i'm on trt scripted(watson cyp) at 200mg ew..i pin a 1/4 cc eod with a sin pin and find i feel the best stability with this..i have used sust also with this method a find it to be very similiar..the sust seems to give a lil more kick due to the short esters in it...it can also depend on the sust brand...some have more or less of the diff esters in them..so results could vary..


Sounds good, but how do you do that when all you can get on script is 1ml ampules?

SloppyJ
05-08-2012, 03:37 PM
Script comes in vials. But if it was in amps you could get a vial and transfer it or just pre-load some pins.

lgm1942
06-10-2012, 07:09 PM
Best results I have had is every Thursday, that give me a good strong weekend and I seem to stay well for 7 days.
Larry Mandrell

BFHammer
06-10-2012, 07:44 PM
Test C actually becomes stronger, I forget why exactly that is. I think Heavy had a posting on it. I think it lasts longer and has more overlap time. I'm doing smaller doses eod with slin pin along with b12. Still working on the VA stepping it up from 100/w to the max allowed of 400 as my free test is .7 test is only 3-400 on the 100.

smithf3
06-10-2012, 09:17 PM
hey bro check out this article. it talks about Test Undecanoate:

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/articles/chemical-enhancement/1491-testosterone-undecanoatethe-marathon-man-of-testosterone-esters.pdf

littlekev
06-10-2012, 09:23 PM
hey bro check out this article. it talks about Test Undecanoate:

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/articles/chemical-enhancement/1491-testosterone-undecanoatethe-marathon-man-of-testosterone-esters.pdf

Yup this is what i say, and pin much less

brundel
06-10-2012, 11:11 PM
I like cyp

keith1569
06-11-2012, 10:10 AM
Enth or cyp work well

s2h
07-16-2012, 05:45 AM
Sounds good, but how do you do that when all you can get on script is 1ml ampules?

Any sust used would not be scripted...the watson comes in 10ml vials..to get 10ml vials you need to be scripted at least 200mg ew for 10 wks...if not you will get.the 1 ml vial..which are normally sandoz brand..

s2h
07-16-2012, 05:47 AM
Test C actually becomes stronger, I forget why exactly that is. I think Heavy had a posting on it. I think it lasts longer and has more overlap time. I'm doing smaller doses eod with slin pin along with b12. Still working on the VA stepping it up from 100/w to the max allowed of 400 as my free test is .7 test is only 3-400 on the 100.
Actually test e is a little longer due to having 1 more ester then cyp...but its a pretty min diff...

Researcher
07-16-2012, 10:04 PM
I've been on TRT for over 10yrs... I've tried all esters of Test. I much prefer Sust types... With Test E and C I would take weekly shots of 150-200mg and I would always feel like I needed to take my shots before the 7th day... With Sust types I feel great everyday of the week...horny everyday, great energy and mood...With Sust types I can miss my dose for a few days and still feel great. I don't know why Dr's prescribe Test C and E but I will say most Dr's don't have a clue as most will start you on 100mg every 2 weeks which will give you low test level and a rollercoster ride... With Sust types, I get a spike with the fast esters with each shot which keeps me feeling great.

lgm1942
07-26-2012, 07:07 PM
Best results I have had is every Thursday, that give me a good strong weekend and I seem to stay well for 7 days.
Larry Mandrell

Sorry I didnt give enought info. I am a male age 70 my Test was almost 0, went on injections 200 every other week, didnt feel that good the
second week, asked the dr. about going to 100 each week, it worked fine I dont seem to have any bad days can work out in the heat here in
Texas like a 40 yr old. Have the sexual desire back but dont get a real woodie without adding Celias tried a larger doce of T and all I got was
pimples on my back. Hope this helps someone.
Larry Mandrell

gypctravlr
08-20-2012, 04:39 AM
how much sus do you pin and how often?
My blood test showed about 3700. I want it to be at around 1000.
do you do est blockers? What's good?

thanks

iSteroids
08-21-2012, 08:23 AM
Some people might disagree with me but I prefer Testosterone Cypionate (http://www.isteroids.com/steroids/testosterone-cypionate.html) for TRT use.

http://www.isteroids.com/

bulldogz
08-21-2012, 08:53 AM
Actually test e is a little longer due to having 1 more ester then cyp...but its a pretty min diff...

You might want to re-check the half life of test e and c

I like cyp myself :thumb:

lgm1942
08-21-2012, 09:59 AM
Best results I have had is every Thursday, that give me a good strong weekend and I seem to stay well for 7 days.
Larry Mandrell

I have been taking Testosterone Cypionate USP made for Paddock Labs, Minnesota.
originally 200 every two weeks, noticed the crappy feeling last week before injection.
changed to 100 every Thursday for 6 months but also noticed about two days of not feeling normal before injection time.
Recently I am injecting 50 on Monday and again Friday feel consistently better.
At my age I don't get a chance to have intercourse often and never wake up with a Woodie, (was 70 in April)
however with a constriction ring I can obtain a good erection and if I read good porn I can
organism every day, I just don't get a spontaneous erection, and the volume of ejaculate is small, my last test reading was just under 300
I think it was 275, most of the time I feel very good, my mind stays clear and body functions well.
What can I do about the acne, I shower at least once a day but back and chest in Oliy spots stays broke out.
Someone mention using insulin needles what size and how deep? I am now using a size 3, 25, 1"
Thanks to all who share info for those of us who don't understand all the acronyms I am trying to learn.
Stay Strong, Body, Mind, Spirit
Larry Mandrell

lgm1942
08-21-2012, 10:04 AM
how much sus do you pin and how often?
My blood test showed about 3700. I want it to be at around 1000.
do you do est blockers? What's good?

thanks

Sorry I just saw your question, I replied somewhear on here but am not good on a computer, I would like to answer your question in more depth,
mandrell_larry@yahoo.com or lgm1942@gmail.com
Larry

gypctravlr
08-23-2012, 06:43 AM
You might want to re-check the half life of test e and c

I like cyp myself :thumb:

how often and how much are you doing?
how do you feel?
Are you long term or just for cycles? I am looking in terms of "the rest of my life", so-to-speak.
I can buy Decca over the counter here in India. Do you know if adding a very small amount to my program would be beneficial for health/anti-aging?
Jeff

MDAutry
08-31-2012, 08:41 PM
I don't know why Dr's prescribe Test C and E but I will say most Dr's don't have a clue as most will start you on 100mg every 2 weeks which will give you low test level and a rollercoster ride...

I dont know if they are as clueless as I think they are or just scared by the the steroid fear mongering and don't want to lose their license. Either way, it is a battle to get appropriate care...