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azza1971
08-26-2012, 04:49 PM
The day has almost finally come around. I have waited a few months to get in to a reputable Endo to get all hormones checked, thyroid, Test levels etc. Hoping for a good outcome, seem to be going backwards, the more i train the more i lose.

TrojanMan60563
08-26-2012, 07:45 PM
My advice is discuss where your test levels are, and where they should be based on your age...not the "normal range". My endo says he'd like to see my levels around 300...that is the lowest end of normal. I'm about to have the same talk with my endo because levels go down as we age. So I can't buy that 300 is a normal level for a 32 year old man. I've read a lot only that 600-700 is a good range for this age. I've read about people in their 40's that are naturally in 500-600 range. So just some advice make sure you discuss where you are, and where you and your doctor would like to see things. So before you spend a lot of money and time with a doctor make sure you are both on the same page.

azza1971
08-27-2012, 04:51 AM
thanks man

azza1971
08-28-2012, 04:28 PM
my last blood tests put me at 13.1, i have had tests within he range of 8.0 to 11.8 and one was 7.8. They only seem to care about getting you up for the time being and not placing you on a constant stream of TRT. Low T affects so much of your life and your general well being, let alone not being in the anabolic zone, over the years i have made dietary changes, been on Vit D, been on different diets, paleo type diet, low carb, no carb, no dairy, no wheat, big carb diets, carb cycling etc. And the results just don?t come, this appointment is important and hopefully i will have a sympathetic ear and someone that understands. This is the last throw of the dice to get on a TRT or HRT program legally. If this don?t work, i will buy and administer my own.

azza1971
08-30-2012, 02:58 AM
ok so my endo gave me a script and a booster in 6 weeks. Reandron 1000 which is testosterone undecanoate and a repeat for 6 weeks time. Will see how this goes.

malfeasance
08-30-2012, 06:16 AM
ok so my endo gave me a script and a booster in 6 weeks. Reandron 1000 which is testosterone undecanoate and a repeat for 6 weeks time. Will see how this goes.

Wow - every six weeks? I realize it is a long ester, but that seems like a long time. How much every six weeks?

azza1971
08-30-2012, 09:14 PM
1 gram of test every 6 weeks, cant complain about that, its for TRT, not to be the next Kai Greene where rooting grapefruits is a side effect...

_LG_
08-31-2012, 05:13 AM
Now instead of low testosterone you will have high/low/high/low testosterone.

azza1971
08-31-2012, 04:25 PM
at least i dont have an estrogen problem like you and lactate...

chucky1
08-31-2012, 06:53 PM
bro break it up thats just dumb do like 175mg ew or what ever it works out to be i suck a math

chucky1
08-31-2012, 06:59 PM
166.5mg ew :D

azza1971
09-01-2012, 02:49 AM
why, its a single dose 250 per ml test, not allowed, the ampule is 4 ml?.maths aside, its better than nothing, maybe next time i see him i will fudge something, like mood swings to get a more regular lower dose?.

azza1971
09-01-2012, 02:59 AM
i dont think some knob jobs realise what i am taking, it is testosterone undercanoate, it is a very long ester, and only requires one shot every 6 weeks for, then one shot every 12 weeks. Thats why its 1000mg per 4 ml. Its not suitable for shortening up, Sus250 is or was sold out in Aus last time my buddy checked. Or you would do the Equivalent in Sus250 and get the short and long esters. Remember i want my levels as close to normal as possible.

ctr10
09-01-2012, 03:58 AM
It's not longer than cyp

theCaptn'
09-01-2012, 06:06 AM
It's not longer than cyp

It's not?

ctr10
09-01-2012, 08:30 AM
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azza1971
09-01-2012, 05:36 PM
it is the longest ester and this is why it is given at 6 week intervals?.

azza1971
09-01-2012, 05:45 PM
this is what i am talking about, even deca is longer than cyp. 47216

dont rely on BRO science like the rest, get your info from the correct reference and make sure its up to date, latest German studies, this is the best form of TRT, one or divided 2 shot at first visit, then 6 weeks later another shot or divided shot, then another at 12 weeks. This for one keeps cost?s down. Its long standing and the sides are minimal.

_LG_
09-01-2012, 09:06 PM
Jesus Azza. Just split it up.

theCaptn'
09-01-2012, 09:55 PM
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Idk man, check the ester table. Decanoate found in SUstanon is longer, undecanoate is longer still. I had some UGL test undec 300, you could cruise on 2mls E2W

azza1971
09-01-2012, 11:38 PM
Jesus Azza. Just split it up.

what do you mean split it up? i would need a different product and dosing protocol.

ctr10
09-02-2012, 03:48 PM
Idk man, check the ester table. Decanoate found in SUstanon is longer, undecanoate is longer still. I had some UGL test undec 300, you could cruise on 2mls E2WI don't know Capt'n, maybe heavy could help us with that one

ctr10
09-02-2012, 03:53 PM
Capt undeconate is the longest but its only found in sustanon, for individual test it's like this:

suspension - (no ester)
propionate
heptylate
enanthate
cypionate

_LG_
09-02-2012, 04:23 PM
Undecanoate half life is 16.5 days.
Azza, instead of pinning once every six weeks just pin one sixth of that dose every week.

azza1971
09-02-2012, 08:32 PM
Undecanoate half life is 16.5 days.
Azza, instead of pinning once every six weeks just pin one sixth of that dose every week.

not really doable, only change i will make next time is to divide the dose into 2 shots, one in each glute, 2ml?..i am under the care of an endo, i'd rather see where it leads and he can make adjustments. I would rather do a SUS250 once per week.

_LG_
09-03-2012, 11:01 AM
Sus250 once a week would be a shit choice as well. Do as you please, obviously your endo is as clueless as you are?

azza1971
09-03-2012, 11:41 PM
Sus250 once a week would be a shit choice as well. Do as you please, obviously your endo is as clueless as you are?

fuck up cocksucker, my endo has not recommended SUS250, so let us know all your dosing protocol for TRT having not even met the patient or have bloods on hand to check, i am fuckin sick to death of your BRO SCIENCE, fuck back off to oompa loompa land and eat a black dick.

cube789
09-04-2012, 01:58 AM
Reandron 1000 (http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/reandron-1000-a-134272869.html)

TrojanMan60563
09-04-2012, 05:36 AM
azza1971- In my own experiences you are going to feel great then crash....feel great then crash... injections should be spaced out to around the half life of the test you use. By the time you get your next injection the drug is totally gone and your test levels will be on the floor. The doctor is probably going to want to test you after the second injection...so you wont find out this until you've been on it for like 12 weeks! I suppose you dont have a choice but I think you will find I am right. Good luck

cube789
09-04-2012, 06:01 AM
just buy your own gear azza ffs

vicious 13
11-28-2012, 08:35 PM
What was the outcome?

azza1971
03-25-2013, 10:40 PM
My endo rang me this morning, my results were Test at 7.4, my ultrasound of my testes was fine. He said my red blood count was high, started asking about sleep apnea and whether i had had a sleep test done. I haven?t, i don?t snore or appear to have problems apart from pins and needles and arm goes to sleep. I never wake up rested. He wont give and TRT for now because of the red blood count. He wants me to have a MRI of the pituitary and a sleep test done. More money, more time.
I dont know what role test would have on red blood cell count.

azza1971
04-01-2013, 10:57 PM
Had my MRI today, first one, the experience was a new one for me. Now wait for the results, have another round of bloods and a sleep test to do.

cornertech
04-02-2013, 09:52 AM
My advice is discuss where your test levels are, and where they should be based on your age...not the "normal range". My endo says he'd like to see my levels around 300...that is the lowest end of normal. I'm about to have the same talk with my endo because levels go down as we age. So I can't buy that 300 is a normal level for a 32 year old man. I've read a lot only that 600-700 is a good range for this age. I've read about people in their 40's that are naturally in 500-600 range. So just some advice make sure you discuss where you are, and where you and your doctor would like to see things. So before you spend a lot of money and time with a doctor make sure you are both on the same page.

In addition. perhaps seek the advice of a qualified vitality physician...