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flagsup
10-11-2012, 08:14 PM
I am 45 yrs. old, been doing prohormones for quite a years. just had all my levels checked and all were good except my testosterone was at 242 so Dr started me on TRT. He would only perscribe Axiron transdermal at 60mg/day. I talked to him about it increasing my estrogen and he knew nothing on this subject. Has anyone ever used Axiron and should I be concerned about estrogen levels raising? Any info you guys can provide would be great appreciated...

independent
10-12-2012, 11:27 AM
Any type of testosterone administration can cause an increase in estrogen via aromatization. You will just need to to some lab work maybe 4-6 weeks after being on to see if its a problem.

S_walker
10-12-2012, 11:54 AM
My Dr put me on 250mg cyp a week. I asked about an AI and he said it wasn't necessary. He not aware of the other 1000mg a week I take lol. Get bloodwork done in 5 weeks, be specific about what you want checked and find the sticky on here about getting labs without a Dr. You might also ask the Dr about switching you to injections.
Edit: next time you see him have plenty of medical paperwork supporting what you think would be best for you. Most general physicians have no clue as what's best when it comes to TRT.


Good luck

SloppyJ
10-12-2012, 02:44 PM
I'd find another doctor. Yours sounds like he shouldn't be giving out TRT meds.

flagsup
10-12-2012, 06:46 PM
I tried to explain about estrogen going up, but of course he denied that it would happen with low dose of Testosterone. He was totally against shots. Suppose to have new labs run 1st of December. The thought of looking at another doctor that understands trt might be my best shot. I just started today with axiron at 60 mg, and formeron at 2 pumps per day. Figured this would suffice for now. Does that sound about right until I can get dr. to change or find a new one?

yamar1
10-15-2012, 06:29 PM
I tried to explain about estrogen going up, but of course he denied that it would happen with low dose of Testosterone. He was totally against shots. Suppose to have new labs run 1st of December. The thought of looking at another doctor that understands trt might be my best shot. I just started today with axiron at 60 mg, and formeron at 2 pumps per day. Figured this would suffice for now. Does that sound about right until I can get dr. to change or find a new one?

He is actually correct. Estrogen will not raise beyond standard unless you take testosterone really high. Unfortunately this is the standard protocol used by conventional doctors. Raise testosterone to the low end of normal and screw you.

Deal with a TRT clinic. They will give you everything you need to thrive as a man and feel young again.

flagsup
10-15-2012, 08:27 PM
I have been reading alot and checking out some TRT clinics. Anyone know any around the spokane, wa. area. I found a good one in seattle that charges $20-$40/ week with labs included, does that sound about normal? I appreciate the advice. This axiron makes me nervous when it comes to transferance to my wife. Put it on, wait 3 min to dry, wait 2 hours and wash to have contact with my wife, that shit is messed up...Alot of hassle to be doing for a long time..

flagsup
10-29-2012, 07:16 PM
Finally got an appointment with an endo at the end of November. In the meantime, I am running a cycle with my perscribed Axiron, 2 pills ed of Halo Plex, 1 pill Ed of Cyanostane, 2 pumps ed of Formeron. I also take 2 pills ed of taurine to keep back pumps down, fish oil to help with my joints. Awesome cycle. My strength is through the roof, vascularity is better every day, have gained 4 lbs of muscle in the last 2 weeks. Is there anything else that I am missing or does that sound decent?

DetMuscle
10-29-2012, 07:32 PM
I had to explain esters, HCG, Arimidex and all that to my doctor. He admitted he didnt understand it. Just explain it to him. If he doesnt give it to you, knock him out

allen001
10-30-2012, 04:01 AM
Finally got an appointment with an endo at the end of November. In the meantime, I am running a cycle with my perscribed Axiron, 2 pills ed of Halo Plex, 1 pill Ed of Cyanostane, 2 pumps ed of Formeron. I also take 2 pills ed of taurine to keep back pumps down, fish oil to help with my joints. Awesome cycle. My strength is through the roof, vascularity is better every day, have gained 4 lbs of muscle in the last 2 weeks. Is there anything else that I am missing or does that sound decent?


Its nice that you finally got appointment with endo, you mention you are using some TRT medicines, what is you exp with TRT meds. I have used androgel testosterone replacement it worked for me. What is your exp, with TRT and androgel..

flagsup
10-30-2012, 06:26 AM
I haven't used androgel, just axiron. I am new to all this trt stuff, been reading alot on it and been on this forum quite a bit trying to get a heads up on what to exspect...

flagsup
10-30-2012, 06:29 AM
I have literature to take with me to help with my appointment with the endro...My GP said no way to shots, atleast he admitted that he doesn't know enough about them and referred me to a specialist.....

allen001
11-02-2012, 03:49 AM
I haven't used androgel, just axiron. I am new to all this trt stuff, been reading alot on it and been on this forum quite a bit trying to get a heads up on what to exspect...

hi, as you are new to Trt, i think it would be better for you to know the complete scenario or levels of treatment of TRT. Also I would say before using any med, or before taking any medicine it would be better to get information about it. The As Trt treatment is to be taken only on advice. So i think it would be better if you get better doctor who can direct for proper medication.

allen001
11-02-2012, 03:49 AM
I have literature to take with me to help with my appointment with the endro...My GP said no way to shots, atleast he admitted that he doesn't know enough about them and referred me to a specialist.....

I didn't get that..
Please explain. What you want to say

flagsup
11-03-2012, 07:40 AM
I have an appt with endo on 27th, trying to learn all I can to discuss my options with dr. Even on axiron, I still feel like crap on days..

allen001
11-18-2012, 11:41 PM
I have an appt with endo on 27th, trying to learn all I can to discuss my options with dr. Even on axiron, I still feel like crap on days..

I think you should stop using axiron, as you are not feeling good after using it. Consult doctor about it or I would say its time to get another better doctor or treatment for your problem. I think using some herbal remedy may help you. I think the doctor is not dealing with your actual problem. Be careful.. Get well soon.

flagsup
11-20-2012, 07:55 PM
Talked to Doctor about the axiron and he wanted me to stay on it until I can see the endo on the 27th to give them a baseline on how it effects me..Some days I feel it working, but it also bounces my estro all over the place. My labs are all due up again so next week with the endo and get all my labs run...I've been doing as much homework as I can so I know what to address with the endo...

BP2000
11-20-2012, 10:07 PM
Talked to Doctor about the axiron and he wanted me to stay on it until I can see the endo on the 27th to give them a baseline on how it effects me..Some days I feel it working, but it also bounces my estro all over the place. My labs are all due up again so next week with the endo and get all my labs run...I've been doing as much homework as I can so I know what to address with the endo...


Your doc has you on a gel. There are tons of guys who use gels/creams with great success and don't require an AI. You only need an AI typically if you are doing over 100mg of test (inject) a week. Most creams/gels are given at 100mg per day with 10% absorbtion rate so 10mg of test a day which most guys don't need an AI. Your E2 won't go up that much anyway in 4-5 weeks so see what your T levels are first. And I wouldn't recommend going on a cycle when you are getting TRT dialed in. It will mess up your blood work, all those pills will jack up your shit.

BP2000
11-20-2012, 10:13 PM
I tried to explain about estrogen going up, but of course he denied that it would happen with low dose of Testosterone. He was totally against shots. Suppose to have new labs run 1st of December. The thought of looking at another doctor that understands trt might be my best shot. I just started today with axiron at 60 mg, and formeron at 2 pumps per day. Figured this would suffice for now. Does that sound about right until I can get dr. to change or find a new one?

He is right with low dose T you don't need an AI. Many cutting edge TRT docs are now lowering even injectables to 80mg a week and not needing an AI. If you stay within the limits of what your body produces naturally (8*12mg T per day) your body won't convert to Estrogen. Typcially with creams docs will prescribe up to 120mg of cream per day with 10% absorbion that is only around 80mg per week which most guy's don't need an AI unless you are really sensitive to T.

If creams/gels work for you I would keep with them. They mimic the natural cycle the best. And you are apply to your underarm so apply and put on a shirt? I don't see it transfering to your wife unless you are giving her the goods in the mourning with your shirt off right after applying. LOL

flagsup
11-21-2012, 06:39 AM
Thanks for the advice. The axiron is 30mg twice a day. I started taking formeron when I noticed I was getting soft and my chest was starting to show signs of man boobs and be soft with puffy nipples so I just figured it was my estrogen going up...My wife and I have always had a great sex life, 9-10 times a week is about an average and has been that way for some time. Since being on axiron I have noticed more aggressiveness, my libido goes back and forth, some acne, stonger erections but volume of ejaculate has gone down and the last two days I haven't been able to orgasm at all, which isn't normal for me. usually if we skip a day or two i am blowing her head off. Is this common with trt or is there something else I should be looking at. I am new to this and read up on everybody elses experience to try to figure out my own so any help would be great that I can talk with doc about on tuesday...

blergs.
11-21-2012, 06:59 AM
If he knew nothing about estro conversion then you need to find a new endo....

JW_HRT
11-21-2012, 09:51 AM
you are going to want to find a new doctor

get proper labs done

if they are not willing to check your estrogen levels then move on to another dr

flagsup
11-21-2012, 03:47 PM
My GP is the one that won't test for estro, my appt. on tuesday is with a new Endo. So hopefully I can get something dialed in.....

flagsup
11-21-2012, 04:49 PM
Before started TRT, my test level was at 241 for a 45 yr old male.I am 6'1'' and 195 lbs, I haven't had my body fat checked but is probably upper teens. For the most part my libido was good, would spike off and on being that I was taking herbal test/libido enhancers. My sex life has always been great, 9-10 times a week and being able to achieve an orgasm probably about 6-7 of those times. At times I would have issues of achieving an erection but most of the time that only happened after I did a prohormone cycle but my libido would come back to normal high with some horny goat weed and some maca. My energy level has been down and feeling depressed at times before trt. My doc wanted to put me on trt to improve all these. Since been on trt, my energy level is still down, will go high now and then but still kinda lathargic, my libido is still in question, my desire is off an on, can get an erection easy but at times can't orgasm, we still have sex 9-10 times per week. I have found that my estro raises easily and my chest will start getting soft and puffy nipples, I added formeron at 2 pumps ed and that almost seemed to lower my estro too much, I cut to 1 pump ed and is not quite enough to get rid of the puffiness. I am currently 200 lbs and my bodyfat has gone down. Gonna run labs end of Nov. but wanted to put my rundown out there for any suggestions on what you guys have gone through. I am wondering if trt is for me or if I should look another direction....

allen001
11-22-2012, 01:23 AM
Before started TRT, my test level was at 241 for a 45 yr old male.I am 6'1'' and 195 lbs, I haven't had my body fat checked but is probably upper teens. For the most part my libido was good, would spike off and on being that I was taking herbal test/libido enhancers. My sex life has always been great, 9-10 times a week and being able to achieve an orgasm probably about 6-7 of those times. At times I would have issues of achieving an erection but most of the time that only happened after I did a prohormone cycle but my libido would come back to normal high with some horny goat weed and some maca. My energy level has been down and feeling depressed at times before trt. My doc wanted to put me on trt to improve all these. Since been on trt, my energy level is still down, will go high now and then but still kinda lathargic, my libido is still in question, my desire is off an on, can get an erection easy but at times can't orgasm, we still have sex 9-10 times per week. I have found that my estro raises easily and my chest will start getting soft and puffy nipples, I added formeron at 2 pumps ed and that almost seemed to lower my estro too much, I cut to 1 pump ed and is not quite enough to get rid of the puffiness. I am currently 200 lbs and my bodyfat has gone down. Gonna run labs end of Nov. but wanted to put my rundown out there for any suggestions on what you guys have gone through. I am wondering if trt is for me or if I should look another direction....


Hey i think you need to change the treatment, or get a better doctor.

flagsup
11-23-2012, 07:46 AM
Thats what I am going to talk to endo about Tuesday. Just trying to get info on what others have experienced so I don't go in blind. Thanks for the insight. Will post what endo has to say on tuesday.

slownsteady
11-23-2012, 08:22 PM
My doc prescribes me 250mg per week but not aware of the other 1000mg a week I take!! That is sooo damb funny to me. That's good humor plus I don't feel bad anymore. I think everyone does this same thing they just dont admit it. That's the way to do it. I truely wont use high doses anymore cause I'm done with many years of massing up so I think im more than big enough now its time to just lift lighter and have fun with no stresss of getting huge.

Intense
11-23-2012, 10:30 PM
Totally against injections, knows nothing about estro related issues? I'd get a second opinion.

flagsup
11-24-2012, 07:21 PM
Tuesday is a new endo, hopefully this one is smarter...Thanks for all the good advise..

ortalizp
11-26-2012, 09:17 AM
My hrt doc. really good lots of blood work. but pricy. since then my endo says under 300 is not low. appt in 2 weeks w uru limited blood rest w psa. If I have to train my own doc. maybe I should charge a fee?

Dr. Griffiths
11-28-2012, 04:33 AM
Totally against injections, knows nothing about estro related issues? I'd get a second opinion.

He is, his doc referred him to an endo which at least is something as many docs are unwilling to admit they don't know something and won't refer you on.

On the other hand if he admits he doesn't know much about it I would say he shouldn't have started you on the axiron in the first place but should of referred you on straight away.

flagsup
11-28-2012, 03:59 PM
Spent alot of time talking with new endo., I am having a new panel of test run saturday, with estrogen, igf1, testosterone, prolactin and some others I can't remember. Then he wants me to go off axiron and everything for 4 months to get my baseline before he will work a program up for me. He talked to me about injections and sarms once my tests come back..2 months is my next endo appointment so this sounds alot better then when I talked with my GP...

Dr. Griffiths
11-29-2012, 03:52 AM
Excellent, keep us updated.

BP2000
11-29-2012, 06:12 PM
Spent alot of time talking with new endo., I am having a new panel of test run saturday, with estrogen, igf1, testosterone, prolactin and some others I can't remember. Then he wants me to go off axiron and everything for 4 months to get my baseline before he will work a program up for me. He talked to me about injections and sarms once my tests come back..2 months is my next endo appointment so this sounds alot better then when I talked with my GP...

If you are shutdown and come off cold turkey you will feel like crap for 4 month's! What is the point of the come off? You don't have bloodwork prior to TRT? If you do then the doc should try a restart with you HCG/Clomid therapy.

flagsup
11-30-2012, 09:12 AM
I hear you, I talk to this with my endo, I wonder if I shouldn't do at least some clomid in the meantim mean time. Does anybo does anybody recommend anythi does anybody recommend anything?

allen001
12-01-2012, 04:40 AM
Spent alot of time talking with new endo., I am having a new panel of test run saturday, with estrogen, igf1, testosterone, prolactin and some others I can't remember. Then he wants me to go off axiron and everything for 4 months to get my baseline before he will work a program up for me. He talked to me about injections and sarms once my tests come back..2 months is my next endo appointment so this sounds alot better then when I talked with my GP...


New panel and tests again....
Are you crazy...

I think you should get a better HRT/TRT solution. Have a blood work
Get some good doc or HRT solution.

flagsup
12-01-2012, 06:17 PM
The endo I talked to on tuesday seems to have his shit together. He is also a triathalete so is up on research....He does all the research for the spokane area and is the primary trt , hrt endo in eastern washington..He is trying to find somewhere to begin and wonders why my GP started me on axiron without supporting test that we not run the first time..Anyways, had my labs today so should know if the axiron is even working or whats next...I am at a loss so hope this guy really does have his shit together..

flagsup
12-12-2012, 06:14 PM
well, just got a letter in from my endo. My IGF-1 he says is just below normal, my testosterone is 398, my prolactin is 6.7 which he says is normal. He didn't give me any other results so I will have to call tomorrow to get the rest. He said that the axiron was keeping me in normal range so i can continue that if i want or wait 4 months, stay clean and retest to get baseline before he will work with me. My Test level was 291 before axiron but I have been running formeron with it so that really is not much of an increase to speak highly of. What do you guys think? I am beginning to think that going to the doc is worthless..

plumber68
12-12-2012, 06:45 PM
I tried to explain about estrogen going up, but of course he denied that it would happen with low dose of Testosterone. He was totally against shots. Suppose to have new labs run 1st of December. The thought of looking at another doctor that understands trt might be my best shot. I just started today with axiron at 60 mg, and formeron at 2 pumps per day. Figured this would suffice for now. Does that sound about right until I can get dr. to change or find a new one?Of course he is going to deny what he doesn't know because they all want to be the smartest guy in the room. When you do back it up with paperwork, the look on his face will be interesting...good luck

charley
12-14-2012, 07:58 PM
Spent alot of time talking with new endo., I am having a new panel of test run saturday, with estrogen, igf1, testosterone, prolactin and some others I can't remember. Then he wants me to go off axiron and everything for 4 months to get my baseline before he will work a program up for me. He talked to me about injections and sarms once my tests come back..2 months is my next endo appointment so this sounds alot better then when I talked with my GP...

,,,,,,,My doctor wanted me off for 4 months to test ....I just came back on after 15yrs of test use.....wanted to be legal....4months of feeling sick because no test...now he wants me to wait another 2 months....I'm 63....fugg him ..I'm back on illegal....asshole dr. ...I always buy online..I have a 3yr supply in my house....I suffered for nothing..needless to say..I hate doctors...
.....never gel....shots..once a week..250 mgs..ent...he told me I'm old..it's normal...I repeat,,'I HATE DOCTORS'....

flagsup
12-15-2012, 07:36 AM
I have been weaning myself off for the last two weeks, not too bad as I don't think my body absorbs the transdermal test that good anyways. I will test in 4 months and see where it all is then and decide where I want to go....I have researched alot and know what I need to do for me.....

flagsup
12-15-2012, 08:01 AM
Just got my full labs in..Tell me what you all think...
Igf-1. 84 ng/ml 90-360
Prolactin. 6.7 12.6-13
Test. 398. 291-739
Free test. 144.9. 47-244
Bio avail. 322. 130-680
Shbg. 6.9 nmol/l. 11-80
Estadiol. 23 pg/ml. 0-56

This is on axiron with 2 pumps per day of formeron...and still have sum puffiness in my nipples.

allen001
12-18-2012, 11:53 PM
Just got my full labs in..Tell me what you all think...
Igf-1. 84 ng/ml 90-360
Prolactin. 6.7 12.6-13
Test. 398. 291-739
Free test. 144.9. 47-244
Bio avail. 322. 130-680
Shbg. 6.9 nmol/l. 11-80
Estadiol. 23 pg/ml. 0-56

This is on axiron with 2 pumps per day of formeron...and still have sum puffiness in my nipples.

Hi,

If you found axiron effective then it is nice, but i think you should get better medicine......
still you have puffiness in nipples which need to be cured...

I think changing the treatment would help you..
Think about it

flagsup
01-13-2013, 04:46 PM
Hi,

If you found axiron effective then it is nice, but i think you should get better medicine......
still you have puffiness in nipples which need to be cured...

I think changing the treatment would help you..
Think about it
Its been over a month since stopping axiron. I felt better off the axiron then on. I decided to run some diesel test hardcore and formasurge to bump my energy up some. My energy is higher than when I was on axiron but still not all there I feel.. My libido is better than when on axiron but could be even better. This confuses me and makes me wonder about TRT...Any suggestions from you guys that have had similiar issues...

oufinny
01-14-2013, 10:45 AM
Its been over a month since stopping axiron. I felt better off the axiron then on. I decided to run some diesel test hardcore and formasurge to bump my energy up some. My energy is higher than when I was on axiron but still not all there I feel.. My libido is better than when on axiron but could be even better. This confuses me and makes me wonder about TRT...Any suggestions from you guys that have had similiar issues...

First, find a clinic that does nothing but TRT for men and women, get a second opinion with your already done labs. Two, diesel test is a joke so you won't get much from it. The formeron on the other hand will help, apply a pump on your nipples directly it will shrink the puffiness quick (just pump and split it between the two, skin is super thin there so it will soak in well). This whole be off for 4 months is complete bull shit, fuck that guy for making you feel bad just so he can re-evaluate you only to delay again.

flagsup
01-14-2013, 08:40 PM
First, find a clinic that does nothing but TRT for men and women, get a second opinion with your already done labs. Two, diesel test is a joke so you won't get much from it. The formeron on the other hand will help, apply a pump on your nipples directly it will shrink the puffiness quick (just pump and split it between the two, skin is super thin there so it will soak in well). This whole be off for 4 months is complete bull shit, fuck that guy for making you feel bad just so he can re-evaluate you only to delay again.

Thanks for the advice...This endo that i seen, that is all his clinic does. It's just jumping through bullshit hoops..Do you think DAA would be better than the diesel test? I have deffinately learned alot through all this..

allen001
01-14-2013, 10:25 PM
Its been over a month since stopping axiron. I felt better off the axiron then on. I decided to run some diesel test hardcore and formasurge to bump my energy up some. My energy is higher than when I was on axiron but still not all there I feel.. My libido is better than when on axiron but could be even better. This confuses me and makes me wonder about TRT...Any suggestions from you guys that have had similiar issues...

Well exp with axiron was good, but i then turn to herbal treatment with help me. I use HRT pump which help me to fix the issue.

BP2000
01-15-2013, 12:31 AM
Thanks for the advice...This endo that i seen, that is all his clinic does. It's just jumping through bullshit hoops..Do you think DAA would be better than the diesel test? I have deffinately learned alot through all this..


Try a new doctor. You test went up with the gel you probably just needed more than 2 pumps. If gel doesn't work with higher pumps then go with injections. And DAA and other herbal stuff won't do shit for your T level's. You need to be monitored by a competent doc test, estrogen, all of it. Your T level was 400 on 2 pumps you probably need 3 or 4 pumps to get you to 1000.

flagsup
01-15-2013, 07:04 AM
My GP won't up my dose because he doesn't want to monitor estrogen, but that is something to check out..I am just gonna have to start looking for a new Trt clinic..one wouldn't think it would be such a pain in the ass.Now i know why guys self administer..

allen001
01-15-2013, 09:03 PM
My GP won't up my dose because he doesn't want to monitor estrogen, but that is something to check out..I am just gonna have to start looking for a new Trt clinic..one wouldn't think it would be such a pain in the ass.Now i know why guys self administer..


Now you are on right path my friend. You should get new TRT clinic or treatment. This time monitor the estrogen level and T level's so as to measure the change. Another thing i would like to say, use methods with least or no side effects. I think you should try some new HRT or TRT pump or something like that.

Take care and best of luck

flagsup
01-21-2013, 07:11 PM
Now you are on right path my friend. You should get new TRT clinic or treatment. This time monitor the estrogen level and T level's so as to measure the change. Another thing i would like to say, use methods with least or no side effects. I think you should try some new HRT or TRT pump or something like that.

Take care and best of luck
Well, it's been almost 2 months since I weaned off of TRT. My energy level is still low, my libido is low and my desire is deffinately down. I push through my workouts but it is not amped up at all. I can still get an erection but orgasm loads are harder to come by and small..I have purchased some forma-stanzol but don't feel too much from it .Still have 2 months to go till my appt with endo. I decided to ride this out with this endo and see what happens in 2 months since I am already in this this far. My insurance is changing so this will give me some slack time. And yes, the diesel test hardcore don't work worth shit...Does anybody have and suggestion on what I can take to get me through to the appt date in 2 months, that I can get off before my labs are run again?

allen001
01-22-2013, 05:40 AM
Well, it's been almost 2 months since I weaned off of TRT. My energy level is still low, my libido is low and my desire is deffinately down. I push through my workouts but it is not amped up at all. I can still get an erection but orgasm loads are harder to come by and small..I have purchased some forma-stanzol but don't feel too much from it .Still have 2 months to go till my appt with endo. I decided to ride this out with this endo and see what happens in 2 months since I am already in this this far. My insurance is changing so this will give me some slack time. And yes, the diesel test hardcore don't work worth shit...Does anybody have and suggestion on what I can take to get me through to the appt date in 2 months, that I can get off before my labs are run again?


Well my friend the problem is that you are finding it hard to get orgasm, which proves that you have low testosterone. I think using food like oyster or chocolate can help you to boost testosterone as we are what we eat. Eating salmon or tuna can help you to get better T level. As you mention insurance change then i would say that try to get better medicine or things as mention before by time so that you will get good results naturally, and as you get better insurance you can jump to get either better TRT/treatment Or you can solve your issue by using some TRT med or product like androgel 1.62 which can help you to get better "T" level. But don't forget to read the review of it. You need to fix the issue as early as possible and i think you getting better TRT by changing the present med/treatment would be better.

flagsup
01-22-2013, 08:10 AM
Well my friend the problem is that you are finding it hard to get orgasm, which proves that you have low testosterone. I think using food like oyster or chocolate can help you to boost testosterone as we are what we eat. Eating salmon or tuna can help you to get better T level. As you mention insurance change then i would say that try to get better medicine or things as mention before by time so that you will get good results naturally, and as you get better insurance you can jump to get either better TRT/treatment Or you can solve your issue by using some TRT med or product like androgel 1.62 which can help you to get better "T" level. But don't forget to read the review of it. You need to fix the issue as early as possible and i think you getting better TRT by changing the present med/treatment would be better.

Thanks for all the helpful info. By the time my endo appt on march 27th, my insurance will kick in from my new job so I will have to wait anyways. Right now i am just trying to learn all I can from guys who have gone through the same thing so I know what to address with endo. Been a big help, thanks..

allen001
01-23-2013, 05:05 AM
Thanks for all the helpful info. By the time my endo appt on march 27th, my insurance will kick in from my new job so I will have to wait anyways. Right now i am just trying to learn all I can from guys who have gone through the same thing so I know what to address with endo. Been a big help, thanks..


I hope best results for you..
Take my advice exercise till your next line of treatment starts. And along with that use better TRT/HRT solution so that you will get better results.


Best of luck and keep us inform

ChiSao
01-25-2013, 04:48 PM
I take a 500ml. shot of testosterone enanthate from the clinic every week. My lutinizing hormones are below normal range and PSA level is 1.2! Weird what Test can do for you.

flagsup
03-09-2013, 06:21 PM
It has been almost 4 months like Dr. ordered. The last 4 months have been up and down on energy, my libido is high one minute then crashes next for the next few days then it's back again..My gym energy is nothing to speak of, its a good thing I can force myself..I have tried fadogia and it has helped some but nothing like being on cycle..Not sure where this all is gonna take me but curious if my labs will be any different at all. My appt. with endo is March 27th so we will see if he still gives me the run-a-round. Bullshit if you ask me. This has been one big rollercoaster ride..

BP2000
03-10-2013, 09:46 PM
that is cruel to make you stop cold turkey. The doc should have at least tried hcg/clomid therapy while waiting. You could have maybe restarted your natural test and see where you are.

allen001
03-11-2013, 12:47 AM
It has been almost 4 months like Dr. ordered. The last 4 months have been up and down on energy, my libido is high one minute then crashes next for the next few days then it's back again..My gym energy is nothing to speak of, its a good thing I can force myself..I have tried fadogia and it has helped some but nothing like being on cycle..Not sure where this all is gonna take me but curious if my labs will be any different at all. My appt. with endo is March 27th so we will see if he still gives me the run-a-round. Bullshit if you ask me. This has been one big rollercoaster ride..


Well i think you should consult doctor and tell him the up and down's of your T level. I think it would be better if you consults any other doctor who can prescribe you a better med.

Inform us the 27th march appointment results. Waiting ....

BrooklynMuscle
03-11-2013, 07:03 PM
That is bullshit and I hope you do get it all sorted out. Let us know the progress

flagsup
03-11-2013, 08:07 PM
that is cruel to make you stop cold turkey. The doc should have at least tried hcg/clomid therapy while waiting. You could have maybe restarted your natural test and see where you are.

I think the whole thing is bullshit..I made it this far and it wasn't fun at all. It's been like draggin my ass for months..The 27th will be my 3rd lab test. I only did it this way to see how they do compare. I have enough info on how this all works now to know what I need to do if the doc don't get on board..will deffinately post results and what doc has to say about it all...

flagsup
03-27-2013, 09:13 PM
Did labs this last week-end and endo appt. today.. My total test was 295, free test was 68, estadiol was 4. My endo tried to tell me that I was in range with my age, even though it being at the bottom end. After telling him all my concerns and lack of energy and libido, he asked if I wanted to go on axiron at a double dose or androgel. I told him I tried that route and I wasn't paying that price just to raise my test levels 100-200 points. I told him if we aren't going to talk injections then I was done here and I would self medicate myself..He agreed that I was in range to start injections if i wanted. He agreed to start me out at 200mg of cypionate every 14 days, lab work done a week after 3rd injection and next endo appt to discuss variation in dosage or going to once a week in 3 months..I asked about arimedex if it was needed and he said no way, hcg, no way...I was shocked when I picked up my test, a 3 months supply for $19.50. That being in a good way..I was curious with my estradiol, I was taking vital labs pct with formastanzol so I guess it worked...It's a start, any suggestions at this point???

independent
03-28-2013, 09:52 AM
Make sure to inject at least a 100mgs once a week, 2 weeks per inj is to long. At that dosage no ai should be needed, just do what the doc wants for now and you can add the hcg in later on your own. You should probably tell him about dosing weekly so he knows. Explain to him the halflife is only 7 days.

flagsup
03-28-2013, 08:46 PM
Make sure to inject at least a 100mgs once a week, 2 weeks per inj is to long. At that dosage no ai should be needed, just do what the doc wants for now and you can add the hcg in later on your own. You should probably tell him about dosing weekly so he knows. Explain to him the halflife is only 7 days.

That's what I was thinking. I talked to him about the half life, he said he wanted to stick with the every 14 days for the 1st 3 months then we would do labs and if I wanted to then he would be willing to write the script for once a week. he wanted to see how my body reacted and wether I had highs and lows. I told him I wanted to be around 800 on my test levels and he was on board. I figured I can adjust on my own or add some if I needed as long as I got doc on board with script now.. I was going to inject every week and tell him I had ups and downs, when I get close to my labs, how can I adjust to get the best results?

independent
03-29-2013, 09:27 AM
Just inject every every week now and a month before your labs change it to every 2 weeks. He will never know.

ChiSao
03-29-2013, 10:16 AM
300mg. every 2 weeks for me, I like to cheat.

flagsup
03-29-2013, 04:34 PM
Just inject every every week now and a month before your labs change it to every 2 weeks. He will never know.

If I stay at 100mg a week and run my labs on the 7th day, would that work also, or would it be better to go back to every 14 days before? Also, can someone clarify something with HCG. I have read alot on this and how it brings back sperm count, very helpful if still wanting to have kids. I had a vasectomy years ago and not worried about that at all. What benefit would it have for me? I know it keeps the testicles from shrinking but unless I am wrong, after a vasectomy there is nothing coming from there anyways..

Can someone enlighten this subject for me????

independent
03-29-2013, 07:00 PM
If I stay at 100mg a week and run my labs on the 7th day, would that work also, or would it be better to go back to every 14 days before? Also, can someone clarify something with HCG. I have read alot on this and how it brings back sperm count, very helpful if still wanting to have kids. I had a vasectomy years ago and not worried about that at all. What benefit would it have for me? I know it keeps the testicles from shrinking but unless I am wrong, after a vasectomy there is nothing coming from there anyways..

Can someone enlighten this subject for me????

Yes wait the 14 days for your lab work like the doc wants this way your levels will probably be low and he will up your dose. Hcg keeps the testes running, the testes are also responsible for producing other essential hormones the body needs.

flagsup
03-29-2013, 07:33 PM
Yes wait the 14 days for your lab work like the doc wants this way your levels will probably be low and he will up your dose. Hcg keeps the testes running, the testes are also responsible for producing other essential hormones the body needs.

Ok, good to know on HCG. The doc wanted me to test 1 week after my 3rd every 14 day shot shot, that's why I was confused on wether it made any difference. If I pin 100 and wait a week, test before next shot, won't my levels be lower than pinning 200 and then testing a week later?

independent
03-30-2013, 11:29 AM
Ok, good to know on HCG. The doc wanted me to test 1 week after my 3rd every 14 day shot shot, that's why I was confused on wether it made any difference. If I pin 100 and wait a week, test before next shot, won't my levels be lower than pinning 200 and then testing a week later?

Ok i got it, he wants you to test 7 days after your inject of 200mgs correct? I would assume your levels would be decent. My thought is they could be over normal possibly and he drops your dosage. You could inject just a 100mgs prior to the test to be safe. Can you do some bloodwork on your own prior to get a baseline?

flagsup
03-31-2013, 05:41 PM
Ok i got it, he wants you to test 7 days after your inject of 200mgs correct? I would assume your levels would be decent. My thought is they could be over normal possibly and he drops your dosage. You could inject just a 100mgs prior to the test to be safe. Can you do some bloodwork on your own prior to get a baseline?

Yes, he wants to test me 7 days after my 3 rd shot then discuss wether I want to do once a week depending on how I feel and wether I have any ups and downs or not..I was going to tell him I had ups and downs no matter what happened just to get on once a week injections. The 7 days after 3rd shot was to test and adjust, wether up or down what I was going to do every week thereafter. I just figured that at every 7 days now and then test before my next shot at that 6 wk mark, doing 100 mg would test more level and real than pinning 200 and testing 7 days later. At 200, I figured my levels might be higher and give him an arguement to keep me at every 2 weeks..I found some places online last night that I can get labs on my own if I needed...

Samuellohan
04-01-2013, 05:05 AM
TRT meds works but I haven't tried any other forms of testosterone so I am not sure how well it is working. It has been helpful to me though.

independent
04-01-2013, 09:01 AM
Yes, he wants to test me 7 days after my 3 rd shot then discuss wether I want to do once a week depending on how I feel and wether I have any ups and downs or not..I was going to tell him I had ups and downs no matter what happened just to get on once a week injections. The 7 days after 3rd shot was to test and adjust, wether up or down what I was going to do every week thereafter. I just figured that at every 7 days now and then test before my next shot at that 6 wk mark, doing 100 mg would test more level and real than pinning 200 and testing 7 days later. At 200, I figured my levels might be higher and give him an arguement to keep me at every 2 weeks..I found some places online last night that I can get labs on my own if I needed...

Your plan makes sense.

flagsup
04-01-2013, 07:43 PM
Your plan makes sense.

ok, glad to know that all my research pays off and I am on the right track. I found good place to get labs on my own, also to get some HCG from one of your other posts on this forum. I am starting to feel better, been 5 days since my last shot, going to do another 100mg on weds. I crushed my estrogen, trying to bring it back slow, killed my libido also for a spell. Now i just need to get dialed in. Thanks Big Moe for all your help on helping me understand all this...

JCBourne
04-01-2013, 09:18 PM
What are your levels at 100mg/week?

flagsup
04-02-2013, 06:55 AM
I won' t be tested till around 24th of april then suppose to meet with endo to talk about adjusting or not..

cornertech
04-02-2013, 10:32 AM
Gels are ok if BF is normal...if BF is low it will convert to DHT more rapidly creating peaks and valley's in your levels...I use inj, never any issues, more consistent.


I am 45 yrs. old, been doing prohormones for quite a years. just had all my levels checked and all were good except my testosterone was at 242 so Dr started me on TRT. He would only perscribe Axiron transdermal at 60mg/day. I talked to him about it increasing my estrogen and he knew nothing on this subject. Has anyone ever used Axiron and should I be concerned about estrogen levels raising? Any info you guys can provide would be great appreciated...

cornertech
04-02-2013, 10:33 AM
300mg. every 2 weeks for me, I like to cheat.

Bump...

cornertech
04-02-2013, 10:35 AM
ok, glad to know that all my research pays off and I am on the right track. I found good place to get labs on my own, also to get some HCG from one of your other posts on this forum. I am starting to feel better, been 5 days since my last shot, going to do another 100mg on weds. I crushed my estrogen, trying to bring it back slow, killed my libido also for a spell. Now i just need to get dialed in. Thanks Big Moe for all your help on helping me understand all this...

perhaps look into adding HMG w/ the HCG as well...

flagsup
04-02-2013, 06:14 PM
perhaps look into adding HMG w/ the HCG as well...

Never heard of HMG but will give it a look..Have you used HMG?

JCBourne
04-02-2013, 10:05 PM
I won' t be tested till around 24th of april then suppose to meet with endo to talk about adjusting or not..

How do you feel?

WitchKing
04-03-2013, 08:20 AM
My doctor would only do one T shot a month. I told him to go f himself. So, I called local compounding pharmacies and asked for TRT doctor recommendations. New doc had me on 100 mg T e3d after first visit. I knew I needed HCG and anastrozole. Insurance didn't cover them, so I went the India pharmacy route. Feel great, sex is now five or six times a week. E is in check, wife is happy, I'm happy.

sneedham
04-03-2013, 10:33 AM
I tried to explain about estrogen going up, but of course he denied that it would happen with low dose of Testosterone. He was totally against shots. Suppose to have new labs run 1st of December. The thought of looking at another doctor that understands trt might be my best shot. I just started today with axiron at 60 mg, and formeron at 2 pumps per day. Figured this would suffice for now. Does that sound about right until I can get dr. to change or find a new one? IMO an AI is prob not needed unless you are taking over 100mg/ml/wk of test. However I everyone is different and blood work would be the final answer to your question....

flagsup
04-03-2013, 06:09 PM
How do you feel?

I feel better. I noticed that my energy, libido and overall feeling was up around day 3 after my first shot. Around day 6 and 7 my energy level was less but still higher than what it has been for several months. I did 100mg today for my second shot, which is 7 days after 1st shot so we will see how this goes..I plan on just doing 100mg a week until my next endo appt. Because I am 46 I seen to have to watch my estro more than a few years ago but it seems to be in check. I have been taking a low dose otc pct product and seems to be ok.

flagsup
04-03-2013, 06:12 PM
My doctor would only do one T shot a month. I told him to go f himself. So, I called local compounding pharmacies and asked for TRT doctor recommendations. New doc had me on 100 mg T e3d after first visit. I knew I needed HCG and anastrozole. Insurance didn't cover them, so I went the India pharmacy route. Feel great, sex is now five or six times a week. E is in check, wife is happy, I'm happy.

how long did it take to get everything dialed in perfect?

flagsup
04-11-2013, 08:16 PM
I feel better. I noticed that my energy, libido and overall feeling was up around day 3 after my first shot. Around day 6 and 7 my energy level was less but still higher than what it has been for several months. I did 100mg today for my second shot, which is 7 days after 1st shot so we will see how this goes..I plan on just doing 100mg a week until my next endo appt. Because I am 46 I seen to have to watch my estro more than a few years ago but it seems to be in check. I have been taking a low dose otc pct product and seems to be ok.


Here is the my trt rundown....Started trt with 200mg testosterone cypionate, suppose to inject every two weeks but injected the 1st shot at 200mg in the endo office, the following 7 days did 100mg, and another 100 mg the next week, 7 days apart. Now, when I take my shot at night, by morning I start to feel an energy increase, by the 2nd day energy, libido, strength, is running pretty good, starting to sleep better at night, by day 6 I start feeling a little sluggish and by day 7 I start feeling a little drained, take my shot of 100mg the night of day 7 and by morning I feel an increase in energy..I also take an over the pct product, 1 pill every other day, to help keep estrogen in check. Arime PCT Stage 5 by EPG. This is my routine for now until I go back to endo...

1693
04-11-2013, 09:02 PM
Now, when I take my shot at night, by morning I start to feel an energy increase, by the 2nd day energy, libido, strength, is running pretty good, starting to sleep better at night, by day 6 I start feeling a little sluggish and by day 7 I start feeling a little drained, take my shot of 100mg the night of day 7 and by morning I feel an increase in energy

I bet you'd do a bit better pinning 70mg every 5 days....no more sluggish days!!!

TrojanMan60563
04-12-2013, 09:01 AM
I pin 100mg e5d and my levels are very stable. I wish my TRT doctor would give me more since I'm only around 525-550 at this dose but he feels this is satisfactory. It for sure beats the 90 that I had when I went to see him.

independent
04-12-2013, 09:31 AM
Here is the my trt rundown....Started trt with 200mg testosterone cypionate, suppose to inject every two weeks but injected the 1st shot at 200mg in the endo office, the following 7 days did 100mg, and another 100 mg the next week, 7 days apart. Now, when I take my shot at night, by morning I start to feel an energy increase, by the 2nd day energy, libido, strength, is running pretty good, starting to sleep better at night, by day 6 I start feeling a little sluggish and by day 7 I start feeling a little drained, take my shot of 100mg the night of day 7 and by morning I feel an increase in energy..I also take an over the pct product, 1 pill every other day, to help keep estrogen in check. Arime PCT Stage 5 by EPG. This is my routine for now until I go back to endo...

Try pinning 50mgs every 3.5 days and see if you feel better.

chocolatemalt
04-12-2013, 09:59 AM
I wish my TRT doctor would give me more since I'm only around 525-550 at this dose but he feels this is satisfactory. It for sure beats the 90 that I had when I went to see him.

What a dick. 500's seem like the low end of acceptable, no reason not to reach for 800-1000 since you're medicating anyway. My natty levels are right around 500 and I suffer the classic low test symptoms there (although not everyone does), and I'm cured with boosted levels. I'd find a new doc.

TrojanMan60563
04-12-2013, 02:34 PM
What a dick. 500's seem like the low end of acceptable, no reason not to reach for 800-1000 since you're medicating anyway. My natty levels are right around 500 and I suffer the classic low test symptoms there (although not everyone does), and I'm cured with boosted levels. I'd find a new doc.

I am going to go the overpriced clinic legal route. I get labs with my endo soon and I plan to ask for more but I'm pretty sure he wont give me more. I don't think he expected it would take 150mg EW to get me to where I am. I was on 200mg every 2 weeks. Then 150mg EW...now to get the levels stable its 100mg e5d. Granted levels are stable but nothing to write home to mom about. So I guess since the regular medical community can't seem to get it right I'll pay out my ass to get my levels to a reasonable level or better. Doctors here in IL pay out their ass for malpractice and I think they are all scared to have their name on a controlled substance. Its a fucking joke!

chocolatemalt
04-12-2013, 03:30 PM
I am going to go the overpriced clinic legal route. I get labs with my endo soon and I plan to ask for more but I'm pretty sure he wont give me more. I don't think he expected it would take 150mg EW to get me to where I am. I was on 200mg every 2 weeks. Then 150mg EW...now to get the levels stable its 100mg e5d. Granted levels are stable but nothing to write home to mom about. So I guess since the regular medical community can't seem to get it right I'll pay out my ass to get my levels to a reasonable level or better. Doctors here in IL pay out their ass for malpractice and I think they are all scared to have their name on a controlled substance. Its a fucking joke!

Isn't the overpriced clinic route way too overpriced? Some of the numbers I've seen are eye-popping. In your shoes I'd try another regular doc if your insurance allows that, otherwise go with MLG, AMA, AY... Being off the grid myself I guess my advice is biased. :)

1693
04-12-2013, 03:41 PM
I am going to go the overpriced clinic legal route. I get labs with my endo soon and I plan to ask for more but I'm pretty sure he wont give me more. I don't think he expected it would take 150mg EW to get me to where I am. I was on 200mg every 2 weeks. Then 150mg EW...now to get the levels stable its 100mg e5d. Granted levels are stable but nothing to write home to mom about. So I guess since the regular medical community can't seem to get it right I'll pay out my ass to get my levels to a reasonable level or better. Doctors here in IL pay out their ass for malpractice and I think they are all scared to have their name on a controlled substance. Its a fucking joke!

By what I've read in many threads, there's only a very small percentage of docs that are worth a damn when it comes to TRT worldwide!
It's a rare thing to find a good one...the chances of finding one seems to be better if they are male and it also helps if you find one that is on TRT themselves.

flagsup
04-13-2013, 08:15 AM
Isn't the overpriced clinic route way too overpriced? Some of the numbers I've seen are eye-popping. In your shoes I'd try another regular doc if your insurance allows that, otherwise go with MLG, AMA, AY... Being off the grid myself I guess my advice is biased. :)

Actually, to get 200mg every 2 wks right cost me $19 every 3 months. Going to the endo is the only way I can get shots but is actually less expensive than my GP. My endo however will not give me a script for HCG or arimidex at all even if needed. I found 10 cc cypionate for $24 off the grid and same with hcg and arimidex. Once I do my next labs, will show me how I need to dose. I just want the doc on board to give script and I can dial in the rest. I even found a way to get my own labs. I have double insurance so what I can get on that is better. I feel better, but I know I can even do better than this also..I have researched alot and think I am on the right path..Does that sound pretty legit?

flagsup
04-13-2013, 08:26 AM
I bet you'd do a bit better pinning 70mg every 5 days....no more sluggish days!!!

That was my thought but was going to wait till my next labs to be sure to not mess up my labs on May 1st for what I need to talk to doc to adjust my dose if needed..If doc won't adjust, I know then what I need to add with the script to adjust on my own...

flagsup
04-13-2013, 08:35 AM
I am going to go the overpriced clinic legal route. I get labs with my endo soon and I plan to ask for more but I'm pretty sure he wont give me more. I don't think he expected it would take 150mg EW to get me to where I am. I was on 200mg every 2 weeks. Then 150mg EW...now to get the levels stable its 100mg e5d. Granted levels are stable but nothing to write home to mom about. So I guess since the regular medical community can't seem to get it right I'll pay out my ass to get my levels to a reasonable level or better. Doctors here in IL pay out their ass for malpractice and I think they are all scared to have their name on a controlled substance. Its a fucking joke!

That sucks because these stupid ass dr's aren't concerned how we feel..I told mine I wanted to be around 800 and he agreed so far. I will go off grid to the rest if needed. Should check into that..

TrojanMan60563
04-13-2013, 10:03 AM
That sucks because these stupid ass dr's aren't concerned how we feel..I told mine I wanted to be around 800 and he agreed so far. I will go off grid to the rest if needed. Should check into that..

I'm doing it the overpriced way to avoid legal issues. If I got caught mailing myself stuff from an UGL I'd lose my job and that would make my life go from great to horrible. I'm also not that trusting of UGL products. I've had good experiences with them in the past, but now days you never know what you're getting. I don't want to shoot mystery oil into my body.

independent
04-13-2013, 11:23 AM
Actually, to get 200mg every 2 wks right cost me $19 every 3 months. Going to the endo is the only way I can get shots but is actually less expensive than my GP. My endo however will not give me a script for HCG or arimidex at all even if needed. I found 10 cc cypionate for $24 off the grid and same with hcg and arimidex. Once I do my next labs, will show me how I need to dose. I just want the doc on board to give script and I can dial in the rest. I even found a way to get my own labs. I have double insurance so what I can get on that is better. I feel better, but I know I can even do better than this also..I have researched alot and think I am on the right path..Does that sound pretty legit?

Your plan is perfect. I wouldnt care if my doc only gave me 50mgs a week, you just need the script so you can travel with it and all that other stuff. Save your script bottles so you can fill them up with other stuff if needed.

sneedham
04-13-2013, 05:38 PM
Your plan is perfect. I wouldnt care if my doc only gave me 50mgs a week, you just need the script so you can travel with it and all that other stuff. Save your script bottles so you can fill them up with other stuff if needed.Bigmoe65 this is treading a fine line but you are correct!!!! If I was in his shoes I would do exactly as you say.... for what it is worth I have been sick and I mean very sick for several day and have missed an injection I am pissed because I have lost about 8 lbs in aweek....................Not to happy but I know what I need to do and a DR will not scrib that..........

flagsup
04-13-2013, 07:29 PM
Your plan is perfect. I wouldnt care if my doc only gave me 50mgs a week, you just need the script so you can travel with it and all that other stuff. Save your script bottles so you can fill them up with other stuff if needed.

By dealing with this endo, I think he will get me close but I don't think he will push any letters on it, he wants to play everything too safe...Question though, if I have a script for the 200mg every 2 weeks and I purchase 10cc vial of cypionate from a sponsor, is that not within reason or is that grey area as far as legality, since I do have script? Just want to clarify a few things that some has brought up so I know the playing field.. I am not sure what we can or can not talk about here so I hope I am not crossing the line...

TrojanMan60563
04-13-2013, 08:38 PM
By dealing with this endo, I think he will get me close but I don't think he will push any letters on it, he wants to play everything too safe...Question though, if I have a script for the 200mg every 2 weeks and I purchase 10cc vial of cypionate from a sponsor, is that not within reason or is that grey area as far as legality, since I do have script? Just want to clarify a few things that some has brought up so I know the playing field.. I am not sure what we can or can not talk about here so I hope I am not crossing the line...

I think by law you can't buy scheduled drugs off the internet script or not. It might save you from getting totally fried if you get caught, however they can also find out if you've been filling a script at a local pharmacy too.

flagsup
04-14-2013, 07:47 AM
Thanks for the info.. Just needed to clarify some things I have heard...

JCBourne
04-14-2013, 09:14 PM
Isn't the overpriced clinic route way too overpriced? Some of the numbers I've seen are eye-popping. In your shoes I'd try another regular doc if your insurance allows that, otherwise go with MLG, AMA, AY... Being off the grid myself I guess my advice is biased. :)

Unless one is extremely experienced with attempting this, it should be really thought through. Even so, there's still tons of risks.

TrojanMan60563
04-15-2013, 09:23 AM
Buying gear online or even domestic UGL is like having heroin mailed to your house. I make enough money that I'm not willing to risk my freedoms to save a little money. There are legit sources but you never know when their time is up or if they are being watched etc...

flagsup
04-15-2013, 08:37 PM
I get my labs May 1st. Been in contact with nurse from endo office, sounds like they are willing to adjust my doseage once my labs are in. I am not doing anything until I find out what I can get endo to do 1st...would be nice to go all legit, and my insurance covers most of it..

flagsup
04-25-2013, 04:54 PM
I get my labs May 1st. Been in contact with nurse from endo office, sounds like they are willing to adjust my doseage once my labs are in. I am not doing anything until I find out what I can get endo to do 1st...would be nice to go all legit, and my insurance covers most of it..


Has anyone had any problems with getting sick at the 6-7 day mark when injecting every 7 days? I didn't know if things were tied in at all together since there was such a drop when injection more than every 5 days...

chocolatemalt
04-25-2013, 06:06 PM
Has anyone had any problems with getting sick at the 6-7 day mark when injecting every 7 days? I didn't know if things were tied in at all together since there was such a drop when injection more than every 5 days...

Haven't done it myself (once-weekly pins) but the effective half-life of test-e or test-c is 7 days. So maybe you're up to 800 ng/dL after your shot and feeling good but then a week later you'll be around 400 ng/dL which is essentially hypogonadism and all its negative effects.

Most of us off-grid juicers are doing E3D or E4D for that reason, to smooth out the blood level curve. Dunno what games the docs are playing.

flagsup
04-26-2013, 07:18 PM
Haven't done it myself (once-weekly pins) but the effective half-life of test-e or test-c is 7 days. So maybe you're up to 800 ng/dL after your shot and feeling good but then a week later you'll be around 400 ng/dL which is essentially hypogonadism and all its negative effects.

Most of us off-grid juicers are doing E3D or E4D for that reason, to smooth out the blood level curve. Dunno what games the docs are playing.

In order to keep my script, I have to do that right now. Suppose to get my labs next weds and then talk to endo about adjusting from there..I deffinately feel the downside on day 6 and 7 and not until day 2 after shot to really kick in. I appreciate the response, I thought maybe it might have something to do with it. After I get my labs and see what doctor is going to do from here, I can adjust what he is willing to give me above the script on my own..

flagsup
05-07-2013, 08:25 PM
In order to keep my script, I have to do that right now. Suppose to get my labs next weds and then talk to endo about adjusting from there..I deffinately feel the downside on day 6 and 7 and not until day 2 after shot to really kick in. I appreciate the response, I thought maybe it might have something to do with it. After I get my labs and see what doctor is going to do from here, I can adjust what he is willing to give me above the script on my own..

Got results from my labs back. All my blood workup is good, my PSA is low so that's good, my test is 474, estrogen is 19..Doc says to keep things as they are because they are in normal range and we will talk at next appt. on June 27th. I am calling nurse tomorrow and letting her know that I am doing once a week now because of the ups and downs and I want to up my script, that 474 is not where I want to be..see what doc says about that. We talked about getting me around 800 but every test he keeps telling me to continue the same because I am in normal range. I am getting the feeling he is trying to keep me at the bottom end..We'll see what info nurse can tell me tomorrow. Also, coming up on week 8, my energy is still better but can be better still, I sleep better, my libido and erection quality has seemed to be slumping some from how it was a couple weeks ago. Is this this due to shut down??? Kinda at a crossroads now and wondering where to go...

independent
05-08-2013, 10:07 AM
I think you will feel better Going to once a week injections, throw some hcg in the mix and utilize some natural test production too.

flagsup
05-09-2013, 06:26 AM
I have been doing once a week. Talked to endo nurse yesterday, told them I wanted to up my dose and be more around 800 like we talked about, waiting for reply from endo. Getting line on hcg, deffinatrly noticing some shrinkage now..

TrojanMan60563
05-09-2013, 04:30 PM
I never been on HCG and I know my boys are smaller but at most 25%...I still shoot huge loads....I'd maybe add some HCG now and then but I'm on TRT for life so why unless I am trying to have kids? I'd rather shoot blanks than knock some dumb bitch up and give her 25%.

flagsup
05-09-2013, 08:27 PM
I am kinda tossed about Hcg...I can't have kids anyways, just trying to make sense of it all. I just got my complete labs....475 total test, 123 free test, 247 bioavailable. What is bioavailable compared to free test? Still waiting for doc to respond to wanting to up dosage, no call yet..

s2h
05-09-2013, 09:22 PM
bioavailable test is the free test and test that is mildly bound to the protein albumin..about 2-3% of all test is free.. and the unbound portion is inactive because it is mostly bound to plasma protein such as the shbg..

a small dose of winstrol even at 10mg ed or eod would allow more of your test to be unbound in a free state if needed...

flagsup
05-10-2013, 06:58 PM
bioavailable test is the free test and test that is mildly bound to the protein albumin..about 2-3% of all test is free.. and the unbound portion is inactive because it is mostly bound to plasma protein such as the shbg..

a small dose of winstrol even at 10mg ed or eod would allow more of your test to be unbound in a free state if needed...

Thanks..I never could figure out what all meant..

ohiostate2827
05-12-2013, 02:52 PM
hcg will convert to e2 in some ppl.. who cares about nut size anyways..did you retest for shbg? if your shbg is real low then your e2 is gonna feel like double than what it really is

flagsup
05-14-2013, 09:01 PM
hcg will convert to e2 in some ppl.. who cares about nut size anyways..did you retest for shbg? if your shbg is real low then your e2 is gonna feel like double than what it really is

my shbg was 13 nmol/l

says 10-50 is normal. Not quite sure what that means, maybe you can shed some lite on this for me..

JCBourne
05-14-2013, 10:01 PM
I never been on HCG and I know my boys are smaller but at most 25%...I still shoot huge loads....I'd maybe add some HCG now and then but I'm on TRT for life so why unless I am trying to have kids? I'd rather shoot blanks than knock some dumb bitch up and give her 25%.

HCG good for shooting huge loads, you say you do that so no reason there. Another reason is to get your boys bigger but if you don't mind then again doesn't matter. Not trying to have kids.

So why? Well HCG does raise T levels, peaks about 72 hours. Some feel better using it. If your nuts ever hurt it may help.

Sounds more like your not looking to use it and given your not worried about kids, etc. I can see why.

flagsup
05-15-2013, 06:24 AM
Yeah, I am not sure where HCG is concerned..Got a letter from Doc, he said if I wanted to try shot every 5 days that's fine, just check labs 5 days after 3rd shot. 100 mg every 5 days. Labs June 4th...

ohiostate2827
05-18-2013, 02:36 PM
my shbg was 13 nmol/l

says 10-50 is normal. Not quite sure what that means, maybe you can shed some lite on this for me..
the lower the shbg is the more test and estrogen is goin to be in the blood stream. shbg should be about 20.. at your levels your estrogen is gonna feel like double. free test imo is what really matters.. total test looks good to me.. i would be wondering what the root cause is.

flagsup
05-19-2013, 08:40 AM
the lower the shbg is the more test and estrogen is goin to be in the blood stream. shbg should be about 20.. at your levels your estrogen is gonna feel like double. free test imo is what really matters.. total test looks good to me.. i would be wondering what the root cause is.

How do I get my SHBG to raise? I always seems to have problems with estrogen, it has been the last couple years but even on 100mg of cypionate every 5 or 7 days, i have to monitor it close. I start feeling soft and start getting man boobs, feeling like shit and then I take some otc pct product to help with estrogen but then I do labs and it all comes back looking good but still feel soft..My bodyfat was 17% the last time checked so not too bad. The whole trt thing was to try to get everything on a level. Years of prohormone seemed to mess things up hormonally..Just trying to get things on a level...

ohiostate2827
05-19-2013, 10:41 AM
How do I get my SHBG to raise? I always seems to have problems with estrogen, it has been the last couple years but even on 100mg of cypionate every 5 or 7 days, i have to monitor it close. I start feeling soft and start getting man boobs, feeling like shit and then I take some otc pct product to help with estrogen but then I do labs and it all comes back looking good but still feel soft..My bodyfat was 17% the last time checked so not too bad. The whole trt thing was to try to get everything on a level. Years of prohormone seemed to mess things up hormonally..Just trying to get things on a level...

correcting thyroid, insulin resistance as well as now leptin resistance has been shown to help increase SHBG. With low SHBG TRT should be given with more frequent dosages like 50mg on Monday and again on Thursday. An AI can be thrown in to cover any negative estrogen issues.. i prefer aromasin

flagsup
05-20-2013, 07:50 PM
correcting thyroid, insulin resistance as well as now leptin resistance has been shown to help increase SHBG. With low SHBG TRT should be given with more frequent dosages like 50mg on Monday and again on Thursday. An AI can be thrown in to cover any negative estrogen issues.. i prefer aromasin

doing a smaller dose a couple times a week, won't that also help with any estrogen related issues? Ijust started my first 100mg every 5 days, suppose to do labs 5 days after 3rd shot..

ohiostate2827
05-22-2013, 07:23 PM
doing a smaller dose a couple times a week, won't that also help with any estrogen related issues? Ijust started my first 100mg every 5 days, suppose to do labs 5 days after 3rd shot..
monday and thurs in divided dose is better. wont get the spike in estrogen.. still may have to take an AI.. i had too but everyone is different

dave 236
05-23-2013, 06:32 AM
bioavailable test is the free test and test that is mildly bound to the protein albumin..about 2-3% of all test is free.. and the unbound portion is inactive because it is mostly bound to plasma protein such as the shbg..

a small dose of winstrol even at 10mg ed or eod would allow more of your test to be unbound in a free state if needed...

This^^^ 10-25 mg of winstrol will lower shbg. Throwing in an ai wouldn't be the worst idea either.

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s2h
05-23-2013, 09:58 AM
To flagsup.....I read back thru all your prior posts....kinda a two fold solution...

Taking one 200mg shot of test cyp every 2 weeks will make you feel like...well the way you feel...your endo is very unversed in HRT/TRT...the every 2 week injection method is ancient news and anyone prescribing it is clearly not well informed...might tell him to download the latest dosing guidelines into his PC...cause clearly he has the 2005 version..

So if he won't bump your dose...cause you are "in range"...or even regardless if he does...do NOT inject one time every 2 weeks..

If its 200mg do this..
50mg mon-thurs-mon-thurs--200mg's

Your blood levels will be much more stable...shbg was fine and e2 was fine but I don't recall how long after you injected you got tested...

The 50mg's a pop over those 4 days will make you feel much better...get some ed cialis for the woody issues...not only helps that but bp and prostate health...and helps with viscosity....win win...hell WADA has cialis on the banned list....:)

flagsup
05-23-2013, 08:52 PM
To flagsup.....I read back thru all your prior posts....kinda a two fold solution...

Taking one 200mg shot of test cyp every 2 weeks will make you feel like...well the way you feel...your endo is very unversed in HRT/TRT...the every 2 week injection method is ancient news and anyone prescribing it is clearly not well informed...might tell him to download the latest dosing guidelines into his PC...cause clearly he has the 2005 version..

So if he won't bump your dose...cause you are "in range"...or even regardless if he does...do NOT inject one time every 2 weeks..

If its 200mg do this..
50mg mon-thurs-mon-thurs--200mg's

Your blood levels will be much more stable...shbg was fine and e2 was fine but I don't recall how long after you injected you got tested...

The 50mg's a pop over those 4 days will make you feel much better...get some ed cialis for the woody issues...not only helps that but bp and prostate health...and helps with viscosity....win win...hell WADA has cialis on the banned list....:)

I didn't do the shot every 2 weeks because I knew he was smokin something, I started the 100mg every 7 days and tested 7 days after my 6 shot, that way my endo thought I was testing after my 3 rd shot, for every 2 wks..After my labs I talked to him and told him I was doing once a week but was feeling like crap and tired on day 6-7, that I wanted to up my dose to get closer to 800 on my overall test level, and asked if going every 5 days would be better, he said he wouldn't up my dose because it was an addictable drug but if I wanted to do 100mg every 5 days that was fine but I just needed to do labs 5 days after my 3rd shot, which is June 4th..Feeling like crap and being tired has nothing to do with my test levels because I am in mid range he says..So, I have been doing 100mg every 5 days since. Feel better than every 7 days but still feel a lag in there. My estrogen seems to go up and down, I take arime stage 5 every couple days, and every once in awhile I have to take it every day or I seems to get man boobs poppin out...For the most part my erections are good and strong, every now and then I have issues now..I have heard about a low dose of cialis to go along with trt to optomize sexual performance..I am going to stick with every 5 days until my labs then I will adjust. But you are saying that 50 every mon and thurs is still better than 100 every 5 days?

ohiostate2827
05-23-2013, 09:11 PM
AI can make you feel like crap.. no motibation..tired easy..hows your diet and what supps if any are you taking?

Bonerstomp
05-23-2013, 10:18 PM
What level should your T be at?

ohiostate2827
05-24-2013, 06:03 PM
What level should your T be at?
800-1000 or what makes u feel well. Mine hang in the 600s..free test is what really matters mine is in the 200spg/ml.. Not really into chasing numbers

flagsup
05-24-2013, 07:17 PM
AI can make you feel like crap.. no motibation..tired easy..hows your diet and what supps if any are you taking?

I take arimpct stage 5 for ai, seems to work ok, protein powder breakfast shake, fish oil, maca in my shake for breakfast..

flagsup
05-24-2013, 07:44 PM
AI can make you feel like crap.. no motibation..tired easy..hows your diet and what supps if any are you taking?


also, my diet is high in protein, low carbs and low fat, have always been a healthy eater. Oh, I also take some tribulus. I am 6'1" and weigh 195lbs, bodyfat last tested about 2 months ago was 17%..I workout 5 days a week, intensity is ok, could be better..

ohiostate2827
05-24-2013, 08:08 PM
also, my diet is high in protein, low carbs and low fat, have always been a healthy eater. Oh, I also take some tribulus. I am 6'1" and weigh 195lbs, bodyfat last tested about 2 months ago was 17%..I workout 5 days a week, intensity is ok, could be better..
i would through n some vit d3 5000iu in summer then up it to 10000iu in winter...vit e 400iu with your fish oil.. coq10 50mg per day..believe it or not 50% of my diet is fats..but i dont eat any sugar..sugar causes the body to be inflamed and it raises estrogen.. having a high animal fat diet i still have abs.. some ppl say money is the root of all thats evil...i believe its sugar

flagsup
05-26-2013, 07:27 PM
i would through n some vit d3 5000iu in summer then up it to 10000iu in winter...vit e 400iu with your fish oil.. coq10 50mg per day..believe it or not 50% of my diet is fats..but i dont eat any sugar..sugar causes the body to be inflamed and it raises estrogen.. having a high animal fat diet i still have abs.. some ppl say money is the root of all thats evil...i believe its sugar

Thanks for the advice, I will get on that...My wife and I were just checking out this new calorie counter app for our androids and I couldn't believe how much sugar was in my diet, changing that also..Thanks for all the solid advice..

flagsup
06-07-2013, 05:55 PM
So..I do my labs 5 days after my third shot, since it got switched to pin every 5 days. I get a letter in the mail today from the endo telling me that my estrogen is 31, which is in normal range (0-50) so there is no need to keep checking estrogen...No results on anything else mentioned. wtf..Are they all this stupid? Now, I have to call the nurse monday so she can send me my entire lab workup..what a pain in the ass these docs are..atleast I know my otc ai isn't working worth shit...

ohiostate2827
06-09-2013, 05:12 PM
So..I do my labs 5 days after my third shot, since it got switched to pin every 5 days. I get a letter in the mail today from the endo telling me that my estrogen is 31, which is in normal range (0-50) so there is no need to keep checking estrogen...No results on anything else mentioned. wtf..Are they all this stupid? Now, I have to call the nurse monday so she can send me my entire lab workup..what a pain in the ass these docs are..atleast I know my otc ai isn't working worth shit...
E2 shouldnt be any higher than 42 that scale is wrong .. one doc tried to tell me u can go as low as 3 and as high as 70 WRONG... most ppl are good with 20-30 depending on how they are feeling

flagsup
06-09-2013, 07:21 PM
E2 shouldnt be any higher than 42 that scale is wrong .. one doc tried to tell me u can go as low as 3 and as high as 70 WRONG... most ppl are good with 20-30 depending on how they are feeling

Everytime I bring up estro, my endo shoots it down like it is not something to talk about.I ask him about arimadex and he says no way, that's for women with breast cancer.. I am going to run my own labs on that from now on. I think I got out of my endo all I am going to get. Monday I can call and find out where my test is at..When I ran my estrogen down to 4, I could feel the difference, at 31 it feels really high. When my arimadex comes in I was thinking about starting with a .25 mg twice a week, does that sound alright? It took me post cycle from vital labs and formeron to lower it last time to 4. I thought the over the counter one I was taking was doing good but when I bumped to 100mg every 5 days it wasn't strong enough anymore..still haven't decided on hcg, just trying to get my test squared away first..

jagbender
06-10-2013, 09:19 AM
I have been reading alot and checking out some TRT clinics. Anyone know any around the spokane, wa. area. I found a good one in seattle that charges $20-$40/ week with labs included, does that sound about normal? I appreciate the advice. This axiron makes me nervous when it comes to transferance to my wife. Put it on, wait 3 min to dry, wait 2 hours and wash to have contact with my wife, that shit is messed up...Alot of hassle to be doing for a long time..
This is a GOOD reason to app[roach your doctor about going to injectable Test

jagbender
06-10-2013, 10:29 AM
So..I do my labs 5 days after my third shot, since it got switched to pin every 5 days. I get a letter in the mail today from the endo telling me that my estrogen is 31, which is in normal range (0-50) so there is no need to keep checking estrogen...No results on anything else mentioned. wtf..Are they all this stupid? Now, I have to call the nurse monday so she can send me my entire lab workup..what a pain in the ass these docs are..atleast I know my otc ai isn't working worth shit...


Are you getting your own labs done? Myprivatemd.com will do a female hormone panel for 59.00 (yes Males can use this one) if you sign up and get the news letter you get 15% discount.

ohiostate2827
06-10-2013, 01:12 PM
Everytime I bring up estro, my endo shoots it down like it is not something to talk about.I ask him about arimadex and he says no way, that's for women with breast cancer.. I am going to run my own labs on that from now on. I think I got out of my endo all I am going to get. Monday I can call and find out where my test is at..When I ran my estrogen down to 4, I could feel the difference, at 31 it feels really high. When my arimadex comes in I was thinking about starting with a .25 mg twice a week, does that sound alright? It took me post cycle from vital labs and formeron to lower it last time to 4. I thought the over the counter one I was taking was doing good but when I bumped to 100mg every 5 days it wasn't strong enough anymore..still haven't decided on hcg, just trying to get my test squared away first..
.25mg twice per would be fine

jagbender
06-10-2013, 02:19 PM
Everytime I bring up estro, my endo shoots it down like it is not something to talk about.I ask him about arimadex and he says no way, that's for women with breast cancer.. I am going to run my own labs on that from now on. I think I got out of my endo all I am going to get. Monday I can call and find out where my test is at..When I ran my estrogen down to 4, I could feel the difference, at 31 it feels really high. When my arimadex comes in I was thinking about starting with a .25 mg twice a week, does that sound alright? It took me post cycle from vital labs and formeron to lower it last time to 4. I thought the over the counter one I was taking was doing good but when I bumped to 100mg every 5 days it wasn't strong enough anymore..still haven't decided on hcg, just trying to get my test squared away first..

I am at .125 of adex twice a week on 120 mg testc last labs posted on another thread http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/testosterone-replacement-therapy/182475-trt-estradiol-control.html

I am very sensitive to Adex. running 120 mg test with no adex my e level was 57 taking .25 twice a week it was 7

flagsup
06-13-2013, 08:02 AM
I am at .125 of adex twice a week on 120 mg testc last labs posted on another thread http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/testosterone-replacement-therapy/182475-trt-estradiol-control.html

I am very sensitive to Adex. running 120 mg test with no adex my e level was 57 taking .25 twice a week it was 7

Just got my labs back..Totals on 100mg every 5 days of cypionate, total test 767, free test 265, estrogen 31, shbg 7..Hopefully the endo will leave me there, will find out this morning..I want to get my estro to 15-20, seems to be my sweet spot...Maybe .25 arimadex will do the trick. Yes, I found private labs close to me and checked on the female hormone panel..

flagsup
06-13-2013, 09:51 AM
just talked to the endo this morning, he wants to put me back on one shot every 7 days because he says my levels are too high for him to be comfortable with one shot every 5 days. He also says that one shot every 5 days is too frequent for what is acceptable. So at this point I am asking for any advice to go from here. I am at the point where I have used my endo for all I can. Big Moe, any suggestions? Whst would u do with my results. my lapse in prescription will be about a week and a half and my endo says just tough it out your levels won't fall.what an ass.

ohiostate2827
06-13-2013, 05:12 PM
just talked to the endo this morning, he wants to put me back on one shot every 7 days because he says my levels are too high for him to be comfortable with one shot every 5 days. He also says that one shot every 5 days is too frequent for what is acceptable. So at this point I am asking for any advice to go from here. I am at the point where I have used my endo for all I can. Big Moe, any suggestions? Whst would u do with my results. my lapse in prescription will be about a week and a half and my endo says just tough it out your levels won't fall.what an ass.
time for a new dr.. he has no clue as to what he is doing..he is not up to date on protocols.. When he told you to tough it out it was just his way of saying.. Im not a good dr for TRT.. He is saying their are better drs out in the medical world... If you had cancer or AIDS a dr wouldnt go without giving you your meds and they surly wouldnt say just tough it out.. I really hate cocky retarded drs.. They dont like me either lol

flagsup
06-13-2013, 08:17 PM
time for a new dr.. he has no clue as to what he is doing..he is not up to date on protocols.. When he told you to tough it out it was just his way of saying.. Im not a good dr for TRT.. He is saying their are better drs out in the medical world... If you had cancer or AIDS a dr wouldnt go without giving you your meds and they surly wouldnt say just tough it out.. I really hate cocky retarded drs.. They dont like me either lol

I am tired of dealing with these stupid docs. At this point, I am just trying to figure out if my last labs sound good and if I should stay with every 5 days. I am not going back to every 7 days, my levels were still really low at that. My insurance won't divy up more than a month supply so the doc wrote me a script for 10cc so I might just buy this one outright to get a supply and get some under the radar to supplement for every 5 days..What doc don't know won't hurt him, right..I have a pretty good idea at this point what I need to do, just looking for some insight..

1693
06-14-2013, 12:13 AM
Maybe a4m.com/directory.html (http://www.a4m.com/directory.html) has a doc for you?

ohiostate2827
06-14-2013, 05:36 PM
I am tired of dealing with these stupid docs. At this point, I am just trying to figure out if my last labs sound good and if I should stay with every 5 days. I am not going back to every 7 days, my levels were still really low at that. My insurance won't divy up more than a month supply so the doc wrote me a script for 10cc so I might just buy this one outright to get a supply and get some under the radar to supplement for every 5 days..What doc don't know won't hurt him, right..I have a pretty good idea at this point what I need to do, just looking for some insight..
monday and thursday protocol worked best for me.. my test levels always stayed in the 1100s . no rollercoaster effect

flagsup
06-14-2013, 06:15 PM
monday and thursday protocol worked best for me.. my test levels always stayed in the 1100s . no rollercoaster effect

what are normal free test and bioavailable levels? on 100 mg every 5 days my free test was 279.5 range 46-224 doc says. bioavailable is 562.7 range 110-575, estradiol 32. total test 761.

on 100mg every 7 days total 474, free 123.7, bioavailable 249, estadiol 19

Doc says my free and bioavailable are too high on 100mg every 5 days...You suggest monday and thursday, how should I dose that for perfection? Not just what I can get from endo..The most endo will give me is 100mg every 7 days...

flagsup
06-15-2013, 06:59 AM
Your plan is perfect. I wouldnt care if my doc only gave me 50mgs a week, you just need the script so you can travel with it and all that other stuff. Save your script bottles so you can fill them up with other stuff if needed.

If my levels are on 100mg every 7 days..474 total, 123 free, 249 bioavailable, e2 19, shbg 13, albumin 4.4

100mg every 5 days.761 total, 279 free, 562 bioavailable, e2 32, shbg 7. albumin 4.4.

Doc wants me to go back to every 7 days because says my free test is too high...Would going back to 100mg every 7 or 50mg mon and thurs, starting HCG, arimadex, raise my levels up to exceptable levels..I deffinately feels the difference on 100mg every 5 days but need to control my e2, feels really high. Not sure if I should just stick with what the doc is giving me or start going off grid to bump what I need to bump up in addition to what the doc is giving. What are your thoughts on this with my levels what they are???

independent
06-15-2013, 10:09 AM
Just plead with him first that you feel great now and would like to keep it the way it is. How many days are you testing after your injection? Hcg will definetly give your levels a boost, at least a couple hundred points.

ohiostate2827
06-15-2013, 02:08 PM
what are normal free test and bioavailable levels? on 100 mg every 5 days my free test was 279.5 range 46-224 doc says. bioavailable is 562.7 range 110-575, estradiol 32. total test 761.

on 100mg every 7 days total 474, free 123.7, bioavailable 249, estadiol 19

Doc says my free and bioavailable are too high on 100mg every 5 days...You suggest monday and thursday, how should I dose that for perfection? Not just what I can get from endo..The most endo will give me is 100mg every 7 days...
just do 50mg on mon and 50mg on thurs..its a very small dose..your test levels look fine either way 5 days or 7..only diff is your e2 is lower on the 7day protocol... but instead of chasing and worring about the numbers.. how are you feeling? you could even do 40mg and 40mg... some ppl think they need alot to feel well again

independent
06-15-2013, 03:11 PM
just do 50mg on mon and 50mg on thurs..its a very small dose..your test levels look fine either way 5 days or 7..only diff is your e2 is lower on the 7day protocol... but instead of chasing and worring about the numbers.. how are you feeling? you could even do 40mg and 40mg... some ppl think they need alot to feel well again

This is very true.

flagsup
06-15-2013, 05:48 PM
Just plead with him first that you feel great now and would like to keep it the way it is. How many days are you testing after your injection? Hcg will definetly give your levels a boost, at least a couple hundred points.

I tried pleading with him, he will not budge at all. I tested 5 days after third shot of injecting every 5 days, 7 days after third injection when pinning every 7 days..Anything above 100mg every 7 days is gonna be on me from here on out...

flagsup
06-15-2013, 05:54 PM
just do 50mg on mon and 50mg on thurs..its a very small dose..your test levels look fine either way 5 days or 7..only diff is your e2 is lower on the 7day protocol... but instead of chasing and worring about the numbers.. how are you feeling? you could even do 40mg and 40mg... some ppl think they need alot to feel well again

good point. On 100mg every 7 it is easier to control my estrogen which makes me feel better. The only thing is I get draggin about day 6 and 7..Every 5 days, my e2 is harder to keep in range so I get draggin because of that. I was leaning toward 50 and 50 like you and big moe said but was also looking at putting some hcg in the mix and arimadex...If hcg will raise a couple hundred points and overall well being, that might be the trick to finish this and get dialed in and stay within what my endo will give..

sneedham
06-17-2013, 07:32 PM
good point. On 100mg every 7 it is easier to control my estrogen which makes me feel better. The only thing is I get draggin about day 6 and 7..Every 5 days, my e2 is harder to keep in range so I get draggin because of that. I was leaning toward 50 and 50 like you and big moe said but was also looking at putting some hcg in the mix and arimadex...If hcg will raise a couple hundred points and overall well being, that might be the trick to finish this and get dialed in and stay within what my endo will give..I think you are on the right track with adding a little HCG..For me I feel the HCG the day after inject and it stays with me a couple of days, you will still have to dial in your E2, HCG will raise your E2 levels slightly...Just IMO....

flagsup
06-17-2013, 08:18 PM
I think you are on the right track with adding a little HCG..For me I feel the HCG the day after inject and it stays with me a couple of days, you will still have to dial in your E2, HCG will raise your E2 levels slightly...Just IMO....

Just got my arimedex today , dosing at .25 mon and thurs now. Figured that should do me with e2 around 35, until I can throw in some hcg. When you started taking HCG, did you notice a difference in your libido? So, I am getting that a low dose of test, hcg, arimedex might just be the way to go and stay within my endo script...There is a lab not far from me that I can get female hormone panel done since doc won't test anymore for e2.

flagsup
06-20-2013, 06:15 PM
I think you are on the right track with adding a little HCG..For me I feel the HCG the day after inject and it stays with me a couple of days, you will still have to dial in your E2, HCG will raise your E2 levels slightly...Just IMO....

when you first start taking arimidex, how should it be dosed to get in your system and for how long until you just stay on the twice a week schedule.

sneedham
06-22-2013, 11:21 PM
Just got my arimedex today , dosing at .25 mon and thurs now. Figured that should do me with e2 around 35, until I can throw in some hcg. When you started taking HCG, did you notice a difference in your libido? So, I am getting that a low dose of test, hcg, arimedex might just be the way to go and stay within my endo script...There is a lab not far from me that I can get female hormone panel done since doc won't test anymore for e2.I noticed that my boys dropped and the volume of ejaculate was a little more....And .25 Adex sould be about right for you even after you start the HCG...Remember the HCG wll probably raise your test levels 100-200 points....

sneedham
06-22-2013, 11:25 PM
when you first start taking arimidex, how should it be dosed to get in your system and for how long until you just stay on the twice a week schedule. It will come in pill form, usually 1 mg. Cut it in half with a pill cutter you can get one at walgreens, CVS...etc.. As far as how long to stay on, if you are on TRT you would just stay on it, but double check your levels maybe every three months when you feel you are comfortable....Just my 2 cents...

flagsup
06-24-2013, 07:37 PM
It will come in pill form, usually 1 mg. Cut it in half with a pill cutter you can get one at walgreens, CVS...etc.. As far as how long to stay on, if you are on TRT you would just stay on it, but double check your levels maybe every three months when you feel you are comfortable....Just my 2 cents...

Got my adex in and also found a pill cutter...Yeah, once I feel I got things close to level I found a private lab nearby to run bloods...Doc wrote me a script for a 10cc vial of watson cypionate, sweet...This will last me for awhile..Thanks for all the advice....

ohiostate2827
06-25-2013, 05:33 PM
Got my adex in and also found a pill cutter...Yeah, once I feel I got things close to level I found a private lab nearby to run bloods...Doc wrote me a script for a 10cc vial of watson cypionate, sweet...This will last me for awhile..Thanks for all the advice....
adex will make some ppl very tired.. and when i first started adex i took 1mg on monday and .25mg on thursday. and stayed at .25mg on monday and thursday..dosed in the morn on mon and in the later afteroon on thurs...

Healthy1
06-25-2013, 08:19 PM
It will come in pill form, usually 1 mg. Cut it in half with a pill cutter you can get one at walgreens, CVS...etc.. As far as how long to stay on, if you are on TRT you would just stay on it, but double check your levels maybe every three months when you feel you are comfortable....Just my 2 cents...
I'm confused now. Stay on what as long as on TRT? Stay on hcg or stay on arimidex? I am on Testim gel daily 50mg in 5g tube applied topically. My T level has gone from 200 to 600 in six months.

flagsup
06-27-2013, 07:59 AM
I'm confused now. Stay on what as long as on TRT? Stay on hcg or stay on arimidex? I am on Testim gel daily 50mg in 5g tube applied topically. My T level has gone from 200 to 600 in six months.

I was referring to adex..I am on trt for life...

Healthy1
06-30-2013, 02:40 PM
I was referring to adex..I am on trt for life...
Ok, thanks. I'm thinking I will be a lifer too because my T level drops pretty fast if I go off of it. I am strongly considering the implants though because I hate putting this gel on every day, have to wait for it to dry but shirts always stick to it anyway. Think I will try the Adex at .25 on M and Th myself and see how I feel.

flagsup
07-01-2013, 08:09 PM
Ok, thanks. I'm thinking I will be a lifer too because my T level drops pretty fast if I go off of it. I am strongly considering the implants though because I hate putting this gel on every day, have to wait for it to dry but shirts always stick to it anyway. Think I will try the Adex at .25 on M and Th myself and see how I feel.
I hated axiron, was a pain to try to keep away from my wife and cost me more also to get my test to a mere 367..I am going to start tuesday and friday shots at 50mg each test cyp. I have been taking .25 adex eod but it really doesn't seem to be working all that hot..when I bumped my dose up to 100mg every 5 days, got some gyno from that and not sure what to do about that. I figured the adex would bring it down but it isn't as easy as I thought it would..any advice out there from the been there done that???

Healthy1
07-08-2013, 08:35 AM
I think nolva works better for gyno.

1693
07-08-2013, 11:37 AM
I hated axiron, was a pain to try to keep away from my wife and cost me more also to get my test to a mere 367..I am going to start tuesday and friday shots at 50mg each test cyp. I have been taking .25 adex eod but it really doesn't seem to be working all that hot..when I bumped my dose up to 100mg every 5 days, got some gyno from that and not sure what to do about that. I figured the adex would bring it down but it isn't as easy as I thought it would..any advice out there from the been there done that???

Is your adex legit? Seems like if it was it would be working better for you unless it's not getting into your system. There are places that offer liquid AIs. Maybe try some of the other ones...aromasin, letro....

flagsup
07-09-2013, 08:58 PM
Is your adex legit? Seems like if it was it would be working better for you unless it's not getting into your system. There are places that offer liquid AIs. Maybe try some of the other ones...aromasin, letro....

I got my adex from safemeds, should be good. Currently I am taking .25 every day, 2 days after I pin .50 for a couple days, keeps me feeling good, and 40 mg nolva because I developed some gyno when I bumped my test up..just seems like I am doing way too much adex but even though I haven't been tested, my e2 is not crashed..it actually seems to stays on the higher range...Been checking into some of the liquids to see if it works any better. I did formastanzol and and an otc pct product and it shot my e2 to 4..

ohiostate2827
07-11-2013, 03:10 PM
i would get rid of the Nolva.. too much stress on the liver..unless you have yeast over growth in ur gut or your liver isnt working well to rid the body of estrogen.. then you shouldnt need anything more then adex twice per week to keep things in order

flagsup
07-13-2013, 06:38 AM
i would get rid of the Nolva.. too much stress on the liver..unless you have yeast over growth in ur gut or your liver isnt working well to rid the body of estrogen.. then you shouldnt need anything more then adex twice per week to keep things in order

I am looking into liquidex, have you heard anything on that? Thought it might work better for me..

flagsup
08-05-2013, 07:32 AM
I am looking into liquidex, have you heard anything on that? Thought it might work better for me..


I just has my labs done with Private Labs friday aug 2nd, this was 2 months after endo put me back on 100mg every 7 days but I have been pinning 50 mg every 3.5 days, and taking .25 adex everyday..The test was done on the afternoon after I pinned that day...I need some advice where these labs are, there are some low spots and still looking at ways to up my levels some...

Test Name Result Flag Reference Range Lab
CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 5.8 4.0-10.5 x10E3/uL SE
RBC 5.21 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL SE
Hemoglobin 15.6 12.6-17.7 g/dL SE
Hematocrit 46.5 37.5-51.0 % SE
MCV 89 79-97 fL SE
MCH 29.9 26.6-33.0 pg SE
MCHC 33.5 31.5-35.7 g/dL SE
RDW 13.3 12.3-15.4 % SE
Platelets 205 140-415 x10E3/uL SE
Neutrophils 57 40-74 % SE
Lymphs 34 14-46 % SE
Monocytes 6 4-13 % SE
Eos 2 0-7 % SE
Basos 1 0-3 % SE
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.3 1.8-7.8 x10E3/uL SE
Lymphs (Absolute) 2.0 0.7-4.5 x10E3/uL SE
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.4 0.1-1.0 x10E3/uL SE
Eos (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL SE
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL SE
Immature Granulocytes 0 0-2 % SE
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL SE
Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose, Serum 78 65-99 mg/dL SE
BUN 22 6-24 mg/dL SE
Creatinine, Serum 1.21 0.76-1.27 mg/dL SE
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 72 >59 mL/min/1.73 SE
eGFR If Africn Am 83 >59 mL/min/1.73 SE
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 18 9-20 SE
Sodium, Serum 141 134-144 mmol/L SE
Potassium, Serum 3.7 3.5-5.2 mmol/L SE
Chloride, Serum 106 97-108 mmol/L SE
Carbon Dioxide, Total 22 19-28 mmol/L SE
Calcium, Serum 8.4 LOW 8.7-10.2 mg/dL SE
Protein, Total, Serum 6.2 6.0-8.5 g/dL SE
Albumin, Serum 4.1 3.5-5.5 g/dL SE
Globulin, Total 2.1 1.5-4.5 g/dL SE
A/G Ratio 2.0 1.1-2.5 SE
Bilirubin, Total 0.4 0.0-1.2 mg/dL SE
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 65 44-102 IU/L SE
AST (SGOT) 27 0-40 IU/L SE
ALT (SGPT) 18 0-44 IU/L SE
Testosterone, Serum
Testosterone, Serum 595 348-1197 ng/dL SE
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S
LH <0.2 LOW 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL SE
FSH, Serum
FSH 0.3 LOW 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL SE
Estradiol
Estradiol 14.1 7.6-42.6 pg/mL SE
Roche ECLIA

Presser
08-05-2013, 09:31 AM
I just has my labs done with Private Labs friday aug 2nd, this was 2 months after endo put me back on 100mg every 7 days but I have been pinning 50 mg every 3.5 days, and taking .25 adex everyday..The test was done on the afternoon after I pinned that day...I need some advice where these labs are, there are some low spots and still looking at ways to up my levels some...

Test Name Result Flag Reference Range Lab
CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 5.8 4.0-10.5 x10E3/uL SE
RBC 5.21 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL SE
Hemoglobin 15.6 12.6-17.7 g/dL SE
Hematocrit 46.5 37.5-51.0 % SE
MCV 89 79-97 fL SE
MCH 29.9 26.6-33.0 pg SE
MCHC 33.5 31.5-35.7 g/dL SE
RDW 13.3 12.3-15.4 % SE
Platelets 205 140-415 x10E3/uL SE
Neutrophils 57 40-74 % SE
Lymphs 34 14-46 % SE
Monocytes 6 4-13 % SE
Eos 2 0-7 % SE
Basos 1 0-3 % SE
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.3 1.8-7.8 x10E3/uL SE
Lymphs (Absolute) 2.0 0.7-4.5 x10E3/uL SE
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.4 0.1-1.0 x10E3/uL SE
Eos (Absolute) 0.1 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL SE
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL SE
Immature Granulocytes 0 0-2 % SE
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL SE
Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose, Serum 78 65-99 mg/dL SE
BUN 22 6-24 mg/dL SE
Creatinine, Serum 1.21 0.76-1.27 mg/dL SE
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 72 >59 mL/min/1.73 SE
eGFR If Africn Am 83 >59 mL/min/1.73 SE
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 18 9-20 SE
Sodium, Serum 141 134-144 mmol/L SE
Potassium, Serum 3.7 3.5-5.2 mmol/L SE
Chloride, Serum 106 97-108 mmol/L SE
Carbon Dioxide, Total 22 19-28 mmol/L SE
Calcium, Serum 8.4 LOW 8.7-10.2 mg/dL SE
Protein, Total, Serum 6.2 6.0-8.5 g/dL SE
Albumin, Serum 4.1 3.5-5.5 g/dL SE
Globulin, Total 2.1 1.5-4.5 g/dL SE
A/G Ratio 2.0 1.1-2.5 SE
Bilirubin, Total 0.4 0.0-1.2 mg/dL SE
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 65 44-102 IU/L SE
AST (SGOT) 27 0-40 IU/L SE
ALT (SGPT) 18 0-44 IU/L SE
Testosterone, Serum
Testosterone, Serum 595 348-1197 ng/dL SE
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S
LH <0.2 LOW 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL SE
FSH, Serum
FSH 0.3 LOW 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL SE
Estradiol
Estradiol 14.1 7.6-42.6 pg/mL SE
Roche ECLIA

Doubt an endo will prescribe more T than that looking at your labs. You could always find a low cost TRT clinic, they will get you to the top of the range, at least mine does & I feel great now.

flagsup
08-05-2013, 07:56 PM
Doubt an endo will prescribe more T than that looking at your labs. You could always find a low cost TRT clinic, they will get you to the top of the range, at least mine does & I feel great now.

Na, my endo is tapped out on what he will do..I get my adex from an online store because he is very unaware of all that and won't even test e2 anymore..Most days I feel good, nothing really above the charts to talk about but not draggin on most days either..My libido is also here and there also...Now that I am on a good level, thinkin bout adding in HCG and seeing if that will up my mood and level a bit...Seems like I am taking too much adex but it just doesn't seem to work all that hot for me if I dose smaller...

flagsup
08-05-2013, 07:58 PM
Na, my endo is tapped out on what he will do..I get my adex from an online store because he is very unaware of all that and won't even test e2 anymore..Most days I feel good, nothing really above the charts to talk about but not draggin on most days either..My libido is also here and there also...Now that I am on a good level, thinkin bout adding in HCG and seeing if that will up my mood and level a bit...Seems like I am taking too much adex but it just doesn't seem to work all that hot for me if I dose smaller...

I have read some on low dosing clomid to help raise levels some, any input on this????

independent
08-05-2013, 08:44 PM
Clomid is nasty. Just bump your test dose up a little. Dose your adex eod.

flagsup
08-06-2013, 08:00 AM
Clomid is nasty. Just bump your test dose up a little. Dose your adex eod.

I was trying to not have to go off grid to get my test, if I bump my test up I will have to do that....Sounds good on adex, do you use pills or liquid? Was kinda tossed on some reviews on clomid so wasn't sure. It sure does make a big difference pinning every 3.5 days then 7 days though...Now that I have things on a level, just want to bump things up some...

independent
08-06-2013, 10:15 AM
I was trying to not have to go off grid to get my test, if I bump my test up I will have to do that....Sounds good on adex, do you use pills or liquid? Was kinda tossed on some reviews on clomid so wasn't sure. It sure does make a big difference pinning every 3.5 days then 7 days though...Now that I have things on a level, just want to bump things up some...

I was using pills, script.

sneedham
08-06-2013, 10:29 AM
I was using pills, script.Bigmoe knows his stuff...Like he said try and up the T you are still on the low end and add the adex like bigmoe suggested and start using HCG that will also bring your test levels up a little.....250 iu twice a week on the hcg... You should start out by doing HCG 250iu 5-6 days in a row to kick start....BTW I have been in your exact spot and that is what I did and it worked...

flagsup
08-06-2013, 08:10 PM
Bigmoe knows his stuff...Like he said try and up the T you are still on the low end and add the adex like bigmoe suggested and start using HCG that will also bring your test levels up a little.....250 iu twice a week on the hcg... You should start out by doing HCG 250iu 5-6 days in a row to kick start....BTW I have been in your exact spot and that is what I did and it worked...

well I can't up my test without ordering some from a sponsor here, my script will run out too soon. Not sure if i want to chance that just yet..I have been following your post sneedham and your talk with Big Moe, adding HCG might just give me that boost in my test and overall good feeling. I can't have kids so not concerned in that area but it will help raise my test and feeling good, then great..BTW, how are you feeling these days since you started your HCG? Is it normal to have such low LH and FSH while on trt?

MuscleGauge1
08-06-2013, 08:29 PM
I think you should consider a second opinion. From what it looks like this doctor really isn't doing the best for you at all. I think you should consider talking to someone else about your options. Estrogen levels are really different with everyone.

flagsup
08-08-2013, 07:39 PM
I think you should consider a second opinion. From what it looks like this doctor really isn't doing the best for you at all. I think you should consider talking to someone else about your options. Estrogen levels are really different with everyone.

He told me if I wanted to bump it up more than I needed to find another doctor..So, are endo's or urologists better for TRT?

Healthy1
08-09-2013, 05:32 AM
He told me if I wanted to bump it up more than I needed to find another doctor..So, are endo's or urologists better for TRT?

I was seeing a urologist but he only kept me in the 600's. I just signed up with an online TRT clinic. They will get and keep your level around 1200. You have to submit a copy of a physical that was done within the last year then you have a 1 hour phone consult with their Dr to discuss your labs and program details. There is a $450 enrollment fee but if I get you a discount code then it's only $299 and that covers all your labs and the consult fee. They provide everything like the test c, AI, HCG and they have HGH and nutrition plans available too. It's about $125 per month when you average it out over a year which I think is great. PM me if you would like the discount code. Please note that I do not work there, I am just a client there.

flagsup
08-09-2013, 07:46 AM
I was seeing a urologist but he only kept me in the 600's. I just signed up with an online TRT clinic. They will get and keep your level around 1200. You have to submit a copy of a physical that was done within the last year then you have a 1 hour phone consult with their Dr to discuss your labs and program details. There is a $450 enrollment fee but if I get you a discount code then it's only $299 and that covers all your labs and the consult fee. They provide everything like the test c, AI, HCG and they have HGH and nutrition plans available too. It's about $125 per month when you average it out over a year which I think is great. PM me if you would like the discount code. Please note that I do not work there, I am just a client there.

That sounds pretty reasonable, let me discuss with my wife first. Do you have to go see the doctor once a year also?

Healthy1
08-09-2013, 07:50 AM
That sounds pretty reasonable, let me discuss with my wife first. Do you have to go see the doctor once a year also?

You need to submit a physical once a year and it can be from your own Dr. You should be getting that done whether for TRT purposes or not. Just saying.

s2h
08-09-2013, 11:33 AM
cut your adex back like Moe said too eod..your e2 is on the lower side...that will help..

are you taking a diuretic daily like HCTZ?..it looks like it in your labs..

flagsup
08-11-2013, 04:25 PM
cut your adex back like Moe said too eod..your e2 is on the lower side...that will help..

are you taking a diuretic daily like HCTZ?..it looks like it in your labs..

I cut back to eod, and no I am not taking a diuretic, except 1 cup coffee a day...I take some fiber, maca, tribulus, in my protein shake and vit e, d3, co q10. I have tried to keep sthings at a minimum until I get things dialed in some..

flagsup
08-11-2013, 04:29 PM
You need to submit a physical once a year and it can be from your own Dr. You should be getting that done whether for TRT purposes or not. Just saying.
I do get a physical once a year and wife didn't think that was too bad, just wanted to wait till october if thats what I wanted to do..she knows the bullshit I have had with doc, she don't really care as long as it doesn't effect my libido..lol

independent
08-12-2013, 10:38 AM
I do get a physical once a year and wife didn't think that was too bad, just wanted to wait till october if thats what I wanted to do..she knows the bullshit I have had with doc, she don't really care as long as it doesn't effect my libido..lol

Keep your doc and just add a bit more test on your own. Probably much cheaper than a clinic.

flagsup
08-13-2013, 07:51 AM
Keep your doc and just add a bit more test on your own. Probably much cheaper than a clinic.

with seeing my labs Big Moe, what would your recommendation be...Test, HCG, Adex?? And if I supplement test, how long should I come down on my dose before I run labs for endo?

independent
08-13-2013, 10:54 AM
with seeing my labs Big Moe, what would your recommendation be...Test, HCG, Adex?? And if I supplement test, how long should I come down on my dose before I run labs for endo?

I think hcg will get you in the sweet spot but a little more test could do the same. Hcg does make the body produce other hormones that you might be lacking. Its worth trying and cheap.

flagsup
08-13-2013, 08:05 PM
I think hcg will get you in the sweet spot but a little more test could do the same. Hcg does make the body produce other hormones that you might be lacking. Its worth trying and cheap.

That is also an option I was looking at, deffinately easier for me to get and cheap...You said it also raises e2 levels, it seems like I take quite a bit of adex now, do I then go .25 ed?

independent
08-13-2013, 09:23 PM
That is also an option I was looking at, deffinately easier for me to get and cheap...You said it also raises e2 levels, it seems like I take quite a bit of adex now, do I then go .25 ed?

Honestly just a 150mgs of test a week, no ai or hcg would be much simpler and could get you where you want.

Healthy1
08-14-2013, 05:20 AM
That is also an option I was looking at, deffinately easier for me to get and cheap...You said it also raises e2 levels, it seems like I take quite a bit of adex now, do I then go .25 ed?

$125/mo average and the clinic MD will manage all that for you. He will tell you what you need to take and how much of everything. Why would you want to guess at these things? I have already done all the research you're trying to do now. By the time you get and pay for all your labs, pay for your physical and pay for your test, AI, and HCG then you're really not going to save much money at all doing this on your own and you're probably going to waste time and money trying to figure out your sweet spot when a Dr can do it a lot faster. I would recommend going with a clinic for at least a year and let the medical professionals get you dialed in on what you need. If you want to manage it on your own after that then at least you'll probably know more about what you're doing instead of trying to learn by trial and error.

flagsup
08-15-2013, 08:36 PM
[QUOTE=Healthy1;3134619]$125/mo average and the clinic MD will manage all that for you. He will tell you what you need to take and how much of everything. Why would you want to guess at these things? I have already done all the research you're trying to do now. By the time you get and pay for all your labs, pay for your physical and pay for your test, AI, and HCG then you're really not going to save much money at all doing this on your own and you're probably going to waste time and money trying to figure out your sweet spot when a Dr can do it a lot faster. I would recommend going with a clinic for at least a year and let the medical professionals get you dialed in on what you need. If you want to manage it on your own after that then at least you'll probably know more about what you're doing instead of trying to learn by trial and error.[/QUOT

Big Moe seems to know his shit...I am trying to get as much info as I can and decide what is right for me...I have checked into trt clinics but they all run $199/month and I can't afford that. i have insurance so my labs run there don't cost anything, when I run at private labs, costs me $59 every couple of months, my test runs $105 about every 4 months at where I am at. I am curious about what you talk about compared to what I pay now...Is this payed out in lump sections?

Healthy1
08-16-2013, 05:26 AM
[QUOTE=Healthy1;3134619]$125/mo average and the clinic MD will manage all that for you. He will tell you what you need to take and how much of everything. Why would you want to guess at these things? I have already done all the research you're trying to do now. By the time you get and pay for all your labs, pay for your physical and pay for your test, AI, and HCG then you're really not going to save much money at all doing this on your own and you're probably going to waste time and money trying to figure out your sweet spot when a Dr can do it a lot faster. I would recommend going with a clinic for at least a year and let the medical professionals get you dialed in on what you need. If you want to manage it on your own after that then at least you'll probably know more about what you're doing instead of trying to learn by trial and error.[/QUOT

Big Moe seems to know his shit...I am trying to get as much info as I can and decide what is right for me...I have checked into trt clinics but they all run $199/month and I can't afford that. i have insurance so my labs run there don't cost anything, when I run at private labs, costs me $59 every couple of months, my test runs $105 about every 4 months at where I am at. I am curious about what you talk about compared to what I pay now...Is this payed out in lump sections?

Bigmoe does know his shit and he'll be the first to tell you that a reg dr will just keep you in the lower ranges so you're still going to have to supplement that and who knows what kind of quality gear you will be getting. Clinic will keep you in the high range with pharma quality.

Full metabolic labs every 6 months including consult is $170 ($340 a year), 10 mL test C is $129 ($670 a year @200mL per week), hCG is $40 for 5,000iu ($416 a year @ 1,000iu a week), Anastrazole $62 a year at Walgreen's (ten 1g tabs = $12, dosed at 0.5g 2X a week)

That's $1,488 a year or $124 a month.

tarheels15
08-16-2013, 09:18 AM
$124 a month is pretty damn good, everywhere Ive checked is over 200 a month. Thats with less test and hcg.

independent
08-16-2013, 10:22 AM
[QUOTE=Healthy1;3134619]$125/mo average and the clinic MD will manage all that for you. He will tell you what you need to take and how much of everything. Why would you want to guess at these things? I have already done all the research you're trying to do now. By the time you get and pay for all your labs, pay for your physical and pay for your test, AI, and HCG then you're really not going to save much money at all doing this on your own and you're probably going to waste time and money trying to figure out your sweet spot when a Dr can do it a lot faster. I would recommend going with a clinic for at least a year and let the medical professionals get you dialed in on what you need. If you want to manage it on your own after that then at least you'll probably know more about what you're doing instead of trying to learn by trial and error.[/QUOT

Big Moe seems to know his shit...I am trying to get as much info as I can and decide what is right for me...I have checked into trt clinics but they all run $199/month and I can't afford that. i have insurance so my labs run there don't cost anything, when I run at private labs, costs me $59 every couple of months, my test runs $105 about every 4 months at where I am at. I am curious about what you talk about compared to what I pay now...Is this payed out in lump sections?

One of the main reasons i like hcg is its like a safety net, if you ever need to come off trt you are only partially shut down, makes it easier to recover. On the flip side, hcg causes a raise in e2 and you have to do 2 additional injections a week and have to use an ai which probably could be avoided on only 150mgs of test. Trt can be a juggling act that gets old real quick so keeping it as simple as possible makes it much easier to manage. I currently went of trt due to hair shedding, so im reevaluating my situation.

flagsup
08-16-2013, 05:39 PM
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Bigmoe does know his shit and he'll be the first to tell you that a reg dr will just keep you in the lower ranges so you're still going to have to supplement that and who knows what kind of quality gear you will be getting. Clinic will keep you in the high range with pharma quality.

Full metabolic labs every 6 months including consult is $170 ($340 a year), 10 mL test C is $129 ($670 a year @200mL per week), hCG is $40 for 5,000iu ($416 a year @ 1,000iu a week), Anastrazole $62 a year at Walgreen's (ten 1g tabs = $12, dosed at 0.5g 2X a week)

That's $1,488 a year or $124 a month.

That's pretty dang good. Right now, with my script, labs, arimidex, buying hcg, extra test, runs me 95/month but you are right about not sure what test I am getting.That part does bother me.. Do you actually get a perscription from the doctor? Do you have to go see him in person once a year? If you don't require the full 200 mg/week is the price adjusted or is it an all inclusive deal no matter what dose you take? You said there is an initial cost, is it then payed out every month throughout the year or is there a couple lump sums through the year? I have just heard so much on HCG not being necessary unless you are still wanting kids, I don't, but others also stand behind that HCG does the body good anyways...I like that you put this all together in figures, thank you for that...

flagsup
08-16-2013, 05:46 PM
[QUOTE=flagsup;3135262]

One of the main reasons i like hcg is its like a safety net, if you ever need to come off trt you are only partially shut down, makes it easier to recover. On the flip side, hcg causes a raise in e2 and you have to do 2 additional injections a week and have to use an ai which probably could be avoided on only 150mgs of test. Trt can be a juggling act that gets old real quick so keeping it as simple as possible makes it much easier to manage. I currently went of trt due to hair shedding, so im reevaluating my situation.

How is that making you feel now? Are you being able to kick back after all this time? My e2 always seems to rise very easily..Even when I did a small cycle of prohormones, my e2 went up and I had to take stuff to lower that. I cut back to eod like you suggested and it seems to be working good.

Healthy1
08-16-2013, 06:05 PM
So far I had to pay the $299 initial fee up front and that covered the first labs and consult fee. My consult with the Dr is on Monday and is by telephone. You can see your own Dr annually and just give the clinic Dr a copy of each yearly physical. I would assume that after the consult he'll prescribe a program for me then when I pay for it they will overnight my meds. I'm sure prices would be lower for a lesser dose or less meds in general. I'm just putting the charges on a credit card then will pay $125/mo on the card and that should keep it paid down. Another dude actually posted the numbers up so I can't take credit for that but anyway I hope it helps.

flagsup
08-16-2013, 07:43 PM
So far I had to pay the $299 initial fee up front and that covered the first labs and consult fee. My consult with the Dr is on Monday and is by telephone. You can see your own Dr annually and just give the clinic Dr a copy of each yearly physical. I would assume that after the consult he'll prescribe a program for me then when I pay for it they will overnight my meds. I'm sure prices would be lower for a lesser dose or less meds in general. I'm just putting the charges on a credit card then will pay $125/mo on the card and that should keep it paid down. Another dude actually posted the numbers up so I can't take credit for that but anyway I hope it helps.

Helps out alot, thank-you. I will be in touch..

sneedham
08-27-2013, 11:04 AM
well I can't up my test without ordering some from a sponsor here, my script will run out too soon. Not sure if i want to chance that just yet..I have been following your post sneedham and your talk with Big Moe, adding HCG might just give me that boost in my test and overall good feeling. I can't have kids so not concerned in that area but it will help raise my test and feeling good, then great..BTW, how are you feeling these days since you started your HCG? Is it normal to have such low LH and FSH while on trt?

Flagsup I am doing great..I did stop the hcg but that is because I used it all...lol the hcg did give me a better overall feeling..and yes your lh and fsh will be low...

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flagsup
08-27-2013, 02:39 PM
in your opinion, if you had the choice to either bump bump it up by using HCG or by throwing a little more test in there, what would you do.I have been reading your logs and you went through exactly what I'm going through now.

sneedham
08-27-2013, 04:18 PM
in your opinion, if you had the choice to either bump bump it up by using HCG or by throwing a little more test in there, what would you do.I have been reading your logs and you went through exactly what I'm going through now.

Imo I would bump the test..

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flagsup
08-28-2013, 07:22 AM
Ok, thanks for all your input. Its very helpful.

flood
08-29-2013, 12:27 AM
Ok, thanks for all your input. Its very helpful.
I'm in WA too and a guy says he'll PM me when his post count is high enough on another board. PM me and I'll let you know how I'm doing too.
One Dr refused to help me so far, not familiar.
Keep me posted bro.

s2h
08-29-2013, 03:11 AM
I cut back to eod, and no I am not taking a diuretic, except 1 cup coffee a day...I take some fiber, maca, tribulus, in my protein shake and vit e, d3, co q10. I have tried to keep sthings at a minimum until I get things dialed in some..

Cut your adex back to .5mg the day after you inject only(so 2 x ew total)....this will bring your estrogen up just a little....its a bit low....you could use a mineral OTC supp also...your a little low in those values also...

I just got labs back a week ago from my bi-yearly TRT appt..

I was on 200mg ew Watson Cyp(split 100mg Mon&Thursday)
3 caps IML Cyanostane
12.5mg aromasin(Tuesday&Friday)
5mg cialis ed(purchase peptides liquid)
25mcg cytomel(pp liquid)

Serum Testoterone-1376ng/dl(350-1000 scale)
Free Testosterone-556ng/dl(35-150 scale)

So my total test was about where it should be...but free test was the highest its ever been on that dose...hell almost any dose....lol...prior it was in the 225-250 range...e2 was slightly low normal....

So what help drive the free test #?..idk for sure...first set of labs on cyanostane and/or cialis....I'm gonna retest in. a month minus the cyanostane and get a look at that..

But for sure on TRT I have found that dosing the AI the days after the injection while test is starting to peak it allows for more free test....also find that Aromasin works better then Arimidex for me...

Its possible that the cyanostane blinded some with the SHBG allowing more free test...high serum levels are cool to look at but free unbound test is what matters the most....

Good luck in your quest for more free test...

OldSchoolLifter
08-29-2013, 08:29 AM
Good luck in your quest for more free test...


Your a poet and didn't even know it.

s2h
08-29-2013, 09:06 AM
Your a poet and didn't even know it.

I know how to rhyme but only sometime:)

flagsup
08-29-2013, 07:17 PM
Cut your adex back to .5mg the day after you inject only(so 2 x ew total)....this will bring your estrogen up just a little....its a bit low....you could use a mineral OTC supp also...your a little low in those values also...

I just got labs back a week ago from my bi-yearly TRT appt..

I was on 200mg ew Watson Cyp(split 100mg Mon&Thursday)
3 caps IML Cyanostane
12.5mg aromasin(Tuesday&Friday)
5mg cialis ed(purchase peptides liquid)
25mcg cytomel(pp liquid)

Serum Testoterone-1376ng/dl(350-1000 scale)
Free Testosterone-556ng/dl(35-150 scale)

So my total test was about where it should be...but free test was the highest its ever been on that dose...hell almost any dose....lol...prior it was in the 225-250 range...e2 was slightly low normal....

So what help drive the free test #?..idk for sure...first set of labs on cyanostane and/or cialis....I'm gonna retest in. a month minus the cyanostane and get a look at that..

But for sure on TRT I have found that dosing the AI the days after the injection while test is starting to peak it allows for more free test....also find that Aromasin works better then Arimidex for me...

Its possible that the cyanostane blinded some with the SHBG allowing more free test...high serum levels are cool to look at but free unbound test is what matters the most....

Good luck in your quest for more free test...


I was thinkin about trying aromasin, dose day after like the arimidex? 12.5 or is that too high? I have used cyanostane before with good luck, was wondering about running with TRT dose...

flagsup
08-29-2013, 07:28 PM
Cut your adex back to .5mg the day after you inject only(so 2 x ew total)....this will bring your estrogen up just a little....its a bit low....you could use a mineral OTC supp also...your a little low in those values also...

I just got labs back a week ago from my bi-yearly TRT appt..

I was on 200mg ew Watson Cyp(split 100mg Mon&Thursday)
3 caps IML Cyanostane
12.5mg aromasin(Tuesday&Friday)
5mg cialis ed(purchase peptides liquid)
25mcg cytomel(pp liquid)

Serum Testoterone-1376ng/dl(350-1000 scale)
Free Testosterone-556ng/dl(35-150 scale)

So my total test was about where it should be...but free test was the highest its ever been on that dose...hell almost any dose....lol...prior it was in the 225-250 range...e2 was slightly low normal....

So what help drive the free test #?..idk for sure...first set of labs on cyanostane and/or cialis....I'm gonna retest in. a month minus the cyanostane and get a look at that..

But for sure on TRT I have found that dosing the AI the days after the injection while test is starting to peak it allows for more free test....also find that Aromasin works better then Arimidex for me...

Its possible that the cyanostane blinded some with the SHBG allowing more free test...high serum levels are cool to look at but free unbound test is what matters the most....

Good luck in your quest for more free test...

vit d3 5000mg ,.vit e 400iu,.. coq10 50mg per day. fish oil 3000mg I also take every day. what minerals are you referring to???

flagsup
11-03-2013, 07:28 AM
vit d3 5000mg ,.vit e 400iu,.. coq10 50mg per day. fish oil 3000mg I also take every day. what minerals are you referring to???

Have to admit, this stuff is hard to dial in...Jut did my next round of labs with endo and waiting for results..Still on his 100 mg test cyp 2x/week split in 50 mg inj..Dropped back to .25 adex not eod but e2day..My libido has gone down with nightime erections few here and there. I am getting some water retention and man boobs are showing up, energy level is soso, sleep pattern is a little off, also my nips are tender, but only left one, have a little acne showing up on back..Thinkin about going to 150mg/wk split in two doses every 3.5 days. am looking for some info on what you guys think with adex, estrogen and where to take this...Of course endo wouldn't run e2 again, says don't need it..Thinking about maybe trying some aromasin or formestane to see if it would work better. When my tests come back will know if sides from adex is affecting my lipids.... kinda stumped..

independent
11-03-2013, 10:16 AM
If your nips are tender you have high e2. Dont up your test dose because it will get worse. Sounds like you need to up your ai dosage. Insist on e2 labs or get them done yourself asap. You would probably do better on aromasin too.

flood
11-03-2013, 10:49 AM
If your nips are tender you have high e2. Dont up your test dose because it will get worse. Sounds like you need to up your ai dosage. Insist on e2 labs or get them done yourself asap. You would probably do better on aromasin too.
Good to know & sound advice. I'm looking at this now, nips very slightly tender ew to eow. My endo is opposed to AI citing a new study showing it increases inrta-abdominal fat.

On 60mg/day Axiron now. He agreed to let me do IM cyp starting next week.
Here's my labs if anyone could help/advise;
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/testosterone-replacement-therapy/188285-testosterone-gel-question-axiron-pump.html
5th post down.

Don't mean to hijack the thread flagsup but we're in the same boat- :fistbump:

flagsup
11-03-2013, 03:59 PM
If your nips are tender you have high e2. Dont up your test dose because it will get worse. Sounds like you need to up your ai dosage. Insist on e2 labs or get them done yourself asap. You would probably do better on aromasin too.

Thanks big moe..Wasn't quite sure if I was dealing with high or low e2, but yes, going to get to private lab soon to check if endo won't do e2 test also..Do you think adding some tamox will help with decreasing man boobs? They just seem like they are getting more fatty, and my bf is still 17%. Diet is clean, high protein and low carbs. Just kinda stumped but it just seems like I take alot of adex. The last time I took formestane in big dose, dropped my e2 to 4. With aromasin, is that taken 12.5mg twice a week?

flagsup
11-03-2013, 04:01 PM
Good to know & sound advice. I'm looking at this now, nips very slightly tender ew to eow. My endo is opposed to AI citing a new study showing it increases inrta-abdominal fat.

On 60mg/day Axiron now. He agreed to let me do IM cyp starting next week.
Here's my labs if anyone could help/advise;
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/testosterone-replacement-therapy/188285-testosterone-gel-question-axiron-pump.html
5th post down.

Don't mean to hijack the thread flagsup but we're in the same boat- :fistbump:
It's all good, we are all here to learn from those who have been there..Big moe knows his shit..

independent
11-03-2013, 05:21 PM
Thanks big moe..Wasn't quite sure if I was dealing with high or low e2, but yes, going to get to private lab soon to check if endo won't do e2 test also..Do you think adding some tamox will help with decreasing man boobs? They just seem like they are getting more fatty, and my bf is still 17%. Diet is clean, high protein and low carbs. Just kinda stumped but it just seems like I take alot of adex. The last time I took formestane in big dose, dropped my e2 to 4. With aromasin, is that taken 12.5mg twice a week?

Get labs first and we can go from there. You could need 12mgs of aromasin eod. Not sure about the nolva. Also dont change anything until you get labs done.

flagsup
11-03-2013, 05:39 PM
Get labs first and we can go from there. You could need 12mgs of aromasin eod. Not sure about the nolva. Also dont change anything until you get labs done.

My labs are done but my endo apt. is on the 13th so I will find out what Doc has to say and what my labs are..If I can't get him to run e2 I will get it throught labcorp. will post it soon. thanks Big Moe

independent
11-03-2013, 06:30 PM
My labs are done but my endo apt. is on the 13th so I will find out what Doc has to say and what my labs are..If I can't get him to run e2 I will get it throught labcorp. will post it soon. thanks Big Moe

Tell him you want a serum estradiol test. If he says no ask him why not since hes not paying for it.

zdudezdud
11-03-2013, 06:53 PM
If I were you I would go to Private MD - Buy Lab Tests Online (http://www.privatemdlabs.com/) and get your tests done cheap fast and you can pick and choose what you want. I get labs done by my doc 2x a year but I like to know what is going on when I feel like shit or when I feel good then I know for sure. Get E2 sensitive test along with total test free test etc.. Then when you know what your test levels are say at 150mg cyp a week you would only have to get the sensitive E2 test done which is like 48 or 68 dollars. 90% of the time when you don't feel right it has to do with your E2 on TRT.
At least the above is what works for me. I like to have control of what is going on in my body. Screw the doc telling me he is not going to treat something because he found a study saying this or that, for every study he finds saying something neg I can find one that say something positive. He is not the one who is going to get gyno or not be able to get hard right?
Anyway hope you get things under control

Machmood
11-03-2013, 07:42 PM
What's your guys thoughts on exemestane vs arimidex. Which is safer?

flagsup
11-03-2013, 08:46 PM
Tell him you want a serum estradiol test. If he says no ask him why not since hes not paying for it.
I have been telling him to run e2 serum but since my labs show fine so far on e2 he says he cannot justify it. He is really an idiot but I get my script, thats really all I want from him. Found a sponsor to get the rest cyp I need so all is good there. I will get the rest of my labs checked by private labs..

flagsup
11-03-2013, 08:52 PM
If I were you I would go to Private MD - Buy Lab Tests Online (http://www.privatemdlabs.com/) and get your tests done cheap fast and you can pick and choose what you want. I get labs done by my doc 2x a year but I like to know what is going on when I feel like shit or when I feel good then I know for sure. Get E2 sensitive test along with total test free test etc.. Then when you know what your test levels are say at 150mg cyp a week you would only have to get the sensitive E2 test done which is like 48 or 68 dollars. 90% of the time when you don't feel right it has to do with your E2 on TRT.
At least the above is what works for me. I like to have control of what is going on in my body. Screw the doc telling me he is not going to treat something because he found a study saying this or that, for every study he finds saying something neg I can find one that say something positive. He is not the one who is going to get gyno or not be able to get hard right?
Anyway hope you get things under control

I here ya there. I had private labs do them once before in between my endo visits. $59 is what I pay for that, if I can't get endo to run e2 I will through private labs again. I try to atleast get them done every couple months..surprising how much these endo's are stupid on this subject..

chocolatemalt
11-04-2013, 07:03 AM
I here ya there. I had private labs do them once before in between my endo visits. $59 is what I pay for that, if I can't get endo to run e2 I will through private labs again. I try to atleast get them done every couple months..surprising how much these endo's are stupid on this subject..

With a coupon, that female hormone panel is just $51 or so. You could use the results not only to show to the endo if you indeed have elevated E2 but also how the results arrived in only a day or two...

flagsup
11-04-2013, 08:46 AM
With a coupon, that female hormone panel is just $51 or so. You could use the results not only to show to the endo if you indeed have elevated E2 but also how the results arrived in only a day or two...

that's right, I forgot about that. I can't show my endo about the lab reports on the e2, he would reduce my dosage on my test. I do the lab work for my e2 just so I can regulate what I need to.I wish it was different but it isn't.he doesn't want to hear anything that has to do with using an AI.

zdudezdud
11-04-2013, 04:50 PM
Hey Flagsup what is your endo have you on anyway? Protocol dose etc.... Sorry if you posted it as I have not went back through all posts. Also, does you INS pickup everything cost wise?

flagsup
11-04-2013, 06:25 PM
Hey Flagsup what is your endo have you on anyway? Protocol dose etc.... Sorry if you posted it as I have not went back through all posts. Also, does you INS pickup everything cost wise?

My endo presently prescribes 100mg every 7 days. in may he had me at this dose and my total test was 474, e2 at 19, was taking formeron with. In june he tested me with 100mg every 5 days, my total test was 761, free test was 279, e2 was 31, taking arim stage 5 otc pct. He said my free was too high so put me back at 100mg every 7 days but I pin every 3.5 and in october I tested at labcorp through private labs and total was 595, e2 at 14.1 with .25 adex eod. He doesn't know i pin every 3.5 and kmows nothing about any ai. My lipids came back and body fat has dropped to 14.6%, happy bout that..Will find the rest out soon..

sneedham
11-04-2013, 06:43 PM
Sounds like you are getting a good handle on the situation. It is nice to see someone grow and learn from the knowledgeable members. Keep up the good work....Awesome bro....

flagsup
11-04-2013, 08:36 PM
Sounds like you are getting a good handle on the situation. It is nice to see someone grow and learn from the knowledgeable members. Keep up the good work....Awesome bro....

Thanks, it takes awhile but I feel like I am getting closer to my goal..The way I see it, even the experienced had to start somewhere...

oufinny
11-04-2013, 08:59 PM
My endo presently prescribes 100mg every 7 days. in may he had me at this dose and my total test was 474, e2 at 19, was taking formeron with. In june he tested me with 100mg every 5 days, my total test was 761, free test was 279, e2 was 31, taking arim stage 5 otc pct. He said my free was too high so put me back at 100mg every 7 days but I pin every 3.5 and in october I tested at labcorp through private labs and total was 595, e2 at 14.1 with .25 adex eod. He doesn't know i pin every 3.5 and kmows nothing about any ai. My lipids came back and body fat has dropped to 14.6%, happy bout that..Will find the rest out soon..

595 test is too high when the range goes up to what, 1100ng/dl. There is conservative and there is just plain stupid. Stop that AI and fess up to your endo, it's raising your test levels and if your next test is low he can up your dose and give you an AI. Worth a try!

flagsup
11-05-2013, 07:51 AM
595 test is too high when the range goes up to what, 1100ng/dl. There is conservative and there is just plain stupid. Stop that AI and fess up to your endo, it's raising your test levels and if your next test is low he can up your dose and give you an AI. Worth a try!

It is not the total test he was worried about, he said my free test was 279 and that was above the average. When my e2 was 31 I talked to him about arimidex and he said no way, that is for breast cancer and not intended for men. He says e2 is fine up to 70. When he moved my script back to 100mg every 7 days, we talked about trying to get my levels up around 800 and arimidex and he said if that was what I wanted then I needed to find another endo because that was anabolic not trt. He is the only one around that my primary and secondary insurance work with so I just go with his script, learn what I can from members and adjust my own on the side..I have tapped him out so I just play his game to get my script...My e2 seems to work best for me around 20..

Presser
11-05-2013, 08:39 AM
My e2 seems to work best for me around 20..

My trt doc says 20 - 25 is optimal for E2.

Presser
11-05-2013, 08:43 AM
It is not the total test he was worried about, he said my free test was 279 and that was above the average. When my e2 was 31 I talked to him about arimidex and he said no way, that is for breast cancer and not intended for men. He says e2 is fine up to 70. When he moved my script back to 100mg every 7 days, we talked about trying to get my levels up around 800 and arimidex and he said if that was what I wanted then I needed to find another endo because that was anabolic not trt. He is the only one around that my primary and secondary insurance work with so I just go with his script, learn what I can from members and adjust my own on the side..I have tapped him out so I just play his game to get my script...My e2 seems to work best for me around 20..

For statistical purposes, typical male testosterone levels range between 250ng/dl to 850 ng/dl.

But... this is not necessarily a healthy range! Reference ranges aren't typically set by what is healthy and what is not. They are set by where 95% of the population lies.

Do you honestly believe 95% of the population is healthy? Unfortunately many doctors fall prey to this line of thinking.

Normal Testosterone Levels in Men by Age - Free and Total Healthy Male Ranges (http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels-in-men.html#sthash.ZAvJhduJ.dpuf)


Testosterone: What?s a Normal Testosterone Level in Men? | The Art of Manliness (http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/01/16/normal-testosterone-levels/)

flagsup
11-05-2013, 07:31 PM
For statistical purposes, typical male testosterone levels range between 250ng/dl to 850 ng/dl.

But... this is not necessarily a healthy range! Reference ranges aren't typically set by what is healthy and what is not. They are set by where 95% of the population lies.

Do you honestly believe 95% of the population is healthy? Unfortunately many doctors fall prey to this line of thinking.

Normal Testosterone Levels in Men by Age - Free and Total Healthy Male Ranges (http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels-in-men.html#sthash.ZAvJhduJ.dpuf)


Testosterone: What?s a Normal Testosterone Level in Men? | The Art of Manliness (http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/01/16/normal-testosterone-levels/)

very good articles, makes you wonder where the brain is in the medical field...

flagsup
11-13-2013, 08:53 PM
Tell him you want a serum estradiol test. If he says no ask him why not since hes not paying for it.


Got my labs back from endo today..With pinning 50mg every 3.5 days my total test was 598ng/dl, free test 185 pg/ml, bioavailable 372.5 ng/dl, shbg 10 nmol/l, albumin 4.4 g/dl.. My hdl chloresterole went from 44 to 36, ldl from 98 to 67, total chloresterole from 146 to 125...Trigl are at 119..Basically my labs are the same as they were 2 months ago when I got them from private labs..I asked about e2, he said he will not run it because he is not giving me high enough dose to justify running it...I went ahead and upped my test to 75mg every 3.5 days and .25 adex ed the last week and man boobs are looking better and tighter, libido is still soso. Atleast now I don't have to go back to see this idiot for 6 months..

flagsup
04-15-2014, 07:33 PM
Hey Flagsup what is your endo have you on anyway? Protocol dose etc.... Sorry if you posted it as I have not went back through all posts. Also, does you INS pickup everything cost wise?

My insurance don't cover squat. I buy my test straight out to get the 10cc vial. My ai, an extra test , liquid Cialis I get from sponsors .Everything is pretty much out of pocket.

Ok, got my new labs in from Labcorp, I am currently taking 150 mgs split every 3.5 days with .5 mgs liquid aromasin ed, and 10mgs of liquid cialis. My labs are taken 3.5 days after shot. TT is 582, e2 is 21.3, LH .2, FSH .3, albumin 3.8, whatever BUN is says its high at 26, BUN/Creatinine ratio high at 24, hematocrit 47.7, hemoglobin 15.9, wbc 6.8. rbc 5.4. Now this is weird because takin 100 mgs test every 7 days puts me at 474, free test 123.7 and bioavailable at 249, 100 mgs split every 3.5 days put me at 595, 100mgs takin every 5 days puts me ate 761 with free test at 279.5 and bioavailable at 562.7 and e2 at 31. endo didn't like every 5 days and put me back to 100 mgs every 7 days, he like the 474 better. should I bump my test up and to what? This is quit confusing.. Thinking bout doing way with endo or finding another one. He won't check my DHEA levels or deal with HCG or anything he is completely satisfied I 474 levels. I have no problem with erections but libido is really weak and energy levels are low, workouts aren't as hardcore as use to be early on. Not sure what to do...

sneedham
04-15-2014, 08:23 PM
Tell him you want a serum estradiol test. If he says no ask him why not since hes not paying for it.

^^So true^^ Dialing in your E2 is extremely important, do as Bigmoe65 says. Also, low and or high E2 level side effects can be very similar. Once you know where your sweet spot is( mine is about 15-20), you will feel much better.

independent
04-16-2014, 09:30 AM
I would try adding in hcg at 250 ius twice a week with your current dose and see how you feel. You could also just bump your test dose to 200mgs a week too. You need to start expeimenting to get yourself dialed in since your endo wont.

flagsup
04-16-2014, 07:21 PM
I would try adding in hcg at 250 ius twice a week with your current dose and see how you feel. You could also just bump your test dose to 200mgs a week too. You need to start expeimenting to get yourself dialed in since your endo wont.

Thanks Big Moe.. I am hesitant on HCG think it might bump my e2 since I seem to be etsro sensitive more these days then in previous years, but have been reading up on it more. I read that on trt if one doesn't take HCG then he should take DHEA and possibly pregnenelone.. How do you feel about that? What if I up my test dose and tae DHEA with it? Also, thinking about dropping the endo and doing it on my own, good or bad idea? Endo is just a pain in the butt when it comes time for labs and trying to get everything back to his level...

independent
04-17-2014, 07:06 AM
At 250ius of hcg I think a raise in e2 would be minimal. Im not to schooled on dheq and preg but ive read about it a little. Both ave poor bioavailibility taken orally. Keep yur endo until you find one you like, just for legal reasons.

flagsup
04-17-2014, 07:49 AM
At 250ius of hcg I think a raise in e2 would be minimal. Im not to schooled on dheq and preg but ive read about it a little. Both ave poor bioavailibility taken orally. Keep yur endo until you find one you like, just for legal reasons.

I hear ya on the legal reasons. I have started lookin for another. I have an apt with endo next month, was going talk to him about testing DHEA. In the meantime I am gonna hold my current dose so my labs with him don"t go up...

independent
04-17-2014, 08:18 AM
I hear ya on the legal reasons. I have started lookin for another. I have an apt with endo next month, was going talk to him about testing DHEA. In the meantime I am gonna hold my current dose so my labs with him don"t go up...

When are your next set of labs? I would try upping your dose to 200mgs for a few weeks amd see if you feel better.

flagsup
04-17-2014, 07:21 PM
When are your next set of labs? I would try upping your dose to 200mgs for a few weeks amd see if you feel better.

My labs are May 9th and endo apt is May 15th...

independent
04-18-2014, 09:21 AM
My labs are May 9th and endo apt is May 15th...

Just hold tight for now.

flood
04-25-2014, 06:22 PM
Have you checked Revive Low T (http://revivelowt.com/) in Seattle, Bellevue, maybe Kirkland by now...?

flagsup
05-05-2014, 08:06 PM
Have you checked Revive Low T (http://revivelowt.com/) in Seattle, Bellevue, maybe Kirkland by now...?

I have't heard of them but will check, thank you.

flagsup
05-15-2014, 08:01 PM
Just hold tight for now.


Ok,did my labs with endo. My shot was on tues and my labs Friday with 150mgs split every 3.5 days. Total test was 623 ng/dl, free 271.4 pg/ml, bioavailable 511 ng/dl, SHBG 4 nmol/l, Albumin 4.1 g/dl. He said my free was too high and talked about lowering my dose but didn't. DHEA was 76 ng/dl on range of (61-1636) My lipid panel was bit off, my overall cholesterol was elevated some at 168, my hdl was lower than normal at 15, my ldl was up just a tad at 115, triglycerides was up some at 192. Only difference was I switched to aromasin, through in some liquid Cialis. I had some helladrol leftover so I was finishing that up, figured that might have thrown lipids off. Now time to find new doc, he wants to work toward getting me off test....