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kennyc
08-19-2003, 10:26 AM
Went south and got some gear.. Problem 1. mixed my deca w/ my sust. Problem 2. put them both in a baby oil bottle to get back accross. ( how do I sterelizi it??) Problem 3. Got some Masteroloma25 mg tabs. How much do I take and when in the cycle.

Mudge
08-19-2003, 11:02 AM
Mixing is not a problem, as far as injecting baby oil I will have to ask around on that one.

You can sterilize it by putting two needles in the top at an angle (you need a sterile container for this with a rubber stopper obviously), and "baking" it ast 250ºF for 20 minutes. The needles are for pressure relief.

Those tabs are Masteron or ?

kennyc
08-19-2003, 11:07 AM
they are 25 mg tabs. On the package (from mexico) it said Masterolona??? It may have had a name that started with S. But I don't have the package with me

Mudge
08-19-2003, 11:13 AM
I dont find Masteroloma or Masterolona through Google, so I'm not positive what it would be.

Do you remember a brand like Ttokkyo, Quality Vet, Jurox or ?

kennyc
08-19-2003, 11:21 AM
I'll have to grb the box and read it again. I don't have it here at work.I'll find out and get back too you. Also do the anti Estrogens from conversion kits work well???

kennyc
08-19-2003, 11:27 AM
While I have ya here what is or are the best books on steroids,use ,cycles etc...

Mudge
08-19-2003, 11:27 AM
If you have the box thats great. Anti E is Anti E, Nolva is usually used during cycle for gyno like symptoms and clomid is usually used post cycle, but there are a good number of folks now stepping away from clomid and I think that is probably a good thing. I just wish HCG was more readily available.

Anyhow, I would try to get some sterile vials and seperate that baby oil before thinking about sterilization since that might cause it to mix, I dont know the weight of the oils, some oil will not mix well and can be easily seperated after sitting for awhile, some will mix readily and then could be an issue.

Still waiting for facts/opinions on baby oil.

Alot of people seem to like Anabolics 2002, the history behind the first book was that he plagurized alot of information under the guise that he was to compose the book completely based on his own information, yet he did not do this. The person supporting the book getting to market was contacted by several different people saying that the writer stole information without asking, and then the writer of said book said something along the lines of "oh yeah, thought you knew that."

A book will help you get started, but you can learn alot on the net with time. You can get it an Amazon or other locations.

Mudge
08-19-2003, 01:09 PM
Kenny, I am going to PM you on the oil.

kennyc
08-19-2003, 01:35 PM
Thank you for the info brother. And the name of the other one is Proviron. How much should I take and when in the cycle?? I cant see me throwing away my other stuff. I emptied the baby oil and dried it out as best as possible so if I steralize it I don't think it will kill me. So the heat won't break down my gear huh?!?!?

Mudge
08-19-2003, 02:00 PM
Too long on the applied heat or too much can break down the potency OR break the suspension, which is why use it with caution. I really have no idea about the baby oil stuff, keep following that thread I suppose to see what people think, or if desperate there are a couple doctors out there.

Proviron
Proviron is a synthetic, orally effective androgen which does not have any anabolic characteristics. Proviron is used in school medi-cine to case or cure disturbances caused by a deficiency of male sex hormones. Many athletes, for this reason, often use Proviron at the end of a steroid treatment in order to increase the reduced testoster-one production. This, however, is not a good idea since Proviron has no effect on the body's own testosterone production but-as men-tioned in the beginning-only reduces or completely eliminates the dysfunctions caused by the testosterone deficiency. These are, in par-ticular, impotence which is mostly caused by an androgen deficiency that can occur after the discontinuance of steroids, and infertility which manifests itself in a reduced sperm count and a reduced sperm quality. Proviron is therefore taken during a steroid administration or after discontinuing the use of the steroids, to eliminate a possible impotency or a reduced sexual interest. This, however, does not con-tribute to the maintenance of strength and muscle mass after the treatment. There are other better suited compounds for this (see HCG, Clomid, and Teslac). For this reason Proviron is unfortunately considered by many to be a useless and unnecessary compound.

You should be aware that Proviron is also an estrogen antagonist which prevents the aromatization of steroids. Unlike the antiestrogen Nolvadex which only blocks the estrogen receptors (see Nolvadex) Proviron already prevents the aromatizing of steroids. Therefore gynecomastia and increased water retention are successfully blocked. Since Proviron strongly suppresses the forming of estrogens no re-bound effect occurs after discontinuation of use of the compound as is the case with, for example, Nolvadex where an aromatization of the steroids is not prevented. One can say that Nolvadex cures the problem of aromatization at its root while Nolvadex simply cures the symptoms. For this reason male athletes should prefer Proviron to Nolvadex. With Proviron the athlete obtains more muscle hard-ness since the androgen level is increased and the estrogen concen-tration remains low. This, in particular, is noted positively during the preparation for a competition when used in combination with a diet. Female athletes who naturally have a higher estrogen level of-ten supplement their steroid intake with Proviron resulting in increased muscle hardness. In the past it was common for body-builders to take a daily dose of one 25 mg tablet over several weeks, sometimes even months, in order to appear hard all year round. This was especially important for athletes' appearances at guest performances, seminars and photo sessions. Today Clenbuterol is usually taken over the entire year since possible virilization symp-toms cannot occur which is not yet the case with Proviron. Since Proviron is very effective male athletes usually need only 50-mg/ day which means that the athlete usually takes one 25 mg tablet in the morning and another 25 mg tablet in the evening. In some cases one 25 mg tablet per day is sufficient. When combining Proviron with Nolvadex (50 mg Proviron/day and 20 mg Nolvadex/day) this will lead to an almost complete suppression of estrogen. Even better results are achieved with 50 mg Proviron/ day and 500 - 1000 mg Teslac/day. Since Teslac is a very expensive compound (see Teslac) most athletes do not consider this com-bination.

The side effects of Proviron in men are low at a dosage of 24 tab--lets/day so that Proviron, taken for example in combination with a steroid cycle, can be used comparatively without risk over several weeks. Since Proviron is well-tolerated by the liver, liver dysfunc-tions do not occur in the given dosages. For athletes who are used to acting under the motto "more is better" the intake of Proviron could have a paradoxical effect. The most common side effect of Proviron is a distinct sexual overstimulation and in some cases continuous penis erection. Since this condition can be painful and lead to possible damages, a lower dosage or discontinu-ing the compound are the only sensible solutions. Female athletes should use Proviron with caution since possible androgenic side ef-fects cannot be excluded. Women who want to give Proviron a try should not take more than one 25 mg tablet per day. Higher dosages and periods of intake of more than four weeks considerably increase the risk of virilization symptoms. Female athletes who have no dif-ficulties with Proviron obtain good results with 25 mg Proviron/ day and 20 mg Nolvadex/day and, in combination with a diet, re-port an accelerated fat breakdown and continuously harder muscles.

Proviron is one of the very few steroid hormones which is still suf-ficiently available. The usual price is about $1 per tablet on the black market. All Proviron tablets have one thing in com-mon: they are all indented and on the back have the stamp AX, surrounded by a hexagon.

aceman
08-19-2003, 06:49 PM
Didn't he pour the baby oil out first?

Mudge
08-19-2003, 07:16 PM
Sure, but pouring it out does not get it all out of the container.

kennyc
08-19-2003, 07:47 PM
I got 99.9% of the baby oil out. But there was residual on the sides of the bottle. Very little. I'll go through the steralizing proscess and take it from there. Should I even bother with the Proviron?????

Mudge
08-19-2003, 08:00 PM
Dont know, people will argue that one, some dont believe in AntiE on cycle some insist on it, some are on the fence. I would say you probably dont need it, not likely.

I have also heard that doctors dont recommend anti aromatase drugs for post cycle, some of them though like arimidex can screw up your cholesterol levels, so there are various reasons.

Someone injecting motor oil when he ran out of synthol died that same day, so I am not going to recommend going ahead with your experiment, but I really know nothing about baby oil inside the body, sterile or not.

I will PM you the info for a doctor maybe he has something for you knowlege wise.