View Full Version : Winni VTM??? Whats that?

09-27-2003, 09:58 AM
Does anyone know or have tried the Winni VTM and/or Dbol??

I am looking for an answer about Winni VTM. Is it as good as it gets?? Is It true that someone can get that awsome results??

I hope someone can give me somes responses.
Thank you.


09-27-2003, 11:13 AM
Of course I know what dbol is, but I have never heard of Winni VTM.

You sure this isn't a legal supplement name?

09-27-2003, 11:21 AM
No it not illegal..they sell Winni together with dbol on a website i have found.... If you can answer my question above either about dbol or Winni i would appreciate a lot

09-27-2003, 11:47 AM
I said IS IT LEGAL, if it is not illegal then it is a legal supplement.

I already also said I never heard of this "type" or brand name of Winstrol you mentioned.

Dbol is dbol, and you should not run it with Winstrol at the same time.

If these are legal supplements though throw all this information away. If these are the ILLEGAL versions then you are in the correct forum, what do you want to know about them? What exactly does "as good as it gets" mean?

I will not touch Winstrol. Dbol has its place, not by itself.

09-27-2003, 01:35 PM
You seems Useless so far!!
Why are you a mediator?? You cant even answer a question?
If you dont know what it means simply say so...even better DONT EVEN REPLY OR WRITE BS!!!!
Let someone with more knowledge to do so!!!
and Like i said..you seem to know nothing about nothing...dbol CAN go together with Winni.

09-27-2003, 02:35 PM
Dbol and winnstrol are both 17aa steroids, its your liver, not mine. Orally they will pass through twice.

I can answer your question when you learn how to speak english.

If you are in the United States, Dianabol and Winstrol are NOT legal supplements. Dianabol is not used medically here either.

09-27-2003, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by MFR
No it not illegal..they sell Winni together with dbol on a website i have found....

Are you stupid or just clueless? If it is not ILLEGAL then it is a legal supplement OR you live outside of the United States, now which is it?

If it is a legal supplement then you are IN THE WRONG FORUM. Legal supplement questions go in the Supplement forum.

09-27-2003, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by Mudge
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Already posted this, which is why I am not interested in winstrol.

09-27-2003, 03:03 PM
I No man, I am not in the United States,a nd I dont speak enlgish very well. And I dont really care about it. All I was asking is for some info about some products. But still you were unable to answer staright forward.
I all wanted to know is How to get big with almost no water retention and really cut with some legal or illegal steroids thats all!!!

09-27-2003, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by MFR
But still you were unable to answer staright forward.

I dont know what VTM is and you never answered that. If you want to get big you are going to need a water retention steroid, and dbol is famous for water gains - thats half of the reason its so great.

You dont gain 20 pounds of all muscle in 3 to 4 weeks, some is going to be water.

If you want big gains you need aromatizing steroids, and your going to hold water. Nothing in life is free, bulkers are going to make you gain a little fat and your going to hold water.

Or else you can run a cutting cycle.

Get big, then trim down later, whats the big deal? Its getting towards winter, the summer time is over.

I would lean towards moderate test and fina myself, dbol would be nice in that stack but still its going to make you hold water. 400-500mg of test a week and 100mg fina EOD. The test will give you gains and help keep fina dick away.

09-27-2003, 03:21 PM
"Dianabol (1 7-alpha-methyl-1 7beta-hydroxil-androsta-1.4dien-3-on) is an orally applicable steroid with a great effect on the protein metabolism. The effect of Dianabol promotes the protein synthesis, thus it supports the buildup of protein. This effect mani-fests itself in a positive nitrogen balance and an improved well-be-ing. Dianabol has a very strong anabolic and androgenic effect which manifests itself in an enormous buildup of strength and muscle mass in its users. Dianabol is simply a "mass steroid" which works quickly and reliably. A weight gain of 2 - 4 pounds per week in the first six weeks is normal with Dianabol. The additional body weight consists of a true increase in tissue (hyper-trophy of muscle fibers) and, in particular, in a noticeable retention of fluids. Dianabol aromatizes easily so that it is not a very good drug when one works out for a competition. Excessive water retention and aromatizing can be avoided in most cases by simultaneously taking Nolvadex and Proviron so that some athletes are able to use Dianabol until three to four days before a competition. An effective daily dose for athletes is around 15-40 mg/day. The dosage of Dianabol taken by the athlete should always be coordinated with his individual goals. Steroid nov-ices do not need more than 15-20 mg of Dianabol per day since this dose is sufficient to achieve exceptional results over a period of 8-10 weeks. When the effect begins to slow down in this group after about eight weeks and the athlete wants to continue his treatment, the dosage of Dianabol should not be increased but an injectable steroid such as Deca-Durabolin in a dosage of 200 mg/week or Primobolan in a dosage of 200 mg/week should be used in addition to the Dianabol dose; or he may switch to one of the two above-mentioned compounds. The use of testosterone is not recommended at this stage as the athlete should leave some free play for later. For those either impatient or more advanced, a stack of Dianabol 20-30 mg/day and Deca-Durabolin 200-400 mg/day achieves miracles. Those who are more interested in strength and less in body mass can combine Dianabol with either Oxandrolone or Winstrol tablets. The additional intake of an injectable steroid does, however, clearly show the best results. To build up mass and strength, Sustanon or Testosterone enanthate at 250-mg+/week and/ or Deca-Durabolin 200 at mg +/week are suitable. To prepare, for a competition, Dianabol has only limited use since it causes distinct water retention in many athletes and due to its high conversion rate into estrogen it complicates the athlete's fat breakdown. Those of you without this problem or who are able to control it by taking Nolvadex or Proviron, in this phase should use Dianabol together with the proven Parabolan, Winstrol Depot, Masteron, Oxandrolone, etc.

Since Dianabol's half-life time is only 3.2 - 4.5 hours (1) application at least twice a day is necessary to achieve a somewhat even concen-tration of the substance in the blood. It is recommended that the tablets be taken during meals so that pos-sible gastrointestinal pains can be avoided. Dianabol reaches the blood after 1-3 hours. A simple application of only 10 mg results in a 5-fold increase in the average testosterone concentration in the male.Women should not use Dianabol because, due to its distinct andro-genic component, considerable virilization symptoms can occur. Although Dianabol has many potential side effects, they are rare with a dosage of up to 20 mg/day. Since Dianabol is I 7-alpha alky-lated it causes a considerable strain on the liver. In high dosages and over a longer period of time, Dianabol is liver-toxic. Even a dosage of only 10 mg/day can increase the liver values; after discontinu-ance of the drug, however, the values return to normal. Since Dianabol quickly increases the body weight due to high water re-tention, a high blood pressure and a faster heartbeat can occur, some-times requiring the intake of an antihypertensive drug such as Catapresan. Additive intake of Nolvadex and Proviron might be necessary as well, since Dianabol strongly converts into estro-gens and in some athletes causes gynecomastia ("bitch tits") or worsens an already existing condition. Because of the strongly androgenic component and the conversion into dihydrotestosterone, Dianabol, in some athletes, can trigger a seri-ous acne vulgaris on the face, neck, chest, back, and shoulders since the sebaceous gland function is stimulated. If a hereditary predispo-sition exists Dianabol can also accelerate a possible hair loss which again can be explained by the high conversion of the substance into dihydrotestosterone. Another disadvantage is that, after discontinuance of the compound, a considerable loss of strength and mass often occurs since the water stored during the intake is again excreted by the body. In high dosages of 5 0 mg +/day aggres-sive behavior in the user can occasionally be observed which, if it only refers to his workout, can be an advantage. In order toavoid uncontrolled actions, those who have a tendency to easily lose, their temper should be aware of this characteristic when taking a high D-bol dosage. Despite all of these possible symptoms Dianabol instills in most athletes a "sense of well-being anabolic" which improves the mood and appetite and in many users, together with the ob-tained results, leads to an improved level of consciousness and a higher self-confidence.

Winstrol reads

Injectable is about twice as effective as oral (dose per dose), and will not go through the liver twice like an oral would.

09-27-2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by MFR
You seems Useless so far!!
Why are you a mediator?? You cant even answer a question?
If you dont know what it means simply say so...even better DONT EVEN REPLY OR WRITE BS!!!!
Let someone with more knowledge to do so!!!
and Like i said..you seem to know nothing about nothing...dbol CAN go together with Winni.
I think you need to do your research before you show your ass and look stupid!

09-27-2003, 06:13 PM
I didnt ask for your opinion.
You lost a good oportunity to be quiet.

09-27-2003, 06:24 PM

It is apparent that you know FAR more than Myself, dg806, or even mudge. If I were you I'd take all of your knowledge and run Anadrol, Winstrol tabs, AND Dbols. I'm sure you're liver will be JUST FINE :rolleyes:
But if you come to a forum and post a question and then insult the replies without actually providing information we need to help you, then you my friend are a jackass.


09-27-2003, 06:35 PM
I was thinking about anadrol/dbol and halotestin myself :lol: Throw in some cheque drops for motivation in the gym.

I'm going to go ahead and close this since it is just riduculous. MFR if you feel like posting another thread go ahead, if someone doesn't understand your questions and you dont feel like answering what an item is then dont flame people for it.

You still have not filled us in with any info on who or where this Winni VTM comes from, without source posting of course.