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Dale Mabry
10-26-2003, 08:50 PM
My roommate, who has done 4 cycles without any estrogen protection or test support finally gave himself gyno. Although this in itself would seem quite hilarious from the outside lookingin, it gets even more humorous: The dumb bastard has a crap load of Nolvadex. He told me he did not want to use it cuz it would cut into his gains and, since he had done 3 previous cycles without an issue, it was unneeded. I am waiting to hear if he has any test shutdown. Just goes to show ya...

FYI- his first cycle he took enanthate with deca. His last 3 have been comprised of Dbol and Sust 250. He generally does a 6-8 week cycle.

Mudge
10-26-2003, 08:51 PM
Yeah, cut into his boob gains. :lol:

crackerjack414
10-26-2003, 09:01 PM
sounds like progesteron related gyno tell him to have fun with those double ds

Mudge
10-26-2003, 09:20 PM
Dale, wasn't he the dumbass that was getting nose bleeds a year ago?

Evil ANT
10-29-2003, 06:03 AM
This may be a dumb question, but what is "gyno" and how does one get it?

nacnac972
10-29-2003, 06:37 AM
Originally posted by Evil ANT
This may be a dumb question, but what is "gyno" and how does one get it?
Its man boobs LOL

nacnac972
10-29-2003, 06:39 AM
Its from I believe to much estorgen caused by steroids and I think its possable to get it from pro steroids and pro hormones.Better wait for mudge to reply though hes da man:thumb:

Mudge
10-29-2003, 07:02 AM
Gyno/Gynecomastia

Abnormal enlargement of the breasts in a male. Excessive development of the breasts in males; usually the result of hormonal imbalance or treatment with certain drugs (including some antihypertensives).

This is from estrogen yep via excessive aromitization, or can be from progesterone levels (deca, fina...) Eventually it will become a hard calcified, benign lump behind the nipples, and then can get worse from there.

Here is a guy who cut out his own lump
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22087&highlight=home+gyno

Evil ANT
10-29-2003, 09:30 AM
Wow.

Is that common? Holy crap. I'm having second thoughts about trying test now.

Mudge
10-29-2003, 10:05 AM
Test is best, you just have to watch the dose. Nolvadex on hand just incase it shows up, it will be obvious to you. Itchy, or painfull, or any kind of weird feeling in the nipple area is when you whup out the nolvadex.

One way to avoid it is to run a light dose of anti-aromatase through the cycle, like arimidex, letrozole, etc

Evil ANT
10-29-2003, 11:35 AM
So nolvadex does the trick, eh? I'll have to order some of that, then.

Think 2 cc's of test per week would be enough to cause gyno?

Mudge
10-29-2003, 12:20 PM
What is 2ccs, it could be 200mg or 1,000mg, if its 500mg or less then it probably will not cause gyno. Steadier blood levels and lower bodyfat reduce those chances, so I'd shoot twice a week.

Enanthate/cypionates actual half life is actually very short.

Evil ANT
10-29-2003, 01:38 PM
I have 3 cc syringes, so I'm guessing that translates into 300 mg's? I have no clue. If that's the case, I'll do 200 mg's two times a week, making for a weekly total of 400 mg's.

I hope that doesn't cause any problems.

Mudge
10-29-2003, 01:41 PM
Dude, mg is substance quanity, ml is volume, they are NOT the same. A substance could be 25mg per ml or it could be 500mg per ml, your ITEM will tell you.

If it is test cypionate 250 then that means 250mg/ml.

What did you buy, what does the label say.

Skate67
10-29-2003, 03:57 PM
and ppl are telling me i dont know shit about juice :p

Mudge
10-29-2003, 04:04 PM
milligram and kilogram are weights, not volumes :)

Evil ANT
10-29-2003, 05:06 PM
Wow, holy crap. I can't believe I fucked that up. I should have known that, too.

Hangs his head in shame.

Don't know what my problem is today. Must be this mad sunburn I have making me stupid.

Mudge
10-29-2003, 05:16 PM
;)

It should be listed on your product, examples would be like T-400, Cypionate 200, Enanthate 250, and so on...

Evil ANT
10-29-2003, 05:35 PM
Gotcha'.

Still haven't ordered my cypionate yet, but if the supplier I'm looking at is indeed legit, I should have my order placed within the next day or two.

Once I get it, I'll read the label and go from there.

Mudge
10-29-2003, 06:52 PM
His pricelist should pretty much tell you, so that you know what kind of deal you are getting. I have used 400mg/ml cypionate before, and there is Upjohn 200mg/ml, not sure much of what else is out there since cyp is primarily american.

Dale Mabry
10-29-2003, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by Mudge
Dale, wasn't he the dumbass that was getting nose bleeds a year ago?


Wow, great memory. Yeah, here is a little info on the retard. He has a family history of hypertension, and I am not talking 136/85 here, I am talking near 160/90s. Anyway, He tried roids for the first time 2 years ago with a cycle of sust 250 and deca. That went fine, but he got his mitts on some Dbol last year and tried it. Well, I woke up one night to take a deuce and noticed some TP in the trash that was engorged with blood.

The next morning, I asked him if his GF was on the rag and too cheap to buy tampons and he said no, that it was from his nose. Anyway, I told him that this was most likely a result of extremely high BP and that he was on the fast track to a stroke. He didn't listen to me but his GF overheard me tell him that and told him to stop. This chick is a nurse too, what a moron.

Anyway, he started again and he now has gyno and asked me a couple days ago if it was noticeable. I was like hell yeah it's noticeable and so is that bald spot on the back of your head. He flipped because he was using finasteride, which is pretty much useless in hair loss from Dbol. I told him look at the bright side, his Dbol hair loss will eventually grow back and then he can grow it out to match his bitch tits.

Mudge
10-29-2003, 07:50 PM
:nope: freaky.

Evil ANT
10-30-2003, 05:28 AM
That's a funny story. :lol:

Also, Mudge, I ordered two boxes test cyp. Each box contains five vials, and each vial contains 250 mg's, so that's about 2,500 mg's, total. If I dose at 500 mg's per week, that'll last me about five weeks. That's pretty good for a first cycle. I'll combine that with dianabol and should see some good results.

Mudge
10-30-2003, 07:03 AM
Unfortunately cyp starts showing results at week 5, hmm...

Evil ANT
10-30-2003, 10:31 AM
Seriously?

How many weeks should I take it for, then? I can order more no problem. I just didn't want to take it for a long time and risk side effects.

Any suggestions?

Mudge
10-30-2003, 10:47 AM
10 weeks, if you throw in dbol for the first few weeks that will get things moving, thats where the orals have thier place.

Evil ANT
10-30-2003, 12:22 PM
I planned on taking dianabol for a few weeks in conjunction with the test. Together, those apparently make a decent combo. I just wasn't aware that cype takes up to ten weeks! Looks like I'll be ordering some more later.

Mudge
10-30-2003, 01:14 PM
Cypionate is a long acting esterified test, prop if you shoot ED or EOD would be a good choice for something that works within 1-2 weeks, but for a first cycle enanthate or cypionate + dbol is a good choice, much easier to deal with for most.

Evil ANT
10-30-2003, 02:37 PM
I'm hoping that after a month or a month and a half of a cypionate and dbol cycle I'll see at least some results. I won't care if I don't become an instant house, I'm just looking to gain a little strength. If I can accomplish that, I'll be satisfied.

Mudge
10-30-2003, 02:42 PM
Dbol should hit you fast, spread it through the day evenly as you can, 1 a meal is about ideal if you are doing 6 a day (30mg).