View Full Version : Alright fellas help me out for number 2

05-15-2004, 07:04 PM
I stopped my first cycle mid way due to gyno. I am currently in PCT with clomid and nolva. I am going to run these for the next 4 weeks and stay off the juice till this is resolved/helped/whatever.

Point is now I have learnt what I need to do and what not to do. I was wondering now for my second cycle. What would you fellas suggest.

I am 6 foot3 225lbs (last time I checked?) with about 13% bodyfat. I have lifted weights for over 13 years I would say and started at a measly 6 foot 125 so I have put on pretty good muscle since starting. But, now I am 31 and wanted to get bigger to around 245 pretty ripped.

We all know I am prone to gyno as my first cycle was 1.5cc for week one eod week 2 to 5 was 2.3 cc's of test prop eod whereas I cut it thereafter. I still have quite abit if prop left and would like to use it in a stack with something suggested I figure, I have about 3 to 4 weeks left at about 1.5 cc's eod. But, I was told I can go even less eod which I thought may be better due to my gyno sensitivity.

I will run Nolvadex the whole cycle and add clomid/L-Dex during pct.

any suggestions? on a stack and cycle layout with the test and additions I might "test"?

thanks for your time

05-15-2004, 07:45 PM
I use 2cc of prop EOD which is 200mg, I dont know what your stuff is dosed at but you dont want to be bouncing the dose around. A fair number of people still run lower than that on cutters, 1cc EOD if its 100mg per ml, is not uncommon.

I would use the liquidex during the cycle itself. During post cycle you may suppress estrogen to much.

Lots of things you could add onto that, dbol or fina would be a couple favorites for me. Fina could be a problem, it might not. B-6 supposedly works for fina induced gyno, I take it anyway but have never had fina gyno problems even up to 100mg a day, it did cause sleep issues at that dose however.

05-16-2004, 08:02 AM
Hey mudge is 150mg/1.5cc a good dose EOD for prop. If I decide to go with prop instead of enanthate this is what I was thinking of doing.

Just a guy
05-16-2004, 09:34 AM
in my opinion yes... At one time i was running 150mg's ED of prop... Very very uncomfortable. 150mg's EOD...Thats roughly 600mg's of prop a week... That would be the equivalent of about 800-900Mg's of Test Enth....

05-16-2004, 09:51 AM
so you figure 2 shots of 100mg regardless of cc EOD for the time listed and dont bother tapering off near the end of the prop kick start? or using it full strength all the way thru its use at full strength and add say some winstrol tabs?

I can get some winstrol tabs? any thoughts on those together?

And if so how long should I run the winstrol tabs if I am going to be doing the prop for 4 weeks and how much do I need to order?

thanks man for your time.:thumb:

Just a guy
05-16-2004, 09:54 AM
Use it full strength all the way through... use winstrol on the last 4-6 weeks of your Cycle to harden your gains and Pull water out of your body. 50-75mg's of Winny is OK

Just a guy
05-16-2004, 09:56 AM
Why dont u buy a Long Ester Test like Cypionate and use it for 8-12 weeks and Then use prop the last 4 week along with Winny and then jump into your PCT a day after your last tab of winny and 3 days after your prop. just my 2cc's

Or are you Wanting to run Prop all the way through?? not a bad decision.. im A prop FREAK thats all i will do.

05-16-2004, 10:21 AM
Thats not a bad plan. Fact is I am not sure at this point whether or not my buddy can get that. Either way, without going too nuts I'll just do this I think for my 1.5 or second cycle really.

1-8 100mgs test Prop EOD (or till it runs out)
3-8 75mg ED of winstrol tabs
1-14 10mg nolva+l-dex 0.25 ED
8-14 40mg nolva+clomid PCT

What do you guys think?

How many tabs of winstrol would I need for that cycle? and how do I cycle it? Its a taperable thing too right?

any suggestions?

05-16-2004, 10:29 AM
You don't have to taper much of anything except drugs like t-3. The amount of tabs you need depends on how many mg are in each tab. Then just do the math. X amount of tabs per day to equal desired dose then multiply that number by 30 and you've got the number of tabs you'll need for the cycle.

05-16-2004, 10:32 AM
If I choose prop it will be ran the entire time just as I would have done with enanthate. I am thinking that 1.5cc may be too much to inject into the delts. Any opinions on this?

Just a guy
05-16-2004, 12:00 PM
No trojan that isint too much... atleast for me it isint... i inject 1CC of prop .6CC of Equipoise and .6CC of Fina in my delts All the time. I do everyday injections with 6 sites... Delts...Ass..Quad's.

05-16-2004, 12:50 PM
So, u's think I should run that then?

And u say I don't need to taper off the winstrol tabs?

so start at 75mg a day all the way till done then one day after last tab start PCT?

Thanks alot for all your help guys.

05-16-2004, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by TrojanMan60563
Hey mudge is 150mg/1.5cc a good dose EOD for prop. If I decide to go with prop instead of enanthate this is what I was thinking of doing.

150mg EOD yeah thats pretty good, 525 prop, thats around 580/600 or so of the other esters.

Just a guy
05-16-2004, 03:56 PM
I thought you told me that 700mg's of Prop was = too close to 1 gram of the other esters? I must have heard u wrong.

05-16-2004, 04:45 PM
No I did say that, and it was a mistake as I didn't sit down and calculate it. 150 EOD is not 200 EOD though (which is what I am running), I have no problem running 100mg ED or 200 EOD, I did run 150 ED at one point (for a whole 3 days) which is 1050 a week. I had run 1050 cypionate for 6 weeks experimentally and noticed no change in gains etc

Ester actual mg/100mg dose
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63

So between prop and cypionate there is about a 13% difference in total test per mg, what I said would have been accurate for suspension not prop.

So 700mg of prop is about 790 cypionate.

05-16-2004, 05:42 PM
If I go prop do you think southerns prop is going to be more comfortable then their enanthate?

05-16-2004, 06:04 PM
Prop is infamous for being the worst of the lot save suspension, I have never had painfull enanthate other than 500mg/ml.

05-16-2004, 08:50 PM
So to get same results of a 12 week prop cycle do I need to do like a 16 week enanthate cycle?

Curtis I would make sure you have enough of everthing so you don't have to just use it until you run out. What you should do is plan out how long you want to do what, and make sure you buy enough of everything to cover it. Also don't start your cycle until you have all your PCT stuff in place. No you shouldn't taper your winstrol. I have read the average dose for winstrol tabs is 40-50mg ED. Unless you know that you have a high tolerance to the stuff I would consider taking a lower dose. One of the most often talked about sides of winstrol is the dry joints that are usually painful. I would have to assume this is more common the higher the dose. So until you know how you are going to react to it why not start off on atleast a lower dose. You have plenty of time in the future to run higher dose cycle is you want. If your using prop don't quote me but I think you should start your PCT about 3 days after your last jab.

05-19-2004, 07:58 AM
Hey man,

Yah I hear what ur saying.

this is the new cycle so far.

1-8 100mgs test Prop EOD (or till it runs out)
3-8 50mg ED of winstrol tabs
5-11 Clen 2 days on and 2 days off for a total of 6 weeks or till done
1-13 40mg nolva+l-dex 0.25 ED
8-13 40mg nolva+clomid PCT
*****V B-6 200 mg/day****
week1 300x1,100x6
2 100x4 50x3
3 50 x 7

I may add a hit of dbol in there too, still seeing if I can get it etc etc :thumb:

05-19-2004, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by TrojanMan60563
So to get same results of a 12 week prop cycle do I need to do like a 16 week enanthate cycle?

Never ran prop over 6 weeks yet, but 6 weeks was enough to show me the light.

05-19-2004, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by Mudge
Never ran prop over 6 weeks yet, but 6 weeks was enough to show me the light.

So would running prop for 12 weeks be harder on your body then a 12 week cycle of enan? Since prop starts working sooner I would have to assume you have more time for gains and probably sides too.

05-19-2004, 11:09 AM
What sides? My BP is fine and so is my resting heart rate.

More time for gains is a given.

05-19-2004, 11:37 AM
Mudge, good think I read this post now, because I was set on my next prop 150 EOD for 10 weeks....

Is that too long??? should I switch to something else (Ena, Cyp)halfway (overlapping so the latter starts to work when the Pro is out)


05-19-2004, 01:36 PM
Too long is completely relative, some people would go nuts with EOD injections for that long, not all will. If you start with prop and want to switch then you could try 50-100mg EOD along with your cyp for the first 2-4 weeks.

05-19-2004, 06:02 PM
Oh Ok. I thought there was something wrong with the substance itself.

I've never done it, but I don't think I will mind... Even if I know that I have gear in my system, I like the feeling of knowing I just put fresh one in me, pshychological energy I'd say...

I'll see how it goes, for now I am just ordering prop. I am even thinking of preloading the syringes, lets say 15-20 at a time. That way it is a lot more simple the EOD injections.

05-19-2004, 11:32 PM
Test is test, people just get sick of the shots. If you buy lower quality stuff, it will hurt as well.

05-20-2004, 12:52 AM
If I go with southern prop would you say that was a quality choice?

05-20-2004, 12:55 AM
SL was good to me, UG is pretty good too but SL is my test de choice.

05-20-2004, 08:28 AM
Mudge you said you've never gone over 6 weeks of prop. Is that because its not a good idea, or you just havn't done it yet? Are the longer cycles only reserved for the longer esters?

05-20-2004, 11:22 AM
Just because I haven't, I switched to cyp, there is nothing wrong with more than 6 wks if you can handle the sticks.

I will be going 12+ this time, no more cyp/enan. I think BDTR was going to run 5 months of 3x a day sticks with suspension, how much of an animal are you? It has nothing to do with toxicity or any of that garbage, test is test is test.

05-20-2004, 12:14 PM
12 weeks times avg of 3.5 stabs.... that's 42 jabs, ouch!!

At least for me it helps having the syringes preloaded... so I don't have to go through the mission EOD. whenever it is time just pick it up and shoot, less than a minute you are done.

Just out of curiosity, what gauge?? I have 23G for the butt and 25 for the delt (4 sites enough for E0D)

05-20-2004, 07:12 PM
I bought 1.5" 23g for my ass and 1" 25g for everything else (slin pin for HCG during PCT)

05-20-2004, 09:15 PM
4 sites is ok for EOD I think, I was doing 8 with ED. My traps didn't like the prop much but it could have been where in the trap I was hitting.

I do ass/delts right now, just recently switched, added in some fina as of today.

05-20-2004, 09:19 PM
Im sticking with delts,I stuck my Quad the other day,and it hurt like a mofo. I am still walking with a limp.

05-29-2004, 04:40 PM
and to think I actaully started this post.