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Absolute
05-16-2004, 03:50 PM
ok heres the deal I messed up by trying to play it safe and did 250mg test en and 200mg e5d for the first 5 weeks. I did gain some weight but realized this was pathetic so I doubled that by doing an injection on monday then on thursday. I ran out of the eq and sadly was not able to get more but I did get another 10ml of the test. So here we are now I plan to take 500 e5d. I am 5'10" 191lbs 11%bf and I eat roughly 4500 calories a day. Right now I can only work out 2 hours m-t. I am up from 175lbs when I started. I would like to take something to help out with energy or strength. My goal was to hit 200 if possible I will be adding 3-400 calories and 60g of protein. Thanks for the help.

Fit Freak
05-16-2004, 03:54 PM
Adding Winny to your test will give you some great strength gains...and help reduce some bloat as well depending on your diet. I would go with 50mg ED.

Absolute
05-17-2004, 08:58 AM
How long does it take for winny to kick in? I've read it's good for cutting cycles, will I see an increase in strength. Has anyone tried the QV Anavar ?

Mudge
05-17-2004, 11:05 AM
QV var tested 5.9mg each last I heard, who knows how long that will last.

Winny and var "kick in" relatively fast as they are orals with short half lives.

Absolute
05-17-2004, 12:29 PM
Is the anavar better as far as strength gains are concerned? Neither of these will help promote mass gains right? I have felt "tired" lately when working out and want something to help out and give me more lifting strength.

Mudge
05-17-2004, 06:54 PM
Its not very androgenic (women and children use it) so yes, more for strength than size.

Fit Freak
05-17-2004, 07:02 PM
Winny is excellent for strength when combined with test...much better choice than anavar.

JerseyDevil
05-18-2004, 03:00 AM
Are the BD 10mg tabs a good choice?

TrojanMan60563
05-18-2004, 09:22 AM
I'm going to be using the chinamans 50mg winny tabs with hopes to cut back on the 17aa. I am assuming that one 50mg tab a day is not as bad as popping 5 10mg tabs right? I've seen 2mg winny tabs. That would mean you would need 25 of them a day. Wouldn't the more pills you pop the more 17aa that is going to be going through your liver?

Mudge
05-18-2004, 10:46 AM
BD is a respected brand, but 10mg at a time is $ compared to IP 50s.

50mg is 50mg, I would say it would be harder on the liver taking it all at once rather than more often, not sure what you mean.

Thats like saying stabbing yourself with a 14" knife is better than 7- 2 inchers, I'd rather have the 2 inchers if I had to choose, hopefully they pick safe spots to stab me.

The liver can rip crap apart to a degree, but if you place a high load on it thats when problems show up.

Fit Freak
05-18-2004, 12:17 PM
Try and get yur hands on British Dispensary 50mg tabs...they kick ass.

TrojanMan60563
05-18-2004, 08:16 PM
Mudge I thought that more pills you consume the more 17aa your body has to process. So 1 50mg pill a day would be better then taken 25 2mg pills to get the same dose. (not to mention its way cheaper to get the IP versus the numerous BD pills to do the same cycle)

Mudge
05-18-2004, 11:41 PM
Dude, 50mg is 50mg, its the same dose.

Split up through the day I would feel is probably the better way, but I'm sure there are lots of little calculations to make to even half guess at this. The harder, and longer you hit the liver, the more likely you will overstress it and it will start shutting down portions. That is all that can absolutely be said.

Most drugs ask you to split doses, not "take 16 pills in the morning" etc, much of this I'm sure is half life only but accutane for instance, split up the doses, thats what my PDR says.

The liver can only break down so much, so it makes sense to split the doses IMO, not just based on half life.

TrojanMan60563
05-19-2004, 01:03 AM
So splitting the 50mg winny into two doses and taking them like 12 hours apart is ok?

Mudge
05-19-2004, 06:57 AM
I dont see why not man, there have been people pushing 150 a day. Check your own liver though man, some guy on FG had the gall to blame M1T for his liver problems after 4 weeks. I can't see that he didn't have a problem before hand.

Just a guy
05-19-2004, 06:57 AM
take half in the AM take half in the PM

TrojanMan60563
05-19-2004, 09:24 AM
That guy with the M1T is a goof. I can't see how any methylated product in moderate doses can mess your liver up in 4 weeks unless there is already something going wrong with it. I am going to be getting blood work done probably this saturday to have everything checked out before I start pumping my body full of superior gentics.

Absolute
05-19-2004, 04:07 PM
Hey not to sound retarded but when you guys say your going to get "bloodwork" what exactly do you mean? How do you want in to your doctors office and say you'd like some bloodwork done? Are you asking for specific test?

TrojanMan60563
05-19-2004, 05:57 PM
just tell the doc you want to check your hormone levels, and liver levels because your a juice head...they will do it.

JerseyDevil
05-19-2004, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by Absolute
Hey not to sound retarded but when you guys say your going to get "bloodwork" what exactly do you mean? How do you want in to your doctors office and say you'd like some bloodwork done? Are you asking for specific test?
Start with asking your doctor for a regular cholesterol test. Steroids tend to reduce HDL, the good cholesterol, so you want to monitor that.

The second test which you can order through the link below for $37, is the liver profile. You find a lab listed in your area, have blood drawn, and they give the results to Direct Lab. Your results are accessible by you on the web in as little as 24 hours. This test will detect if your liver is having difficulty with steroids, 17aa orals in particular (dbol, drol, winny, M1T, etc.).

http://www.directlabs.com/testtypes.php#lip

Absolute
05-19-2004, 06:32 PM
Thanks for the info