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Quest2be1
07-10-2004, 02:22 AM
Im 175 10"9 I currently have a bottle of Watson Cypionate 200 and about 50 21 guage by 1 1/2 inch needles and also 23 guage 1 inch needles. I was wanting to stack the Cypionate with either EQ or Winny? Which do you think i should stack the Cypionate with? Also, i have 100 Nolvadex on hand but i wont be needing that during the cycle if im stacking Winny. When I am ready for my PCT would Nolvadex be a better way to go than Clomid? If so, how would i take the Nolvadex correctly in my PCT? Thanks, appreciate the help

Pirate!
07-10-2004, 08:26 AM
If you are 175 and only 10" tall, you should address those issues first. That aside, Nolvadex and Clomid are both effective, but many people report bad side effects with the Clomid. The Nolvadex is just as effective without the sides. Your PCT must be planned based not only on what you are using, but also the length of the cycle. Provide more specific info on the cycle you are planning, and you will get some good advice on this forum.

Mudge
07-10-2004, 09:28 AM
First cycle, test alone is fine. I put on about 20 pounds for my first cycle and really felt that if I would have done any more than that it would have been unhealthy, I was already panting when I walked up stairs and sweating like a whore in church, and people noticed (at work) and one person even went so far as to accuse me of juicing (at work, in public).

Quest2be1
07-10-2004, 01:23 PM
thanks for the feedback, and sorry for my poorly detailed thread. okay, let me rephrase myself first at PirateFromHell very funny, lol im not 10 feet tall, im 5"9 which was my typo. Anyhow, i have taken cypionate 200 pharmacia a year ago and it worked just fine for me, i did 1 cc every week for 10 weeks then i had waited about 15 days and i started my clomid. I just want to make sure i do this correct. I feel health safety is always important and of course when you invest money into something you want to get the best bang for your buck. this time around I plan on taking 1cc a week of cypionate and i would like to stack that with Winny or EQ and i was wanting to know which one would be better to stack it with. and if so how would i take the appropriate dosages for the stack that is chosen to go along with the cypionate. And yes, i already have Nolvadex and HCG on hand along with all the needles and the cypionate, next step is just figuring out which one i want to stack it with. Also, on the pct im not quite sure how to take Nolvadex b/c i took clomid last time. But i hear the Nolvadex is all around better so im going to give this one a try this time. Thanks for the feedback mudge and piratefromhell. OH, btw guys if any of you are intersted in porn at all let me know, I am the owner of cloudninedames.com Well, Thanks again

Mudge
07-10-2004, 01:26 PM
200mg cypionate a week I wouldn't even bother with, but thats just my opinion. Stacking is nice and all, but its not going to work miracles when you are using such low amounts, you'll shut yourself down and thats about it.

Quest2be1
07-10-2004, 01:33 PM
hmm shut myself down, what exactly do you mean by that? i figured with another stack that would be just fine then. but give me some feedback on what i posted please, thanks

Mudge
07-10-2004, 04:44 PM
Shut down means HPTA suppression, you are replacing your natural testosterone and not doing much more. Very low dose gear just isn't going to do much, I dont believe in crazy doses but 200mg a week of cypionate + 200mg a week of some other wussy drug like equipoise is not going to give you much to show off.

If you are dead set on running a cycle like that, I'd go with winny.

Quest2be1
07-11-2004, 12:11 PM
well mudge, my friend owed me money so i said he could repay me with the Watson Cypionate 200 and also 1 cc bottle of Pharmacia Cypionate 200, so basically in the middle of my cycle for 4 weeks i'll be taking 250mg of cypionate, it wont help much but it will help a little, Also i found cypionate to be great for me, though im not an experienced user so im not about to say you dont know what you're talking about, if anything i might be the one that doesnt. But you think i should take Winny with this stack instead of EQ right? also, can you please tell me the correct dosages a week for the Winny. Also, would this be correct for me, when i am finished my cycle wait 15 days and then start taking Nolvadex, 14 days @ 40mg/day and 14 days @ 20mg/day ?
Thanks for your help mudge, very much appreciated, and nice back bro, good work :)

Quest2be1
07-11-2004, 12:16 PM
btw, i meant when im finished my cycle i should wait 12 days not 15 if im correct

Mudge
07-11-2004, 12:40 PM
50mg ED should be good for winny, if you felt brave you could try 100mg but that is when many people start to have joint problems with it.

IP tabs scored 46mg and still have a good rep, and are ridiculously cheap, 50 cents a tab is not unheard of although harder to come by now. If you buy injectable stuff you can still drink it, it hits the liver either way.

Quest2be1
07-11-2004, 01:30 PM
okay thanks mudge, i prefer to stick with injectables, i tend to drink alcohol but not on juice so i prefer to stay far away from oral steroids, if i do Winny i'll take 50mg ED but that is rather pricey. Would it be wiser for me to go with Primobolan 100-200mg a week with the cypionate instead of the Winny? Drinking Winny sounds funny but i have heard about doing that. Is there anywhere on the net that describes info about Drinking Winny, like why it still works and yada yada? thanks again, always appreciated and yeah i just noticed above your avatar, "NOT MY BACK" well my avatar is just my g/f :)

Mudge
07-11-2004, 01:48 PM
If you are worried about your liver dont take winny, injectable still hits the liver as I said above.

Winstrol is winstrol, there is no difference between the oral and injectable versions, they are both 17aa that is why it works.

Alcohol lowers protein synthesis, but I'm sure you knew that.

Someone PMed me asking me what I did for training and if I took any "produktz" to get big like that, the guy is juicing NO SHIT SHERLOCK, so yes I had to put the disclaimer NOT MY BACK.

I'd put my woman up, but I'm not into showing her off for her breasts, she gets enough of that attention already.

Quest2be1
07-11-2004, 02:16 PM
lol about your woman, well i thought it was cool that my woman made that avatar for me so i figured i mind as well use it, and yes you are right winny is winny that did slip my mind. but do you think you would take Primobolan 100-200mg a week with the cypionate instead of the winny or EQ? thanks

Quest2be1
07-11-2004, 09:16 PM
okay Mudge, please reply when you get a chance. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with everyone to help keep people safe and on the right track. Bottom line is this, I have a total of 11cc's of cypionate 200mg, 60 20mg nolvadex on hand and 2 shots prefilled with HCG. After my last shot, 2 weeks later i will begin taking 40mg of nolvadex for 2weeks and then 20mg of nolvadex for 2 more weeks. also after that last shot i will wait 2 weeks to take 1 HCG shot and then one week later i will take one more so i will have my pct complete and correct hopefully, if im going to be doing that wrong please let me know. But i've decided to say screw the winny since i am about 5'9 175 or so. Do you think i should just take 200mg's of cypionate for 3 weeks, then the next 4 weeks i'll take 250mg's of cypionate, then my final 3weeks back to 200mg. While the hole time i will stack it with Primobolan 100mg for the full 10 weeks with cypionate. Does this sound right to you? and do you think i will like these affects better than what i have previously mentioned? Thanks mudge, i look forward to seeing your reply

Mudge
07-11-2004, 09:24 PM
I'm not interested in primo, I didn't even like deca @ 600mg a week so I dont see myself being a primo man really. If it doesn't pack on size or strength, I'm not interested in it.

HCG should not be used post cycle, use it during the cycle to avoid atrophy in the first place. If you want to recover, do not use HCG during PCT.

I would start with more cypionate rather than less, although I prefer to use the same dose through the whole cycle. Why not just go 11 weeks @ 200mg? Whatever you feel like doing though.

Quest2be1
07-11-2004, 11:40 PM
okay bro, last time i'll bother you. What would you stack the 200mg 11cc's of cypionate with? something reasonable because this will only be my second time juicing and I am looking to get bigger and also cut up as well. thanks again

Mudge
07-11-2004, 11:48 PM
#1 Fina
#2 More test
#3 Dbol

Quest2be1
07-12-2004, 03:52 AM
thanks for your input, but im definately either going to go EQ or Primobolan-Depot, out of those which would you choose since i want to build muscle as well as looking leaner?

Mudge
07-12-2004, 07:18 AM
EQ 500mg if you are willing to go a full 10 weeks. If you want to look leaner, thats diet.

But fina is the sheet.

Quest2be1
07-12-2004, 09:22 AM
finaject is something you really like i see? i'll read more about finaject then for cycling that with the cypionate then. thanks so you think i'll find the results with fina that im really looking for then. what exactly does fina help with, what are some of its pros and cons, all juices seems to have them of course? thanks

Mudge
07-12-2004, 09:58 AM
Fina, finaject died in 1987, same thing but not in rediject form.

Awesome for strength, and I seem to get vascular on it.

Cons: 100mg ED or somewhere around there I seem to have sleep issues. PGH and Melatonin seem to be keeping me ok in that area, but I am not using that much fina either. 75mg EOD is fine for a first timer, which is really about all I am using right now.

Fina is definitely one of my all time favorites, test + fina is a staple for me now.

TrojanMan60563
07-12-2004, 07:56 PM
200mg every week of cypionate sounds like a very low dose. Is there any reason you do not use more test?

Pirate!
07-13-2004, 05:07 AM
200mg every week of cypionate sounds like a very low dose. Is there any reason you do not use more test?
I concur. I am doing my first with 500mg a week in two doses. What is the full name of "Fina"?

JerseyDevil
07-13-2004, 05:36 AM
What is the full name of "Fina"?
Trenbolone acetate.