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DEBO1
08-26-2005, 02:02 AM
How Much Gh Do U Have To Take Before U Start Seeing Results. Ive Heard That U Have To Take It For Like 6 Months At Least. Cant U Just Up Tha Dose N Get The Results Faster

Stu
08-26-2005, 02:31 AM
its normally run for longer than your average steroid 3-6 months at 4ui per day is common for a first cycle, one shot before bed with no carbs for the first 40mins after the jab.

Tha Don
08-26-2005, 03:27 AM
Cant U Just Up Tha Dose N Get The Results Faster
:rolleyes: why not experiment?

my next cycle i'm thinking of running 150mg of dbol everyday for the first 2 weeks (instead of 25mg/ed for 6), i'm hoping i will get the results faster! ;)

Stu
08-26-2005, 03:37 AM
lol fuck 2 weeks! take it all in one day and pct as well

kwanger
08-26-2005, 12:42 PM
lol fuck 2 weeks! take it all in one day and pct as well

lol

GFR
08-26-2005, 12:46 PM
How Much Gh Do U Have To Take Before U Start Seeing Results. Ive Heard That U Have To Take It For Like 6 Months At Least. Cant
U Just Up Tha Dose N Get The Results Faster

4-6 IU is all you need a day.......if you want a huge GH gut then take 18+IU.

You will not see any results for the first 10-12 weeks, so you really need a 4-6 month cycle of GH......plus do a cycle or two of steroids while on the GH.

Mudge
08-26-2005, 06:45 PM
Most likely you will get the negative side effects.

Good things come to wait, and for those with no patience, some are actually still alive.

gococksDJS
08-26-2005, 08:06 PM
How Much Gh Do U Have To Take Before U Start Seeing Results. Ive Heard That U Have To Take It For Like 6 Months At Least. Cant U Just Up Tha Dose N Get The Results Faster A good rule of thumb is if you don't know basic grammar and sentence structure, your not ready for GH.

GFR
08-26-2005, 08:09 PM
A good rule of thumb is if you don't know basic grammar and sentence structure, your not ready for GH.
Bro how big is your neck????
looks like 19 inches...

topolo
08-26-2005, 08:15 PM
Bro how big is your neck????
looks like 19 inches...


it is but dale tells me his penis is only 1.9 inches....

gococksDJS
08-26-2005, 08:25 PM
Bro how big is your neck????
looks like 19 inches... I'm not sure how big it is, why?

gococksDJS
08-26-2005, 08:27 PM
it is but dale tells me his penis is only 1.9 inches.... I think you misheard Dale. He said we both double penetrated your woman and then nutted on both of her teeth while she knitted you a sweater.

GFR
08-26-2005, 08:27 PM
I'm not sure how big it is, why?
I was just wondering because I'm trying to build mine up.

gococksDJS
08-26-2005, 08:31 PM
I was just wondering because I'm trying to build mine up. Mine started getting bigger when they got a neck machine at the student gym here at USC. I usually do them with shoulders, but lately my neck stays stiff for a few days afterwards if I try to go up in weight.

Mudge
08-27-2005, 12:27 AM
I LOVE the 4 way neck machine, awesome shit.

hal
08-27-2005, 12:32 AM
Sorry Guys,

I am a newbie and I am not in your league when it comes to building but if anyone should know it's you guys.

My question or concern:

I have just finished loading phase on creatine monohydrate but uses tablespoons instead of teaspoons. So instead of 20 grams a day I have been taking 75 grams a day for six days.

Should I stop and let my body clear or is this not that bad and I should just keep going with maintenance dosage of 2.5 grams a day?

Yes it was stupid but please someone who knows could possible assist?

Thanks
Hal

Mudge
08-27-2005, 12:37 AM
Creatine is not a steroid firstly, so this is the wrong forum. But I hardly think its going to kill you.

A heaping teaspoon is around 5 grams I believe. Heaping, not rounded. And I can't recall hearing of 2.5g maintenance for anyone unless you are really tiny, I take 10g a day and still dont feel like I notice it at all.

hal
08-27-2005, 01:01 AM
Wrong forum I know,

But thanks for your advice anyways. By the way 2.5 grams for maintenance is what is recommended universally online and anymore is a waste.

Actually it is .03 gram per body weight.

So if 242 pounds you should take about 3.3 grams a day.

Hal

Mudge
08-27-2005, 01:19 AM
Nothing is universal in bodybuilding. :lol: 5 grams was the "old universal" number, and for someone heavier 10+.

Tough Old Man
08-27-2005, 01:19 AM
How much who cares. i will start the DOGG CRAPP method 10/1/05. I'm going to stay on for the next 2 years.

4 weeks 1000mg/ew of Test E
2 weeks 250mg/ew of Test with clomid theropy
Repeat for 2 years

Wish me goog luck

The Monkey Man
08-27-2005, 05:27 AM
How much who cares. i will start the DOGG CRAPP method 10/1/05. I'm going to stay on for the next 2 years.

4 weeks 1000mg/ew of Test E
2 weeks 250mg/ew of Test with clomid theropy
Repeat for 2 years

Wish me goog luck
Tough, are U cycling the GH to try and combat those shoulder problems of yours??

And how much is that stuff in ME-HEE-CO (ball park average)

My DOC said I can get a script for it,
but it costs like $1k per month to get it from a US pharmacy
And seeing as how the dosage I want to take, for long term effects
6+ months...

I can't go there - :barf:

topolo
08-27-2005, 10:42 AM
How much who cares. i will start the DOGG CRAPP method 10/1/05. I'm going to stay on for the next 2 years.

4 weeks 1000mg/ew of Test E
2 weeks 250mg/ew of Test with clomid theropy
Repeat for 2 years

Wish me goog luck

goog luck!

topolo
08-27-2005, 10:43 AM
I think you misheard Dale. He said we both double penetrated your woman and then nutted on both of her teeth while she knitted you a sweater.

yeah she said she used yours to floss with....

antelope07
08-28-2005, 06:46 PM
Dude, i would be careful about dosage. From what I hear some IFBB guys (Coleman perhaps) take like 4 iu a day. I heard the best way to go is 2 iu daily, otehrwise you can and probably will have organ enlargement, distended gut and this is not reversible. GH takes paitinece, not soemthing in abundance when you want results.
Ant

GFR
08-28-2005, 06:50 PM
Dude, i would be careful about dosage. From what I hear some IFBB guys (Coleman perhaps) take like 4 iu a day. I heard the best way to go is 2 iu daily, otehrwise you can and probably will have organ enlargement, distended gut and this is not reversible. GH takes paitinece, not soemthing in abundance when you want results.
Ant
Coleman takes 18+iu a day....I.M.O

Tough Old Man
08-28-2005, 06:52 PM
its normally run for longer than your average steroid 3-6 months at 4ui per day is common for a first cycle, one shot before bed with no carbs for the first 40mins after the jab.
Agree

Tough Old Man
08-28-2005, 06:55 PM
:rolleyes: why not experiment?

my next cycle i'm thinking of running 150mg of dbol everyday for the first 2 weeks (instead of 25mg/ed for 6), i'm hoping i will get the results faster! ;)
Young D.. If you really decide to do that amount, please PM me so I can add you to the list of the people I have on my PRE MORTURARY LIST




TOUGH

Mudge
08-28-2005, 08:17 PM
Coleman takes 18+iu a day....I.M.O

Shit 18iu is nothing, I believe Munzer was on 20+ ED. There are guys all over the place on 10iu ED that are not pro. The last rumor I heard was Coleman being on 60 a day approximately, who knows, who cares.

4iu though is small time, some people start out on 4iu (some get nasty sides and do 2-3).

The Monkey Man
08-28-2005, 08:42 PM
What are these nasty sides????

Mudge
08-28-2005, 08:53 PM
Probably the most and first noticeable one is loss of sensation in the hands and tingling in the arms from tendon swelling/growth.

The Monkey Man
08-28-2005, 08:57 PM
Probably the most and first noticeable one is loss of sensation in the hands and tingling in the arms from tendon swelling/growth.
:eek: - but what of my girlfriends boobys...

JK... the prescription dose of GH, the doc told me about
was for large men my age and that was 2.4iu

Am I missing a decimal somewhere in those #'s about Coleman
and others - :confused:

Mudge
08-28-2005, 09:05 PM
Am I missing a decimal somewhere in those #'s about Coleman and others - :confused:

Not sure what you mean. He is certainly on far more than 4iu ED, thats about as credible as Lee Priest saying he does 2cc of deca a week and thats all.

Much smaller guys have used much more than 4iu ED, or even twice ED. 10iu ED gets pricey but its not abnormal to see it. I haven't used GH myself because of expense versus return. It might be nice someday though. Some people think high doses of GH are responsible for the Greg Kovacs phenomenon, which seemed to start with Dave Palumbo.

Greg Kovacs used to look pretty decent, 25 5/8" arms ripped. Now his legs and arms have atrophied severely, and his midsection is huge. He looks terrible. He also looks about 20 years older than he should.

The Monkey Man
08-28-2005, 09:09 PM
Not sure what you mean. He is certainly on far more than 4iu ED, thats about as credible as Lee Priest saying he does 2cc of deca a week and thats all.

Much smaller guys have used much more than 4iu ED, or even twice ED. 10iu ED gets pricey but its not abnormal to see it. I haven't used GH myself because of expense versus return. It might be nice someday though. Some people think high doses of GH are responsible for the Greg Kovacs phenomenon, which seemed to start with Dave Palumbo.I guess that explains all the freaky organ stuff - :lol:


2.4iu ED was the dose quoted me for active large men (IE BB's) average age 35
but it is $1k per month from the doc - :(

Mudge
08-28-2005, 09:11 PM
To legally obtain it in the US is very expensive, even at a discount. But even through other methods, I'm not willing to take the plunge just yet.

The Monkey Man
08-28-2005, 09:15 PM
To legally obtain it in the US is very expensive, even at a discount. But even through other methods, I'm not willing to take the plunge just yet.
I asked Toughy if he is using...

I thought that would be a good thing for a guy his age, but... :shrug:

Mudge
08-28-2005, 09:16 PM
Sure, for the LE community its a wonder "drug." I'm sure I'll be even more interested as I get older.

Its one of those things that unless you use insane amounts, seems to exibit only good things like cholesterol control, healthier skin, better attitude, avoidance of organ shrinkage as you age like the liver, and so on.

The Monkey Man
08-28-2005, 09:20 PM
Yes my interests in it were for improvements in,
Short Term Memory, Sleep Patterns, & Joint Health

Three major things I feel will improve my training and probably
life in general

Mudge
08-28-2005, 09:30 PM
Ginkgo biloba, vinpocetine
GABA (saw palmetto if its your prostate waking you up)
Glucosamine/chondroitin, MSM for joint lube

The Monkey Man
08-28-2005, 09:32 PM
Ginkgo biloba, vinpocetine
GABA (saw palmetto if its your prostate waking you up)
Glucosamine/chondroitin, MSM for joint lube
Sorry big guy...
Been there done that - :(

Although not the GABA

But, I'm pretty sure it's old age catching up with me - :scared:

lnvanry
08-28-2005, 10:50 PM
Shit 18iu is nothing, I believe Munzer was on 20+ ED. There are guys all over the place on 10iu ED that are not pro. The last rumor I heard was Coleman being on 60 a day approximately, who knows, who cares.

4iu though is small time, some people start out on 4iu (some get nasty sides and do 2-3).
I agree. I know a pro that runs 22iu and suggests that GH beginners run 4-8. I have also heard that GH gives little to no sides in smaller doses...and only short term use (meaning a couple of cycles only...not a lifestyle dosing).

I have been very curious about it...especially b/c of the help with tendon growth that is usually damaged from AS stacks; however, EQ repairs this as well and it exponentially cheaper.

swede3333
08-29-2005, 07:32 PM
Are these prices of $1000 common? I have frequently heard numbers more of $350 for 100iu kit but $1000? I have seen some websites that ask like $2,000 but thats just ludacris!

Mudge
08-29-2005, 07:34 PM
We are talking illegally obtained versus legally obtained.

swede3333
08-29-2005, 08:37 PM
Sorry, I was a little confused. I was under the assumption (apparently inccorect) that if you warranted a perscription then it would be covered under insurrance...otherwise if you did not "need" the substance and got a perscription regardless that would be considered "illegal" as well as the black market... I am obviously young and have much leaning to do ;)

Mudge
08-29-2005, 08:46 PM
Getting a prescription and having insurance cover it at 3x years old is going to be tough. If he lives in India I dont know how it works over there either.

For some getting a prescription is all they care about.

The Monkey Man
08-29-2005, 08:53 PM
It is considered a "COSMETIC" procedure
to administer GH injections or a prescription...

This will not be covered by any insurance I know of...

Thats why I keep asking about costs - :(

swede3333
08-29-2005, 09:41 PM
"cosmetic"... I guess I can see that... very interesting. Maybe we should start our own medical insurrance company ;) Non-Taxable Expense!! jk - a little exagerated Robert Kiosaki logic at work ;)