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NJ-Surfer
05-26-2006, 05:10 AM
Can someone send me a link or thread with a good introduction to testosterone use and PCT. There is a lot of info out there but I can't find anything that has good summarized general information. The is a great sticky for pro-hormones in the supplement section and I was wondering if there was an equivalent one for steriods.:thumb:

CG
05-26-2006, 05:39 AM
check the sticky about T cycles and everything above, helped me alot

TBAR
05-26-2006, 05:43 AM
Mudge, Foreman, Tough, and Pirate really know their shit as well if you can't find what you're looking for. They'll tell you what kind of cycle to do, then Trouble will tell what it all means....

Tough Old Man
05-26-2006, 07:59 AM
Can someone send me a link or thread with a good introduction to testosterone use and PCT. There is a lot of info out there but I can't find anything that has good summarized general information. The is a great sticky for pro-hormones in the supplement section and I was wondering if there was an equivalent one for steriods.:thumb:

1. Be at least 21-23 years of age.
2. Have been lifting well for several years.
3. Have a detailed understanding of diet and nutrition.
4. Have a detailed understanding of any substance they wish to put into their body.
5. Consider the following cycle:

Weeks 01-10 500mg Test E - two injections per week @ 250mg
Weeks 11-12 Maintain clean diet and lifting
Weeks 13-14 40mg Nolvadex per day
Weeks 15-18 20mg Nolvadex per day
10mg a day until you feel normal again

Now you know and don’t need to ask


Tough

luke69duke69
05-26-2006, 08:40 AM
Tough you should put a link to that last post as your sig. Would save a shitload of typing.

NJ-Surfer
05-26-2006, 01:56 PM
1. Be at least 21-23 years of age.
2. Have been lifting well for several years.
3. Have a detailed understanding of diet and nutrition.
4. Have a detailed understanding of any substance they wish to put into their body.
5. Consider the following cycle:

Weeks 01-10 500mg Test E - two injections per week @ 250mg
Weeks 11-12 Maintain clean diet and lifting
Weeks 13-14 40mg Nolvadex per day
Weeks 15-18 20mg Nolvadex per day
10mg a day until you feel normal again

Thanks for the info. I have steps 1-3 covered (38yrs old, lifting regularly 5 years, track diet on Excel, only 1 cheat day a week) and Im currently working on step 4. This will obviously be my first and hopefully only cycle so I would like to keep it simple. The stickies talk a lot about the improtance of HCG in the post cycle therapy, is this overrated. Also, if gyno becomes an issue would I start the Nolva earlier in the cycle?? If so what would that program look like? Thanks again for the help!!

jasone
05-26-2006, 02:14 PM
These guys are still hung up on the whole test thing. Deca, keep it between 300-400 mgs per week. Eight week cycle, get off, no pct. Simple as that. And it will not shut you down unless you are an old impotent viagra pill popper. The fewer drugs the safer. In fact, don't take any of it. I'm doing fine without this junk.

GFR
05-26-2006, 06:44 PM
These guys are still hung up on the whole test thing. Deca, keep it between 300-400 mgs per week. Eight week cycle, get off, no pct. Simple as that. And it will not shut you down unless you are an old impotent viagra pill popper. The fewer drugs the safer. In fact, don't take any of it. I'm doing fine without this junk.Some of the worst advice I have read here in months.

Mudge
05-26-2006, 06:55 PM
These guys are still hung up on the whole test thing. Deca, keep it between 300-400 mgs per week. Eight week cycle, get off, no pct. Simple as that. And it will not shut you down unless you are an old impotent viagra pill popper. The fewer drugs the safer. In fact, don't take any of it. I'm doing fine without this junk.

Deca does indeed cause suppression just as anything else does, even anavar causes suppression. Deca alone does not work for everyone, I would venture to say it doesn't work very well for many. You can find plenty of young males who run into problems using deca even running testosterone with it.

Some respond quite well, I for one didn't find it that exciting.

P.S. This DRUG is used for chemical castration in the United States.

jasone
05-26-2006, 07:07 PM
Deca does indeed cause suppression just as anything else does, even anavar causes suppression. Deca alone does not work for everyone, I would venture to say it doesn't work very well for many. You can find plenty of young males who run into problems using deca even running testosterone with it.

Some respond quite well, I for one didn't find it that exciting.

P.S. This DRUG is used for chemical castration in the United States.
What doses do they use for chemical castration? Just curious, was also wondering if test or deca could act as birth controll during cycle.

Mudge
05-26-2006, 09:24 PM
Unreliable birth control, you are going to war with statistics and hoping to win but you have no idea unless you get tested yourself.

And, it only takes 1 to get the job done.

Doses I wouldn't know of, it may well vary from person to person just like HRT. There are some references though if you'd like to search on your own. Some people take 400mg of deca alone and have zero problems, other people look at it and go limp. Not everyone is the same.

1. Berlin FS. "Chemical castration" for sex offenders. N Engl J Med. 1997 Apr 3;336(14):1030

2. Crenshaw, Theresa L. ,With Goldberg, James P. "Sexual Pharmacology; Drugs That Affect Sexual Functioning", W. W. Norton & Company, March 1994

3. Cagnacci A, et al " Regulation of the 24-hour Rhythm of Body Temperature in Menstrual Cycles with Spontaneous and Gonadotropin-induced Ovulation" Fertil Steril. 1997 Sep;68(3):421-5.

4. Gladkova AI. "The Regulation of Male Sexual Behavior by the Sex Hormones"

Usp Fiziol Nauk. 1999 Jan-Mar;30(1):97-105

5. Kiersch TA. "Treatment of Sex Offenders with Depo-Provera." Bull Am Acad Psychiatry Law. 1990;18(2):179-87

6. King, DS, et al, "Effect of Oral Androstenedione on Serum Testosterone and Adaptations to Resistance Training in Young Men: a Randomized Controlled Trial". , JAMA. 1999 Jun 2;281(21):2020-8

7. Mauvais-Jarvis P, et al. "Inhibition of Testosterone Conversion to Dihydrotestosterone in Men Treated Percutaneously by Progesterone" J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1974 Jan;38(1):142-7.

8. McEwen BS.," Clinical Review 108: The Molecular and Neuroanatomical Basis for Estrogen Effects in the Central Nervous System." J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1999 Jun;84(6):1790-7

9. Personal communication to K. Ullis, M.D. from UCLA Sports Medicine researchers.

10. Reznik Y, et al. Rising plasma levels of 19-nortestosterone throughout pregnancy: determination by radioimmunoassay and validation by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry.

11. Thorneycroft IH. "Update on Androgenicity" Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1999 Feb;180(2 Pt 2):288-94

GFR
05-26-2006, 09:30 PM
If you are on cycle all the time then yes it is very good birth control, my wife and I used no birth controll for 3 years and she didn't get pregnant, plus I had several friends in the same boat. But when I came off cycle she got knocked up fast.

topolo
05-26-2006, 10:14 PM
But when I came off cycle she got knocked up fast.

By who?

GFR
05-26-2006, 10:16 PM
By who?I wish.......should get a DNA test but it is too late....in this shit hole country the husband is the open wallet for any kid his wife pumps out no matter who the father is.

topolo
05-26-2006, 10:31 PM
I wish.......should get a DNA test but it is too late....in this shit hole country the husband is the open wallet for any kid his wife pumps out no matter who the father is.

:rofl:

Mudge
05-26-2006, 11:12 PM
Supposedly it takes around 6 months to fix azoospermia, which means post cycle most people wont fix the problem.

Yet others who are on multiple grams of drugs per week, will impregnate their wives while on cycle.

EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT.

NJ-Surfer
05-27-2006, 04:31 AM
:offtopic:

OK, so Deca was bad advice. Back to the post for a first time cycle on Test.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tough Old Man
1. Be at least 21-23 years of age.
2. Have been lifting well for several years.
3. Have a detailed understanding of diet and nutrition.
4. Have a detailed understanding of any substance they wish to put into their body.
5. Consider the following cycle:

Weeks 01-10 500mg Test E - two injections per week @ 250mg
Weeks 11-12 Maintain clean diet and lifting
Weeks 13-14 40mg Nolvadex per day
Weeks 15-18 20mg Nolvadex per day
10mg a day until you feel normal again



I have steps 1-3 covered (38yrs old, lifting regularly 5 years, track diet on Excel, only 1 cheat day a week) and Im currently working on step 4. As stated this is my first and hopefully only cycle so I would like to keep it simple. The stickies talk a lot about the improtance of HCG in the post cycle therapy, is this overrated. Also, if gyno becomes an issue would I start the Nolva earlier in the cycle?? If so what would that program look like? Thanks again for the help!!

BigPapaPump68
05-27-2006, 05:01 AM
The cycle is fine. If gyno does appear, you would start nolva early at 40mg.

Tough Old Man
05-28-2006, 04:39 PM
These guys are still hung up on the whole test thing. Deca, keep it between 300-400 mgs per week. Eight week cycle, get off, no pct. Simple as that. And it will not shut you down unless you are an old impotent viagra pill popper. The fewer drugs the safer. In fact, don't take any of it. I'm doing fine without this junk.
You need to stop talking to the pharmacist at Wal-Mart as you have no fucking clue what your talking about sonny.

jasone
05-28-2006, 05:49 PM
You need to stop talking to the pharmacist at Wal-Mart as you have no fucking clue what your talking about sonny.
I see your on viagra sir. Nothing wrong with my yang.

GFR
05-29-2006, 02:04 AM
I see your on viagra sir. Nothing wrong with my yang.Your yang might be ok but your steroid advice is limp.

luke69duke69
05-29-2006, 07:00 AM
These guys are still hung up on the whole test thing. Deca, keep it between 300-400 mgs per week. Eight week cycle, get off, no pct. Simple as that. And it will not shut you down unless you are an old impotent viagra pill popper. The fewer drugs the safer. In fact, don't take any of it. I'm doing fine without this junk.

Where do you do your research or do you just make shit up as you go? Deca most certainly shuts you down. Each person's different as to how much, but it will definitely shut you down.

Power321
06-05-2006, 08:20 AM
Deca must be taken with TEST, or its a waste , yes it will lean you out and you may gain 5 lbs, but it will evenutally shut you down, Tset will counter the shut down, and synergistically add to the DECA giving awsome results, it is said that arnolds favorite cycle was a deca, test combo its my favorit as well hands down the best.