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BiG DoG
10-26-2006, 11:49 AM
I have a few P/H's , I was wondering what the best combos would would be, so with some research done here in the past This is what Ive come up with.

I was going to combine some Hi-Test(4-AD+19-Nor-Andro) With some M-1T.

OR

"mass builder"(hydroxy test+ Methyl 4-AD + 4-AD)Transdermal with 1-AD.

Any problems with these being compatable?

Im 32, I have a great pct plan thanks to this board.

Thanks.

Pirate!
10-26-2006, 05:10 PM
Stack transdermal 4-ad with M1T or 1-ad. That's all you need.

BiG DoG
10-26-2006, 09:12 PM
Thanks Pirate I would prefer to do this but the transdermal 4-ad I have also has Hydroxy test and methyl 4-ad, I understand that you should Avoid taking two methylated compounds at once so I wanted to make sure that the way I presented it in my original question would be fine.

The oral 4-ad I have has 19-nor-andro.
Do you see a problem with the combos I laid out?

Thanks, a reply from you means somthing as I have respect for your knowledge.

Pirate!
10-27-2006, 04:43 AM
I see. Here is the problem: oral 4-ad and 19-nor-andro are worthless.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about using methyl 4-ad with M1T for 4-5 weeks.

Looks like your best option is the transdermal mix with the 1-ad.

What doses do you have in mind?

ZECH
10-27-2006, 06:04 AM
I have a few P/H's , I was wondering what the best combos would would be, so with some research done here in the past This is what Ive come up with.

I was going to combine some Hi-Test(4-AD+19-Nor-Andro) With some M-1T.

OR

"mass builder"(hydroxy test+ Methyl 4-AD + 4-AD)Transdermal with 1-AD.

Any problems with these being compatable?

Im 32, I have a great pct plan thanks to this board.

Thanks.

4AD and 19 nor both convert to test. No reason to take both. M4AD & 4AD mixed may be asking for gyno problems if you may be prone to it.
Like Pirate said, a 4AD-1test combo or 4AD-M1Test combo is your best choice.

Pirate!
10-27-2006, 08:01 PM
Looks like his 4-ad transdermal already has the other stuff mixed in, though.

Big Dog, do you have any anti-estrogens or SERMs (like nolva)?

BiG DoG
10-27-2006, 10:26 PM
Im not sure If im prone to gyno, never done a cycle yet?

Pirate,
Thats exactlly it, I dont have 4-ad alone by itself. Anything I have with 4-ad in it has other stuff.
The 4-ad I wanted to combat lethargy and some of the sides.

I have 100 tabs of Clomid at 50 mg.
Maybe start the clomid before my actual pct, or just keep it real close by in case gyno hits?

Pirate!
10-28-2006, 05:53 PM
Clomid won't help much, if at all, for gyno. You need tamoxifen or raloxifene for that.

What have you used for prior pcts?

Fireplug
10-30-2006, 10:03 AM
Pirate, on the PCT, what would be the effects of taking clomid or nolva during the cycle as well as after? Would taking it during the cycle help releive some of the sides?

Pirate!
10-30-2006, 05:17 PM
Nolva on cycle could prevent or treat gyno, but I doubt you will have gyno problems with that stack. I see no point in using clomid on cycle, personally.