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Originally posted by Sub-Zero
Besides close grip chins , wat exercises can I do to build up the lower portion of my lats.
Cause like TCD already said, the lat is one muscle and whatever you do is gonna hit the whole thing.Originally posted by Snake_Eyes
Why do those never hit my lower lats? They always seem to hit the whole thing.
Originally posted by KryptoAllez
One muscle GROUP but made up of individual fibers which connect at different angles to the fascia which connect at different angles along the vertebra.
Originally posted by Snake_Eyes
No Krypto, I'm afraid that it is in fact a single muscle, not a group.
The latissimus dorsi is just one muscle; it either contracts or it doesn't.
The traps, rhomboids, and other miscellaneous muscles of the upper back are structured like that; but they also have separate innervations for their varied components. Either way, its incredibly difficult, due to the way mechanical force is distributed through the muscle, to cause isolational growth in any one part of any muscle.
Originally posted by Snake_Eyes
No Krypto, I'm afraid that it is in fact a single muscle, not a group.
The latissimus dorsi is just one muscle; it either contracts or it doesn't.
The traps, rhomboids, and other miscellaneous muscles of the upper back are structured like that; but they also have separate innervations for their varied components. Either way, its incredibly difficult, due to the way mechanical force is distributed through the muscle, to cause isolational growth in any one part of any muscle.
However, neurologically, muscles aren't wired that way. When the signal is sent to contract, it contracts.
Originally posted by Snake_Eyes
Well, essentially, yes. Different types of muscle fibers are distributed rather evenly throughout the muscle. Recruiting a different type of fiber is a different thing from preferential recruitment of muscle fibers in different parts of the muscle.
EMG and MRI tests aren't entirely accurate. They show activation, yes, but they don't account for tension. Tension is what causes the growth.
Difference in feel with different exercises is natural, and its because its a different movement. The proprioceptors give different feedback for any different movement. A dumbell press feels different from a barbell press, but the same muscles are working.
Originally posted by TJohn
Without getting into this again.... I'm with you Krytpo !! and you are much more able to back up the argument.
TJohn
Originally posted by Snake_Eyes
Read above.
Originally posted by KryptoAllez
And there have been studies using EMG and magnetic resonance tests utilizing different exercises, SHOWING more activity in certain areas. And personally I don't even need a study to show me that, I can FEEL differences between changing exercises, varying grips and angles. I don't need a study to show me that.