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TrojanMan60563
11-04-2007, 01:22 PM
Pros and Cons wanted.

I know it loses some strength...does anyone know at what rate?

Is it still safe to shoot gear 6 months to a year expired?

Thanks guys.

musclepump
11-04-2007, 02:43 PM
Where was it stored? If it was in a dark, relatively cool place, I'd say you'll have minimal loss of potency over the course of a year.

Also, is it UGL or Human grade? If it's the latter, actual expiration dates are usually well after what they're labeled for pharmaceutical purposes. If it's UGL... well, they probably put it there for looks and nothing else.

All said, if you don't want it, you can send it to me :)

Mudge
11-04-2007, 03:33 PM
FDA says after expiration 10% is lost, which is typically 3 years time - so its not that significant.

TrojanMan60563
11-04-2007, 06:33 PM
If unopened its still steril right? I would assume being air tight no bacteria would get in there and grow.

Mudge what about HCG that is expired? Is that still ok?

musclepump
11-04-2007, 08:55 PM
Yep, still sterile

X Ring
12-02-2007, 09:11 PM
so the m1t and 4ad that were stored in a cool dark relatively dry place that expired in June 05 are probably still ok?


And to be way off topic, can you take 4ad solo if you were a little chicken shit of doing m1t with it and having to run the legal risks to buy nolvadex?

X Ring
12-06-2007, 06:56 AM
so the m1t and 4ad that were stored in a cool dark relatively dry place that expired in June 05 are probably still ok?


And to be way off topic, can you take 4ad solo if you were a little chicken shit of doing m1t with it and having to run the legal risks to buy nolvadex?

Anyone? :hmmm:

largepkg
12-06-2007, 09:46 AM
Could you do 4ad solo? Sure but not sure why one would. 4 ad by itself will yield little to no gains.

If you chose to do m1t, start out @ 10mg ED for the first week to feel it out. Maybe even run the full 4 weeker at the amount. I doubt you'll run into many sides @ 10mg. Also, if you train and eat properly with this 4 weeker you'll be very happy with the results.

quark
12-06-2007, 10:43 AM
Would the sides be less if 1AD (the original) was substituted for the M1t, still assuming a stack with 4AD?

largepkg
12-06-2007, 11:20 AM
Sure they potential sides would be less but your gains will not come anything close to m1t. m1t is a very powerful steroid. 1ad is a mild (in my experience) prohormone.

X Ring
12-06-2007, 11:22 AM
Could you do 4ad solo? Sure but not sure why one would. 4 ad by itself will yield little to no gains.

If you chose to do m1t, start out @ 10mg ED for the first week to feel it out. Maybe even run the full 4 weeker at the amount. I doubt you'll run into many sides @ 10mg. Also, if you train and eat properly with this 4 weeker you'll be very happy with the results.

Thanks I wasnt sure if 4ad would yield anything solo that would be worthwhile.

My concern with running m1t and 4ad is that I need to illegally buy nolvadex. Maybe I am just to worried about that kind of stuff?

Not to mention I will probably get hooked on the results and want to keep up with cycles

largepkg
12-06-2007, 12:43 PM
Well yes, getting positive results tends to keep the interest in what it is that your doing.

Purchase the Nolva from Ag-guys. They sell it for animal/testing purposes and its legal.

ZECH
12-06-2007, 06:03 PM
4 ad by itself will yield little to no gains.



Not true. 4AD transdermal was my favorite and I got good gains from it by itself. Good strength builder.

TrojanMan60563
12-06-2007, 07:27 PM
If this is going to turn into a PH/PS..... I'll chime in that 1-TU by Nutrex was amazing...low sides and rediculous results.

largepkg
12-07-2007, 06:59 AM
Not true. 4AD transdermal was my favorite and I got good gains from it by itself. Good strength builder.

I stand corrected.

X Ring
12-07-2007, 08:41 AM
ok so to stay some what on topic. is m1t and 4ad 2-2.5 yrs old any good?

And to get some what off topic again. If I run 4ad for 4 weeks in the amount most people run with m1t do I need a PCT. If so maybe I just get some nolva from a farm and run an easy cycle

jamesbell01
01-12-2008, 10:12 AM
I have an old script of anodral fifty with an expire date of 05/06. I took about one a day and never notice much of a difference or increase at all outside of generalized to very obvious side pain from liver toxicity. What gives? Now I am out of my cyp and still have the old bottle, tempted to take again for second try at it. MFG: OREAD (Unimed) DEA#BM5206001
label ink a little rubbed off from setting in underwear drawer all this time.

Also, my Doc requires to blood tests per year at 380 bucks a whak, it gets old fast. Any other way to avoid doing it twice a year?

jamesbell01
01-12-2008, 10:14 AM
jumping in late, whats 4ad?

ZECH
01-12-2008, 03:12 PM
jumping in late, whats 4ad?

A PH which is now banned and illegal.

Pirate!
01-12-2008, 08:30 PM
Many drugs lose very little potency after experation. I believe aspirin is less than 2% loss. However, oils break down and become rancid. Gear is cheap enough to not bother risking shooting oils that are 6 months expired, IMO. Chances are, it's safe. It it isn't, you could regret it. With orals, I'd do it.

jamesbell01
01-13-2008, 07:37 AM
Anyone more experienced with Anodral 50? I was able to acquire a script 2 years back on a huge bottle of anodral, like 300 tabs and even had insurance cover it. took one a day for several weeks with little to no affect outside of lower abdomen and lower right back pain, (liver toxicity build up no doubt) The script was filled via unimed and also came with the rest of my scripts that were very good/ viable product. WHAT GIVES with the fricken anodral? I still have approx 20- 30 tabs left, expired last May. Any advice on a better way to consume or make use of the anodral? Thanks guys, jamesbell01@netzero.com or reply here.

ironman13
02-03-2008, 07:24 PM
anyone know where to find ergopharm 1ad now days?