Thread: Debbie Bramwell. . . The Power and the Passion!

Interesting.

a. I'm not into basketball players. I dunno, maybe my cluelessness about the game influences my preferences? Now baseball, 'nother story.
b. Sassy, when you mentioned her height, it kind of clicked for me. I'm 5'1 and my father's side is blocky like that. Stocky Irish the lot of us.
c. I'm intrigued by the response about what women's bodies do when steroids are introduced.

Originally Posted by Prince

I posted this because I think her physique is amazing

I agree and it's very obvious she's worked very hard to get at the elite level she's attained! I wish her the best.

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

I understand your point of view... it's just A LOT of men find skinny fat girls a lot more attractive than strong, cut girls.

Some guys think any definition at all is a turn off.

Now they could just have bad taste but I do think it is the general populations preferance.

most Men would be too intimidated and way out of the league dating such an Amazonian Beauty . . but not the Captn' . .

really? wow. I'd agree she's a bit past the fitness model physique but I definitely wouldn't be dogging her. I'm impressed, knowing the time and effort it takes. I like the look of a muscular barbie better, but to each their own. She has a pretty face. No amount of exercising fixes ugly.

She looks awesome and is probably one of the nicest pros out there. Super positive and helpful all the time. I love Debbie.

Me loves me some little Debbie. One of the nicest peoples iv ever met.

Originally Posted by heavyiron

She looks awesome and is probably one of the nicest pros out there. Super positive and helpful all the time. I love Debbie.

Peek-a-boo.

she looks awesome and if i wasnt married i would date her in a minute. i like the bber look on woman, but, i tried getting my wife to go to the gym with my sister who is a competitor herself, but she wont do it. but i love my wife so i guess in the hearafter lol. imo

Originally Posted by sassy69

I appreciate your response.

What drives me nuts tho, is that she's a pro-level competitor in a sport that many of us here at least set as the pinnacle of bodybuilding, but as a female, the only response is whether or not she's fuckable.

When I watch a pro basketball game, I don't decide who I want to win by who has the most fuckable center. When I watch the men's BB, I don't look to see who is the most fuckable.

Just kinda drives me nuts.

Frankly I can't think of a male BB who is as balanced as Debbie is - she's got full muscle bellies and balance all the way around.

Kathy - Debbie is small - I'm thinking like 5'1"-5'2" Many short competitors (men & women) can tend to be more blocky than proportional, so she just carries her mass very well.

Hold on, you sure you never have? I doubt that 100%. I am sure at times youve admired good old hard earned work, but I can safely assume without knowing you whatsoever that if you are heterosexual (or even gay) youd look at a physique and be turned on instantly.

This is not to say you do this every single time youre turned on. I mean sure, you can get turned on by someones conversation but I am sure youve been turned on just from looks alone.

Anyway, I bolded 2 statements. I have seen a SHITLOAD of girls root and cheer for George St. Pierre just on looks alone. They know nothing of his fighting caliber, who hes fought, or what work ethic he has to working out nor cutting weight. Its strictly on looks and making a bullshit reason later when asked why they cheer for him.

Point? The pillar swings both ways. I shake my head and look down on the fact they like this athlete only based on looks, but the bottom line is I understand it.

This is a very hard subject to debate with because the results dont work both ways. When a man works out, he looks like a man. No gender crossing looks. However when a woman follows a similar route, like or not, she loses her feminine look. Now, instead of looking at hard work, we may see a transvestite look instead because its more obvious than the muscles. In fact, the muscles add to the overall look.

Not trying to change the world here. Just a matter of something you cannot control nor should it matter if you care about results more than approval.

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Hold on, you sure you never have? I doubt that 100%. I am sure at times youve admired good old hard earned work, but I can safely assume without knowing you whatsoever that if you are heterosexual (or even gay) youd look at a physique and be turned on instantly.

This is not to say you do this every single time youre turned on. I mean sure, you can get turned on by someones conversation but I am sure youve been turned on just from looks alone.

Anyway, I bolded 2 statements. I have seen a SHITLOAD of girls root and cheer for George St. Pierre just on looks alone. They know nothing of his fighting caliber, who hes fought, or what work ethic he has to working out nor cutting weight. Its strictly on looks and making a bullshit reason later when asked why they cheer for him.

Point? The pillar swings both ways. I shake my head and look down on the fact they like this athlete only based on looks, but the bottom line is I understand it.

This is a very hard subject to debate with because the results dont work both ways. When a man works out, he looks like a man. No gender crossing looks. However when a woman follows a similar route, like or not, she loses her feminine look. Now, instead of looking at hard work, we may see a transvestite look instead because its more obvious than the muscles. In fact, the muscles add to the overall look.

Not trying to change the world here. Just a matter of something you cannot control nor should it matter if you care about results more than approval.

Speaking ONLY for myself - I have been in competitive BB for 10 yrs, in the lifting arena for going on 30 yrs - I will always judge a competitor on physique first in a discussion of competitive bodybuilding and same for any other sport. I don't "judge" a person's ability to compete in that sport by how fuckable they are. The two are fairly mutually exclusive.

Originally Posted by sassy69

Speaking ONLY for myself - I have been in competitive BB for 10 yrs, in the lifting arena for going on 30 yrs - I will always judge a competitor on physique first in a discussion of competitive bodybuilding and same for any other sport. I don't "judge" a person's ability to compete in that sport by how fuckable they are. The two are fairly mutually exclusive.

I may have loosely explained it, but since your explanation is clear enough, id have to say I doubt it.

Youve never had an inkling of a desire to see someone you would consider "fuckable" to succeed above others? You can literally turn it off?

Originally Posted by AKIRA

I may have loosely explained it, but since your explanation is clear enough, id have to say I doubt it.

Youve never had an inkling of a desire to see someone you would consider "fuckable" to succeed above others? You can literally turn it off?

I don't go to a competition, look at the guys and yell out "HOLY GOD, I"D NEVER FUCK THAT W/ A BORROWED PUSSY!" or "HOLY MAMA I WANNA CLIMB ON YOU NOW DADDY!"

If one person has a superior physique, better balance, whatever over another, they should win. Anything beyond that may be a secondary thought that passes thru my mind but it certainly has nothing to do w/ who has the superior physique. I've helped a lot of people w/ their posing over the years, so that's where my eye goes first.

I agree that her physique is amazing. I don't see how "fuckability" comes into play when judging the female form in bodybuilding. Some competitors may be more physically attractive than others, but it should have no bearing on the success or failure of a given competitor. Balance, symmetry, vascularity and presentation is what wins shows-not who is the most physically attractive. It's not a matter of not noticing, but more a matter of it being a non-factor. If judges are focused on physical beauty, the contest becomes nothing more than a beauty contest. I think there is a lot more to the sport than that.

Originally Posted by sassy69

I don't go to a competition, look at the guys and yell out "HOLY GOD, I"D NEVER FUCK THAT W/ A BORROWED PUSSY!" or "HOLY MAMA I WANNA CLIMB ON YOU NOW DADDY!"

If one person has a superior physique, better balance, whatever over another, they should win. Anything beyond that may be a secondary thought that passes thru my mind but it certainly has nothing to do w/ who has the superior physique. I've helped a lot of people w/ their posing over the years, so that's where my eye goes first.

Judging by the point that you used all caps in response to something I did not use all caps with, Id say this is getting too personal.

This is all in response to your quarry about why its difficult for us, men, the general population, God, whomever, to look at the hard work first and as you called it "fuckability" second. I responded by what I personally think.

I am not a judge. I am not the person you are trying to impress. But when you ask why it could be judged on a beauty scale rather than a work scale, I gave you possible answers. You dont have to agree.

Do I think they worked hard? Yeah, more than I ever have at it.
Do I think they look good? No way.

There. I asked the important question first. Happy?

Originally Posted by MDR

I agree that her physique is amazing. I don't see how "fuckability" comes into play when judging the female form in bodybuilding. Some competitors may be more physically attractive than others, but it should have no bearing on the success or failure of a given competitor. Balance, symmetry, vascularity and presentation is what wins shows-not who is the most physically attractive. It's not a matter of not noticing, but more a matter of it being a non-factor. If judges are focused on physical beauty, the contest becomes nothing more than a beauty contest. I think there is a lot more to the sport than that.

Honestly, I dont see much of a difference. Both take a lot of work.

Maybe both take a lot of work, but I see a hell of a lot of difference. As far as judging appearances, of course you are entitled to your opinion. But I don't think it has any place in the sport, any more than if you judged any athlete on their sexual desirability.

Originally Posted by MDR

Maybe both take a lot of work, but I see a hell of a lot of difference. As far as judging appearances, of course you are entitled to your opinion. But I don't think it has any place in the sport, any more than if you judged any athlete on their sexual desirability.

Which is why I brought up George St. Pierre. Look, NONE of us are judges, yet some peeps still made a comment on how attractive she is or isnt. sassy wanted to discuss how its interesting. We arent going to change anything, but id like to assume people on here arent generally stupid. I may be biased to think this, but I believe it is rather obvious why some of the female bodybuilders would be considered unattractive. Prince made this thread in discussion about her physique. Makes sense, this is a bodybuilding site. However, we speak freely here and its crazy to me that some people dont understand why the comments come as they do, unless they just want to have a discussion which I am all for.

As far as the quote, a hell of a lot of difference? Well sure. There is a hell of a lot of difference between basketball training and powerlifting training. They both yield 2 different outcomes. Yet bodybuliding and beauty contest still take place on a stage, judged solely on a display of results rather than performance, and hmm...both have swimsuits. Also the beauty contest people have to speak and answer political questions..

Id like to point out that I was not the person who started the attractive scale in this thread..

Originally Posted by Prince

I posted this because I think her physique is amazing and she is still hot! (I don't normally like the look of a female bodybuilder this big)

Not pin pointing you Prince cuz the next reply stated how she looks like a man and that shes on drugs.

At first, sassy, I didnt know if youre immediate thread response to CORUM was in direct response to the drug use or the man face.

CORUM doesnt know, you dont know, I dont know, but I do know that HGH does have some side effects such as enlarging facial structures. I have a big nose and thought that if I took HGH I may need to train my neck to keep my schnoz in place when I walk.

In any case, genetics or not, God didnt intend the female to look like that. And ill say this, drugs or not, it took a lot of work to net these results.

Again, you are of course entitled to your opinion. I just happen to feel that muscular women can still be very attractive, and that she is an excellent example of this. I'm not asking for you to agree with me, just that either way it has no place in the judging of a contest. I think she is very attractive, but I've spent a lot of time around bodybuilding and powerlifting, and known very muscular women who I still saw as very feminine. For me, I immediately think back to when I was in college, and I knew Shelley Beattie. I know her quite well back then. She competed a few years later in the Olympia, and if memory serves, placed fourth. She tragically passed away a few years later, but I'll always remember her as a beautiful woman, inside and out. One of the great things about this forum is that we can debate and disagree and have a forum to discuss issues such as this. I don't think you are by any means in the minority here, but that fact does make me a little bit sad, because as a society we do tend to diminish women in general by judging feminine beauty is such restrictive terms. Just one man's opinion, take it for what you will.

Bare in mind the discussion did go onto a tangent. A predictable one, but the first disputable notation didnt involve contest judging.

Tangent is one way to put it. For the third time, I recognize your right to express your views on feminine beauty. Others hold a decidedly different view. Personally, I feel the important thing is that people don't allow such views to affect their judgment of what is without a doubt a remarkable athletic achievement. I think the respect and admiration is well-deserved and should be given freely, with no negative judgment or qualification.

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

I'm sure she is very nice... but I wouldn't date her.

I can appreciate the work she must put into it but saying she looks fantastic... I think the only person that would agree with that is other competitors. She is built, strong, cut, all that... but she isn't hot at all

Thats pretty arrogant & funny at the same time. What makes you think that she would actually date you?

Cuz I doubt her competition for a date is high.

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Cuz I doubt her competition for a date is high.

Actually it is.
Debbie has such a charming personality to go along with her striking appearance until she does get hit on a lot.

People that are disgusted by muscle ladies would be surprised how these ladies (the prettier ones) that have guys that want to go out with them because they are different.

But thin that herd by removing schmoes who get off on a lady flexing a bicep & guys that initially are hot & heavy for these girls, but end up being threatened by a woman that is "strong" in appearance later is a different story.

That post I quoted just kind of stuck out because I see guys & girls in general, that say they wouldn't date someone, when they werent even asked to begin with. Kind of condescending.

Tracy and I know Debbie and she is an awesome lady !!