My Brain just exploded

TJ Cline · 07-13-2006, 08:22 PM

Ok one of my best friends is going to do a natural BB show. He did a few about 10 years ago and did very well. He is 6'3 and 285 right now. He competed at 240-250 back in the day and was almost ripped. He is 100% natural and knows his shit about training....but diet

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He has 14 weeks to get to 250, he is on a 5000 cal diet and I think that is way too high. This first show is a tune up so no worries. My question is what would be a good cut diet ( losing 2+ lbs a week ) for a natural guy this size.

I told him better to diet too much now than the last 3-4 weeks....I suggested a 3500 cal diet for starters.

topolo · 07-13-2006, 08:54 PM

Wow, what a great story.

TJ Cline · 07-13-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by topolo

Wow, what a great story.

Thanks for the help, you really have out done yourself this time.

topolo · 07-13-2006, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Thanks for the help, you really have out done yourself this time.

For what it's woth, I think you are correct. 5000 seems way too high.

TJ Cline · 07-13-2006, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by topolo

For what it's woth, I think you are correct. 5000 seems way too high.

I'm 250 and 5000 cal would make me a fat pig....well I should say it did make me a fat pig

topolo · 07-13-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I'm 250 and 5000 cal would make me a fat pig....well I should say it did make me a fat pig

Are you sure he really knows that much about training and diet?

TJ Cline · 07-13-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by topolo

Are you sure he really knows that much about training and diet?

He knows how to train but his diet is shit....Typical guy with great genetics who never had to learn how to eat.

MyK · 07-13-2006, 09:26 PM

is he hawt?

seth042280 · 07-13-2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I told him better to diet too much now than the last 3-4 weeks....I suggested a 35000 cal diet for starters.

35000 calorie diet ?

TJ Cline · 07-13-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by seth042280

35000 calorie diet ?

Typo Einstein

bigss75 · 07-13-2006, 10:24 PM

5000 is way too high if he needs to get to 250. He can drop a good ten pounds of water weight but its still 2 pounds a week.

Martinogdenbsx · 07-15-2006, 12:08 PM

i'd even say 3000 calories in the last week or 2 before the competition plsu he is gonna drop a good amount of water weight right before

Im not really sure on diet for compeitions

sorry

hardasnails1973 · 07-15-2006, 05:56 PM

start caloires high and implement cardio at 45 minutes for 5 days a week and after 2 weeks access if after 2 weeks no improvement drop caloires to 4500 keep cardio the same after another 2 weeks drop 4000 caloires if not dropping keep at another day cardio at 45 minutes lower to 3500 ..on days not training may be lower them 20 % keep in fats and protein the same and dropping carbs mainly. I prefer to see people keep higher calories and do alittle more cardio. Change one varibale at a time so you know what is working and what is not...may be increase BCAAS and glutemine before and after cardio and workout to keep nitrogen balance up. Cardio can be anabolic if used properly and carefully

TJ Cline · 07-15-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hardasnails1973

start caloires high and implement cardio at 45 minutes for 5 days a week and after 2 weeks access if after 2 weeks no improvement drop caloires to 4500 keep cardio the same after another 2 weeks drop 4000 caloires if not dropping keep at another day cardio at 45 minutes lower to 3500 ..on days not training may be lower them 20 % keep in fats and protein the same and dropping carbs mainly. I prefer to see people keep higher calories and do alittle more cardio. Change one varibale at a time so you know what is working and what is not...may be increase BCAAS and glutemine before and after cardio and workout to keep nitrogen balance up. Cardio can be anabolic if used properly and carefully

I disagree with the extreme cardio idea....all that will do is burn as much muscle as fat....not good.

viet_jon · 07-17-2006, 09:46 AM

forman asking questions?

aceshigh · 07-17-2006, 10:25 AM

i thought foreman knew all??????????

TJ Cline · 07-17-2006, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by aceshigh

i thought foreman knew all??????????

I don't know much about contest prep...esp for a guy 40+ lbs over his target weight and only 13-14 weeks till the show.

aceshigh · 07-17-2006, 10:36 AM

i know a guy u can talk to,,,,,ill set it up on aa

shiznit2169 · 07-17-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I don't know much about contest prep...esp for a guy 40+ lbs over his target weight and only 13-14 weeks till the show.

Seek advice from bodybuilding experts who know their shit .. like dimaggio or musclepump or other people with experience. You're not going to get much from us since the majority of us just train to be healthy, strong and big.

TJ Cline · 07-17-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by aceshigh

i know a guy u can talk to,,,,,ill set it up on aa

Cool, I should also post this for Hank V to read.

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TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,544	My Brain just exploded Ok one of my best friends is going to do a natural BB show. He did a few about 10 years ago and did very well. He is 6'3 and 285 right now. He competed at 240-250 back in the day and was almost ripped. He is 100% natural and knows his shit about training....but diet. He has 14 weeks to get to 250, he is on a 5000 cal diet and I think that is way too high. This first show is a tune up so no worries. My question is what would be a good cut diet ( losing 2+ lbs a week ) for a natural guy this size. I told him better to diet too much now than the last 3-4 weeks....I suggested a 3500 cal diet for starters. Last edited by TJ Cline : 07-13-2006 at 09:53 PM.
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hardasnails1973 www.Bodyfactoryllc.com Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pa Posts: 1,740	start caloires high and implement cardio at 45 minutes for 5 days a week and after 2 weeks access if after 2 weeks no improvement drop caloires to 4500 keep cardio the same after another 2 weeks drop 4000 caloires if not dropping keep at another day cardio at 45 minutes lower to 3500 ..on days not training may be lower them 20 % keep in fats and protein the same and dropping carbs mainly. I prefer to see people keep higher calories and do alittle more cardio. Change one varibale at a time so you know what is working and what is not...may be increase BCAAS and glutemine before and after cardio and workout to keep nitrogen balance up. Cardio can be anabolic if used properly and carefully