Need Help!

Dr. Pain · 05-07-2002, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cornfed
Watch yer ass, bud...I have greater power than ever b4. And Welcome J'Bo.

Why is Kuso always having to watch his ass?

Welcome J'Bo.

Yes 4 months can really produce the changes you are looking for!

DP

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
Why is Kuso always having to watch his ass?

DP

Well, crash said he has a chastity belt and that you're on the prowl, DP

.

J'Bo · 05-07-2002, 09:02 PM

I hate when i lose my message too.
I have done it about 10 times already on this site.

Anyways do you think i could do these exercises instead:
Phase one: 1&1/4 Lying leg curls, Machine squats, Deadlifts, and Seated Calve Raises?

I would be more comfortable doing machine squats, and deadlifts.

J'Bo · 05-07-2002, 09:06 PM

Great W8!

Yes i want to build muscle and am not really concerned if i gain fat, i know that i can lose it easily.

Here is what i came up with, let me know what you think.

Before i start what do you think of Whole Wheat pasta after your workout?

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 09:08 PM

I personally say that free squats aren't an absolute necessity. Between leg press (low foot placement), hack squats and extensions, you should be fine. JMO, though many won't agree.

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 09:11 PM

post workout, just include appr 15g simple carbs (sugar) and 40-50g long acting carbs (whole grains, yams, whole wheat pasta, etc...)

w8lifter · 05-07-2002, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cornfed
post workout, just include appr 15g simple carbs (sugar) and 40-50g long acting carbs (whole grains, yams, whole wheat pasta, etc...)

don't be messing w/ my diet!

No sugar, no pasta! Sweet potato, brown rice or oatmeal!

And yeah....machine squats will be okay to start w/

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 09:21 PM

She's fricken off-season. You need the dam insulin spike!!!

+ she doesn't care about fat, which won't be a problem anyway!!! Bug off sis!

w8lifter · 05-07-2002, 09:27 PM

Don't fuq w/ me cornbud, I am not fooled by that sweet li'l face, I will still kick your ass

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 09:31 PM

I'll be a martyr of the truth then!

LOL

I stand by what I said, but if you insist, you could do the slin spike every 3-4 weeks and take advantage of the insulin sensitivity.

J'Bo · 05-07-2002, 09:32 PM

Here is what i have come up with.

Meal One (pre workout): 9am
4 egg whites (1 yolk), 1/2 Whole wheat bagel, 1 Tablespoon of peanut butter, 1 teaspoon creatine (in 1/4 cup juice)

Meal Two (post workout): 11am
Protein shake w/ water, 4 strawberries, 2 Tablespoons cream, 1 teaspoon creatine

Meal Three: 1pm
Tin of Tuna
1 Tablespoon mayo or low fat dressing
3/4 cup pasta or 3/4 Cup brown rice
celery

Meal Four: 4pm
Banana
1 Tablespoon peanut butter or 10 nuts
1/2 scoop protein w/ water

Meal Five: 6pm
Steak, chicken breast or veggie ground round
2 cups of salad or steamed broccoli or asparagus
1 tablespoon low fat dressing
small potato or 1/2 cup rice

Meal Six: 8:30pm
1/2 cup yogurt, 10 almonds
or
rice cake and peanut butter
or
celery and turkey breast

How is that?

Oh yah i also take: Cal/Mag, Vitamin C and E, Hemp oil (2 Tablespoons), Creatine, and Glutamine (not all the time).

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by w8lifter
I am not fooled by that sweet li'l face, I will still kiss your sweet young ass

Ok

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 09:35 PM

I wouldn't do the carbs in the last meal, unless post workout. Plus, I'd throw the creatine all post workout for best absorbancy, or 1/2 1st thing after waking and 1/2 post training. Other than that sounds good.

J'Bo · 05-07-2002, 09:40 PM

You two are too funny.
Love the competitiveness!

How about this.
I will eat pasta once a week after my heavy leg day Wednesdays.
Otherwise its potatos, brown rice, or yams (they ok?).

I am telling you guys though, i am serious when i say if i stick to a diet and dont cheat i lose body fat and lose it fast. So i don't know if pasta would be a bad idea.

Oh i forgot to mention that just to add to my problem of not being able to gain easily, i am also hypoglycemic (once in a while). I mean that i get tested 3 times a year, and half the time i am and half the time i am not.

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 09:44 PM

The sweet potatoes will help curb that, a 'lil. I say do the GI boost every 3 weeks during the weekdays, agree w8? Iy'll help w/ the HGI issue and will take advantage of the insulin sensitivity. I think it's actually better than 1 way or another. Plus you're looking for mass. (don't tell w8, but I say do an all out cheat meal once a week

)

w8lifter · 05-07-2002, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J'Bo
Here is what i have come up with.

Meal One (pre workout): 9am
4 egg whites (1 yolk), 1/2 Whole wheat bagel, 1 Tablespoon of peanut butter, 1 teaspoon creatine (in 1/4 cup juice)

****6 egg whites would be better than the four. 1/2 cup oats would be better than a bagel, bagels are crap food.

Meal Two (post workout): 11am
Protein shake w/ water, 4 strawberries, 2 Tablespoons cream, 1 teaspoon creatine

****I'd do 3 tbsp of cream...since your trying to add

Meal Three: 1pm
Tin of Tuna
1 Tablespoon mayo or low fat dressing
3/4 cup pasta or 3/4 Cup brown rice
celery

****full fat...we use fat to control insulin, low fat dressings have added sugar, and go for the rice.

Meal Four: 4pm
Banana
1 Tablespoon peanut butter or 10 nuts
1/2 scoop protein w/ water

****An apple would be better than the banana, but it's good.

Meal Five: 6pm
Steak, chicken breast or veggie ground round
2 cups of salad or steamed broccoli or asparagus
1 tablespoon low fat dressing
small potato or 1/2 cup rice

****Ditch the low fat crap, see above. Regular potatoes are extremely high GI, sweet potato or yam is a much better choice. What's the srving size on the meat?

Meal Six: 8:30pm
1/2 cup yogurt, 10 almonds
or
rice cake and peanut butter
or
celery and turkey breast

****This is the worst thing....rice cakes are BAD! So is the yogurt...all sugar. turkey breast, celery & almond or peanut butter would be ideal though!

8:30 is your last meal? What time do you go to bed?

How is that?

Oh yah i also take: Cal/Mag, Vitamin C and E, Hemp oil (2 Tablespoons), Creatine, and Glutamine (not all the time).

w8lifter · 05-07-2002, 09:54 PM

Okay, we agree on something cornbud! I think a good carb up every week is a great idea

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 10:00 PM

Well, if you carb up once a week, screw my every 3wks thing, there'll be no point. Now, about the creatine...
Don't mix your protein and creatine. Have your creatine(w/ juice) and strawberries right after training...wait an hour and have your protein. one-1.5 hours after that have a full meal.

I agree w/ w8 on the rest.

w8lifter · 05-07-2002, 10:02 PM

Ooops, ya lost me again on that post cornbud

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 10:08 PM

Hmmm... hang on a sec... time to cut and paste :d

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 10:11 PM

to quote a great guy... LOL :
Good rules of thumb

3) 1-1.5hr after training, take in 1/3g per pound body wt of Whey P
4) eat a real meal an 1-1.5hr after whey

there

W8, what I meant was due to the time that whey is active in the body and absorbtion time, #s 3 & 4 are needed.

any better?

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 10:12 PM

Oh, and the protein will lower the GI of the carbs by slowing digestion, so wait on the protein until after the creatine and carbs are used.

J'Bo · 05-07-2002, 11:08 PM

You have out done yourself, thanks again W8.

A few questions though.

****6 egg whites would be better than the four. 1/2 cup oats would be better than a bagel, bagels are crap food.

I have tried to do more than 4 and it just wont go down, as for oatmeal any other alternatives? I can't bare to eat wallpaper paste.

****I'd do 3 tbsp of cream...since your trying to add muscle mass

I can definately handle that.
I shouldnt do protein with creatine though?
I thought spacing out your creatine would help you absorb it better and not pee it all out.

****full fat...we use fat to control insulin, low fat dressings have added sugar, and go for the rice.

I can do full fat... i can do the rice too.
Should i do a potato or yam every 4 days?

****An apple would be better than the banana, but it's good.

Is 1/2 a grapefruit, or an orange ok as an alternative to an apple?

****Ditch the low fat crap, see above. Regular potatoes are extremely high GI, sweet potato or yam is a much better choice. What's the srving size on the meat?

Ditched! Unfortunately i live in a hic city that doesn't have sweet potatos (go figure). A yam i can do. As for serving size, i really dont know, its about a heman fist. ? I should weight it tommorrow.

****This is the worst thing....rice cakes are BAD! So is the yogurt...all sugar. turkey breast, celery & almond or peanut butter would be ideal though!

To be honest i really was stumped on what to put, usually i would have 4 cups of buttered micro popcorn. Bad food usually happens at this time of day. Why are rice cakes bad? The ones i eat are only 0.1 grams of sugar and 1mg of sodium. Everyone carb loaded on them at the show (including me) and they were the only thing that went down good. As for the yogurt, i am not really good with dairy anyways and now that i just checked the ingrediant list it is i the trash can.

8:30 is your last meal? What time do you go to bed?

I usually go to bed around 10:30pm, when i am dieting and training hard. Otherwise around 12am.

Get this Laura B. said that to gain mass i should eat a donut or pop tart before bed.
Another guy at a trade show i did told me to start shooting B vitamins into my stomach.

There are some real weidos out there.
Thankfully there are people like you guys around.

Can't wait to get up tommorrow and start the new training and diet. Heavy cream here i come! K that sounded sick! I am sure the pervs will be all over that one.

cornfed · 05-07-2002, 11:18 PM

the creatine issue, refer to my prev post. Creatine is best absorbed 1st thing in the morning and immediately post workout (depleted glycogen stores in muscles allow the insulin spike [from the carbs taken w/ creatine] to transport the creatine and it will be used). The prob w/ the protein is that it will cause the carbs and creatine to be absorbed more slowly, keeping it from being fully utilized. Plus, you really don't need the protein right after lifting, anyway. the carbs, producing the insulin spike, results in curbing catabolis and even encouraging protein synthesis. But for this to all work, the carbs must be unhindered.
Hope that helps

J'Bo · 05-07-2002, 11:21 PM

Ok so maybe this is a long shot, but can i have 1 cup of green tea with 1 teaspoon of natural honey in the morning and night?

It calms me and makes me sleep better.

J'Bo · 05-07-2002, 11:26 PM

Thanks Mr.Innocent it definately did help.

I do take my creatine in am (pre-workout) and post workout.
What would be a good meal 2 for me then?
Just the creatine, strawberries and cream, and then a meal 1 1/2 hours later?

05-07-2002, 09:02 PM	#33
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	I hate when i lose my message too. I have done it about 10 times already on this site. Anyways do you think i could do these exercises instead: Phase one: 1&1/4 Lying leg curls, Machine squats, Deadlifts, and Seated Calve Raises? I would be more comfortable doing machine squats, and deadlifts.
	....and thats my $.02

05-07-2002, 09:06 PM	#34
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Great W8! Yes i want to build muscle and am not really concerned if i gain fat, i know that i can lose it easily. Here is what i came up with, let me know what you think. Before i start what do you think of Whole Wheat pasta after your workout?
	....and thats my $.02

05-07-2002, 09:08 PM	#35
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	I personally say that free squats aren't an absolute necessity. Between leg press (low foot placement), hack squats and extensions, you should be fine. JMO, though many won't agree.
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

05-07-2002, 09:11 PM	#36
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	post workout, just include appr 15g simple carbs (sugar) and 40-50g long acting carbs (whole grains, yams, whole wheat pasta, etc...)
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

05-07-2002, 09:21 PM	#38
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	She's fricken off-season. You need the dam insulin spike!!! + she doesn't care about fat, which won't be a problem anyway!!! Bug off sis!
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

05-07-2002, 09:27 PM	#39
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Don't fuq w/ me cornbud, I am not fooled by that sweet li'l face, I will still kick your ass

05-07-2002, 09:31 PM	#40
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	I'll be a martyr of the truth then! LOL I stand by what I said, but if you insist, you could do the slin spike every 3-4 weeks and take advantage of the insulin sensitivity.
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

05-07-2002, 09:32 PM	#41
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Here is what i have come up with. Meal One (pre workout): 9am 4 egg whites (1 yolk), 1/2 Whole wheat bagel, 1 Tablespoon of peanut butter, 1 teaspoon creatine (in 1/4 cup juice) Meal Two (post workout): 11am Protein shake w/ water, 4 strawberries, 2 Tablespoons cream, 1 teaspoon creatine Meal Three: 1pm Tin of Tuna 1 Tablespoon mayo or low fat dressing 3/4 cup pasta or 3/4 Cup brown rice celery Meal Four: 4pm Banana 1 Tablespoon peanut butter or 10 nuts 1/2 scoop protein w/ water Meal Five: 6pm Steak, chicken breast or veggie ground round 2 cups of salad or steamed broccoli or asparagus 1 tablespoon low fat dressing small potato or 1/2 cup rice Meal Six: 8:30pm 1/2 cup yogurt, 10 almonds or rice cake and peanut butter or celery and turkey breast How is that? Oh yah i also take: Cal/Mag, Vitamin C and E, Hemp oil (2 Tablespoons), Creatine, and Glutamine (not all the time).
	....and thats my $.02

05-07-2002, 09:35 PM	#43
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	I wouldn't do the carbs in the last meal, unless post workout. Plus, I'd throw the creatine all post workout for best absorbancy, or 1/2 1st thing after waking and 1/2 post training. Other than that sounds good.
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

05-07-2002, 09:40 PM	#44
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	You two are too funny. Love the competitiveness! How about this. I will eat pasta once a week after my heavy leg day Wednesdays. Otherwise its potatos, brown rice, or yams (they ok?). I am telling you guys though, i am serious when i say if i stick to a diet and dont cheat i lose body fat and lose it fast. So i don't know if pasta would be a bad idea. Oh i forgot to mention that just to add to my problem of not being able to gain easily, i am also hypoglycemic (once in a while). I mean that i get tested 3 times a year, and half the time i am and half the time i am not.
	....and thats my $.02

05-07-2002, 09:44 PM	#45
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	The sweet potatoes will help curb that, a 'lil. I say do the GI boost every 3 weeks during the weekdays, agree w8? Iy'll help w/ the HGI issue and will take advantage of the insulin sensitivity. I think it's actually better than 1 way or another. Plus you're looking for mass. (don't tell w8, but I say do an all out cheat meal once a week )
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

05-07-2002, 09:54 PM	#47
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Okay, we agree on something cornbud! I think a good carb up every week is a great idea

05-07-2002, 10:00 PM	#48
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Well, if you carb up once a week, screw my every 3wks thing, there'll be no point. Now, about the creatine... Don't mix your protein and creatine. Have your creatine(w/ juice) and strawberries right after training...wait an hour and have your protein. one-1.5 hours after that have a full meal. I agree w/ w8 on the rest.
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

05-07-2002, 10:02 PM	#49
w8lifter Join Date: May 2001 Location: Around..... Posts: 14,964	Ooops, ya lost me again on that post cornbud

05-07-2002, 10:08 PM	#50
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Hmmm... hang on a sec... time to cut and paste :d
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

05-07-2002, 10:11 PM	#51
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	to quote a great guy... LOL : Good rules of thumb 3) 1-1.5hr after training, take in 1/3g per pound body wt of Whey P 4) eat a real meal an 1-1.5hr after whey there W8, what I meant was due to the time that whey is active in the body and absorbtion time, #s 3 & 4 are needed. any better?
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

05-07-2002, 10:12 PM	#52
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	Oh, and the protein will lower the GI of the carbs by slowing digestion, so wait on the protein until after the creatine and carbs are used.
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

05-07-2002, 11:08 PM	#53
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	You have out done yourself, thanks again W8. A few questions though. **6 egg whites would be better than the four. 1/2 cup oats would be better than a bagel, bagels are crap food. I have tried to do more than 4 and it just wont go down, as for oatmeal any other alternatives? I can't bare to eat wallpaper paste. I'd do 3 tbsp of cream...since your trying to add muscle mass I can definately handle that. I shouldnt do protein with creatine though? I thought spacing out your creatine would help you absorb it better and not pee it all out. full fat...we use fat to control insulin, low fat dressings have added sugar, and go for the rice. I can do full fat... i can do the rice too. Should i do a potato or yam every 4 days? An apple would be better than the banana, but it's good. Is 1/2 a grapefruit, or an orange ok as an alternative to an apple? Ditch the low fat crap, see above. Regular potatoes are extremely high GI, sweet potato or yam is a much better choice. What's the srving size on the meat? Ditched! Unfortunately i live in a hic city that doesn't have sweet potatos (go figure). A yam i can do. As for serving size, i really dont know, its about a heman fist. ? I should weight it tommorrow. **This is the worst thing....rice cakes are BAD! So is the yogurt...all sugar. turkey breast, celery & almond or peanut butter would be ideal though! To be honest i really was stumped on what to put, usually i would have 4 cups of buttered micro popcorn. Bad food usually happens at this time of day. Why are rice cakes bad? The ones i eat are only 0.1 grams of sugar and 1mg of sodium. Everyone carb loaded on them at the show (including me) and they were the only thing that went down good. As for the yogurt, i am not really good with dairy anyways and now that i just checked the ingrediant list it is i the trash can. 8:30 is your last meal? What time do you go to bed? I usually go to bed around 10:30pm, when i am dieting and training hard. Otherwise around 12am. Get this Laura B. said that to gain mass i should eat a donut or pop tart before bed. Another guy at a trade show i did told me to start shooting B vitamins into my stomach. There are some real weidos out there. Thankfully there are people like you guys around. Can't wait to get up tommorrow and start the new training and diet. Heavy cream here i come! K that sounded sick! I am sure the pervs will be all over that one.
	....and thats my $.02

05-07-2002, 11:18 PM	#54
cornfed Sweet 'lil Innocent Mod Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: serenity now insanity later Posts: 1,802	the creatine issue, refer to my prev post. Creatine is best absorbed 1st thing in the morning and immediately post workout (depleted glycogen stores in muscles allow the insulin spike [from the carbs taken w/ creatine] to transport the creatine and it will be used). The prob w/ the protein is that it will cause the carbs and creatine to be absorbed more slowly, keeping it from being fully utilized. Plus, you really don't need the protein right after lifting, anyway. the carbs, producing the insulin spike, results in curbing catabolis and even encouraging protein synthesis. But for this to all work, the carbs must be unhindered. Hope that helps
	- "If I ever run into Dave Grohl, I'm gonna kick his fuqqin' ass... because he sucks and he wrote this cheese-dick song for Ozzy that I have to fuqqin' play on and I'll never forgive him for that. Foo Fighters is a fuqqin' candy-ass girl band but you've got that mother-fuqqer submitting songs [for the album], and those douchebags from the Offspring, too." "...Dave Grohl? Fuq Dave Grohl! ...you're getting this guy to write songs for Ozzy? Just because he played drums for fuqqing Sh!tvana?" --- Zakk Wylde --- ---Dimebag Darrel RIP---

05-07-2002, 11:21 PM	#55
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Honey Ok so maybe this is a long shot, but can i have 1 cup of green tea with 1 teaspoon of natural honey in the morning and night? It calms me and makes me sleep better.

05-07-2002, 11:26 PM	#56
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Thanks Mr.Innocent it definately did help. I do take my creatine in am (pre-workout) and post workout. What would be a good meal 2 for me then? Just the creatine, strawberries and cream, and then a meal 1 1/2 hours later? Last edited by J'Bo : 05-08-2002 at 08:12 AM.
	....and thats my $.02