Thread: Was Mike Mentzer on Steroids?

Originally Posted by DOMS

Shredded, hot build. I checked out wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mentzer looked like his downfall was quite tragic...his brother died two days after he did. How tall was he? He looks about 5'5.

I think he was 5'8 - 5'9 so nearly average... in height anyways

I don't think he was.

Originally Posted by studen77

Shredded, hot build. I checked out wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mentzer looked like his downfall was quite tragic...his brother died two days after he did. How tall was he? He looks about 5'5.

That is pretty crappy. And considering what they say he died of, it must have been sudden.

Originally Posted by joesmooth20

I don't think he was.

Kidding right, kinda hard to sense sarcasim over the net.....

Originally Posted by joesmooth20

I don't think he was.

not sure what that refers to

Of course Mentzer was on Steroids....His biggest omission of self was to not constatntly reiterate that no matter what he achieved he was on 'the sauce' when he achieved it...

What does not kill me makes me stronger, only works if you've learned from your mistakes....

Mentzer, uncommon mind in bodybuilding. But, he was on steroids, so caveat emptor, regarding what he claims are possible results.

Mentzer was that kind of perfectionnist freak who just did sleep 3 to 4 hours a day, training and studying all kind of subjects,his mantra was kind of "a strong mind in a strong body!".Was on roids and metamphetamines!!!
Could explain why he did died at such a young age!

Originally Posted by Robert

so, you are implying that only unintelligent people use steroids?

and if you use steroids you are not nice to your friends and competitors?

he was not that big? he was 5' 8" and competed at 225lbs, that is pretty damn big, especially back in his competition days (1970's).

Whoa! I saw that one coming for sure.

Originally Posted by Icy-Dice

Im just asking this question because he looks very inteligent and also he is kind to his friends and to his fellow competitors not like Arnold LOL. He's body is not that big too but its aesthetic. Im reading his book know and he talks about how to pose, saying stuff like " posing is an art a way to talk to the audience using your body, the muscles are the colors, the stage is the canvas. He also won the only full point in the Mr.universe?

Mike was the Heavyweight winner at the 1978 IFBB World Amateur Championships a.k.a. the IFBB Mr. Universe contest where he scored a perfect 300 from the judges, a first at that time. He lost the Overall to the Middleweight competitor, Tom Platz.

What amazes me is the minimal amount of PCT was used back then and little the pros knew about it then. It's come a long way.

Mentzer was on steroids as he openly admits in at least one of his books. All of his books are aimed at developing the mind as a means to develop your muscles. In my opinion he is one of the few bodybuilders that doesnt approach his writtings in an "I have acheived more therefore i am better than you and know what im talking about." manner. Most of his advice is purely based on logic, making it not only more appealing to the critical thinker but you can be assured your getting the information from someone that really cares about the science and mental aspects of bodybuilding. I recommend reading just about all of his work. Ive read several reports that he was on different kinds of drugs at different points in his life but i cannot say exactly which, when and why.

they all lie about dosages. they took just as much almost as todays pros but not quite that much. but i think arnold took about 3 grams test a wk plus 80mg d-bol to 100mg ed of d-bol plus another drug coctail , they aint shitten me. one pro told me how better you want to be is how much money u have to pay for a 10cc bottle of test cyp plus a week. so i figure there cycles looked like this d-bol 100mg, deca 2,000mg a wk., test cyp or e 3,000mg wk, 1,000mg test prop. plus the supplements that they sponsorednolva plus hcg i dont know though how they got away with gyno. now today just doulble that. craig tightass said lee priest took so much gear during a yr that he had to help him sell ecstasy before craig got busted. old big mouthed tightass. i heard about one pro taking 10 tabs of drol ed for 6 weeks good old flex wheeler. so those r the dosages that they consume, thats why alot of them couldnt compete at that level because of the dosages it took to get there. this wat i know to be true as told to me by reports and interviews and the guys in the know. rippleys believe or not, but i do deffently agree with wat i posted.

Originally Posted by TJ Cline

No, he was 100% natural just like Arnold, Ronnie and Barry Bonds

dude arnold has admitted to using Dianabol steroids in hes teens

I remember watching his HIT VHS (yeah a videotape) when it first came out, and could not believe the trainer (Mentzer) was once a pro. The guy was a bowling ball. Let himself go.

Seemed pretty bitter in life. Sad that his brother passed away within a week or so of Mike's death.

Like his technique and will use it once in a while.

Originally Posted by Prince

so, you are implying that only unintelligent people use steroids?

and if you use steroids you are not nice to your friends and competitors?

he was not that big? he was 5' 8" and competed at 225lbs, that is pretty damn big, especially back in his competition days (1970's).

it's fun reading something I posted back in 2006, and I still agree with what I said.

Originally Posted by megatron_rulz

I remember watching his HIT VHS (yeah a videotape) when it first came out, and could not believe the trainer (Mentzer) was once a pro. The guy was a bowling ball. Let himself go.

Seemed pretty bitter in life. Sad that his brother passed away within a week or so of Mike's death.

Like his technique and will use it once in a while.

Ray died just 48 hours after discovering his brother's dead body.

Here's his brief Wikipedia entry:

Ray Mentzer (August 2, 1953 – June 12, 2001) was the brother of Mike Mentzer and winner of the 1979 AAU Mr. America competition. Mike won the rival IFBB Mr America in 1976. Ray also won the 1976 Junior Mr. America and the 1978 IFBB Mr. USA.

He was an exponent of heavy duty training along with Mike and although retiring from competition in 1982 carried on training to the Heavy Duty high intensity principles. In 1983 he flew to Florida in order to be trained by Arthur jones. At a body of then unthinkable 250 plus pounds he added even more muscle within a month. At one time, training for just 6 weeks, he squatted 902 pounds for 2 repetitions.

He died from complications resulting from Berger's disease. It is said those complications resulted in kidney failure. Ray died just two days after discovering Mike's dead body in the very same apartment due to heart failure.
He has a daughter who was born in 1986.


L-R: Ray Mentzer, Mike Mentzer

Originally Posted by Mudge

I've read that Mentzer was up to 2 grams of deca a week, don't know what else he might have been on. Not all of the older guys are afraid to admit they used, i.e. Larry Scott, Dave Draper, Serge Oliva, and so on. Only a few claim to be natural (or else avoid the topic altogether), Bill Pearl and Franco Columbu come to mind.

There is no way Franco is natural

Look at Mike's contest history and you can understand why he was bitter, and why he went off the deep end. He was leading on the judges scorecards going into the night show at the '77 Universe. Then suddenly Skalak is proclaimed the winner....his legs couldn't win a state meet. Mike loses the '79 Olympia to Zane....are you kidding me? It's supposed to be a muscle contest....Zane's competition weight was around 175!!!
In 1980 I was working in a gym in Houston. My employer had close ties on the west coast, and 2 months out. he was told the Olympia was being set up for Arnold, to coincide with the release of the Conan movie.
I got to know Mike, he was a great guy. His training system and his claims that most supplements (especially back then) were bullshit were a threat to those in power at the time....so they fucked him every which way they could.
Arnold's win in '80 was a joke, ditto for Franco's in '81, which coincidentally was promoted by Arnold!!!

Mike and Ray Mentzer were a tragic story in the bodybuilding world. Both had exceptional physiques. Mike was one of the greats. Size and tremendous definition. As far as the streoid inquiry, only a fool would ask that question. Hope they both R.I.P., and both were heroes of mine growing up.

Originally Posted by joesmooth20

I don't think he was.

Originally Posted by jamik

dude arnold has admitted to using Dianabol steroids in hes teens

I don't know if posts like this are serious, because the general public really is that naive when it comes to gear. But just in case, EVERY pro bodybuilder uses gear. Period.