Samoans

Icy-Dice · 11-02-2006, 01:03 PM

I was just wondering how come samoans are huge and strong but look asian.Asians are small and weak mainly, so how couldve the samoans have different type of genetics?damn even the girs are supersize!

**P-funk** · 11-02-2006, 01:35 PM

you should go do some research and report your findings back to us and the rest of the medical community.

Pepper · 11-02-2006, 02:12 PM

JULES

You remember Antwan Rockamora?

Half-black, half-Samoan, usta call

him Tony Rocky Horror.

VINCENT

Yeah maybe, fat right?

JULES

I wouldn't go so far as to call the

brother fat. He's got a weight

problem. What's the n**** gonna

do, he's Samoan.

**P-funk** · 11-02-2006, 03:04 PM

bio-chem · 11-03-2006, 12:27 AM

they come from different stock entirely. pacific islanders are not asian. i asked a maori how the hell they all grew so big and he said it was the food they eat. i will admit that stuff tastes damn amazing. those dudes can bbq

arnie wannabie · 11-03-2006, 04:23 AM

Yeah, thye are a big bunch, all pacific islanders have a tendency to be larger than other races, thye were originally from asia many years ago as were the aboriginals, but as you can see where people live determines how the adapt or evolve for the environment, it probably makes it easier for them to survive in the landscape as the aboriginal physiology would make it easier for them to survive in a more dry flat area, such as australia, i think its because of the mountainess surroundings alot of climbing hills pusshing through thick jungle the people fo the area would have needed to be strong and big to be able to get around, this is just my opinion however. this would explain why most of the NRL foward packs consist of islanders.

djmvfc · 11-03-2006, 06:20 AM

It's called "natural selection" that was what was necessary to survive in the particular environment. Plants and animals adapt to the environment over thousands of years.

Trouble · 11-03-2006, 09:34 AM

Contrary to popular belief, they're leaner when they keep to traditional foods....

http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v2.../0801053a.html

And fatter when they stray to nontraditional dietary sources:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/1682477.stm

bio-chem · 11-03-2006, 12:41 PM

interesting

ReproMan · 11-03-2006, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouble

Contrary to popular belief, they're leaner when they keep to traditional foods....

http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v2.../0801053a.html

And fatter when they stray to nontraditional dietary sources:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/1682477.stm

So at comparable BMI's they have more lean mass than the Europeans in the study. It seems as though regardless of what they eat, they carry more lean mass than others, whether they are obese or not...

Trouble · 11-03-2006, 03:23 PM

Yes, its rather..odd, if its an environmental adaptation. I wonder if its really dietary driven - naturally anabolic nutritional sources, as someone else has mentioned here. Might be worth a little digging on the net.

zl214 · 11-18-2006, 05:06 AM

The islanders are genetically in-built to endure typhoon season where the food is sarce. for the same reason, they are more likely to grow (muscle and fat) when there is food around to allow them to survive through. In the natural pacific island environment, their bodies undergo periodical starvation. but if they are placed them in a modern environment where there is a constant supply of food, they will become obese and diabetic because the periodical starvation was necessary to reduce their body fat.

ReproMan · 11-18-2006, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zl214

The islanders are genetically in-built to endure typhoon season where the food is sarce. for the same reason, they are more likely to grow (muscle and fat) when there is food around to allow them to survive through. In the natural pacific island environment, their bodies undergo periodical starvation. but if they are placed them in a modern environment where there is a constant supply of food, they will become obese and diabetic because the periodical starvation was necessary to reduce their body fat.

That makes sense.

Neato.

Trouble · 11-18-2006, 11:15 AM

Lean muscle mass is workload related. This has to do with anabolic dietary factors, and with muscle adaptation to workload.

Coconuts are seeds. The flesh of coconuts, and its milk, are rich in growth factors. Its *specific* dietary factor for these peoples. I believe there are also pounded roots that are also unusual and specific to Pacific Islander diets that may also contribute to energy storage and muscle mass maintenance.

They are a seagoing peoples; I think the physical labors of their lifestyle encouraged this physiological adaptation.

Typhoons are large storm events. They do not cause starvation, although they can wreck havoc on the local environment - it, too, is adapted to these conditions.

Periodic starvation effects can be seen in the Aboriginal peoples of Australia and New Zealand, and in the arid lands of Africa, where the Big Dry (annual droughts) run for months and require physiological adaptation to food and water shortages. These people tend to have much lower muscle mass (tall, thin, somewhat ectomorphic in appearance).

**Mudge** · 11-18-2006, 11:36 AM

So should one start drinking coconut milk?

I've been around a group of islanders lately anywhere from 220-310, the biggest being the most passive of the bunch. Tried out for the 49ers in 1993, and did some minor league ball, and UFC for a number of years. All of these guys fight, and often times each other. They drink like mad on the weekends, and I think I'd be even fatter if I ate and drank like them. One of the guys who is 280 pounds said he never benched more than 385, he has plenty of bodyfat on him but I imagine he didn't really train to put that up. One of his cousins is well into the 500s reportedly (benching).

min0 lee · 11-18-2006, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

So should one start drinking coconut milk?

That was my first thought.....Pina Coladas for everyone!

fufu · 11-18-2006, 12:24 PM

Yeah I was wondering the same thing about coconuts as well. They are pretty cheap and the super market has them year round.

RexStunnahH · 11-18-2006, 03:38 PM

There have been all kinds of Studies to find out where Polynesians came from,one dude did a test and launched from South america and I think ended up in RaroTonga.But the Staple foods were the same from South America and the polynesians,Coconuts,Yams,Taro.....I know Tongans eat Horses,maybe thats it,lol.

Trouble · 11-18-2006, 04:56 PM

Relative ethnic/cultural isolation, and of course, that nagging difference in lifestyle (exertion for) mainlanders versus islanders - these would factor in as well.

Taro is thought to have originated in Australia and the South Pacific Islands; in ancient Hawaii, some 350 varieties of this Arum family root where cultivated.

Its not native to South America and has introduced as a crop LONG after the settlement of the island nations of the South Pacific.

Yams are indigenous to Asia, and is thought to have been brought to the Americas by early settlers who crossed the Bering Land Bridge during one or more Ice Age chances in Pacific water elevation.

Poi, pounded, baked and fermented taro, is unique to the Hawaiian Islands.

zl214 · 11-18-2006, 06:22 PM

i dont think food alone would have any anabolic effect at all. if you compared japanese and samoans, which both have a typical "pacific island" diet, you will find drastic difference in bodytype among these two papulations. The growth factor from coconut is unlikely to have an effect on human body, because they are unlikely to be absorbed without digestion and to be used as hormone. Just think about the effectiveness of those "herbal remedies" that claim to boost your testoterone level.

one of the simpler reasons why somoans have more lean muscle mass could be their absolute size. in other words, IN GENERAL, if you are 250 pounds, it is likely you need more lean muscle to move that 250 pounds around than someone weighs less than 150.

zl214 · 11-18-2006, 06:33 PM

the point of the japanese example is to show that eating whales is not going to give you more muscle.

j/k

RexStunnahH · 11-19-2006, 10:56 AM

Could be all that canoe paddling,that shits hard work,I've paddled,and thats some pretty bust ass work

**Mudge** · 11-19-2006, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zl214

one of the simpler reasons why somoans have more lean muscle mass could be their absolute size. in other words, IN GENERAL, if you are 250 pounds, it is likely you need more lean muscle to move that 250 pounds around than someone weighs less than 150.

I know a lot of sloppy ass looking guys in the 240-280 range, some of them even "work out." They dont resemble islanders at all just because of their weight.

Seanp156 · 11-19-2006, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mudge

I know a lot of sloppy ass looking guys in the 240-280 range, some of them even "work out." They dont resemble islanders at all just because of their weight.

Exactly... If that were true, obese people wouldn't be obese because they get "so much work" when the move themselves around.

blueboy75 · 11-20-2006, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouble

Lean muscle mass is workload related. This has to do with anabolic dietary factors, and with muscle adaptation to workload.

Coconuts are seeds. The flesh of coconuts, and its milk, are rich in growth factors. Its *specific* dietary factor for these peoples. I believe there are also pounded roots that are also unusual and specific to Pacific Islander diets that may also contribute to energy storage and muscle mass maintenance.

They are a seagoing peoples; I think the physical labors of their lifestyle encouraged this physiological adaptation.

Typhoons are large storm events. They do not cause starvation, although they can wreck havoc on the local environment - it, too, is adapted to these conditions.

Periodic starvation effects can be seen in the Aboriginal peoples of Australia and New Zealand, and in the arid lands of Africa, where the Big Dry (annual droughts) run for months and require physiological adaptation to food and water shortages. These people tend to have much lower muscle mass (tall, thin, somewhat ectomorphic in appearance).

I was making a thai curry on the weekend and before I poured in a can of coconut milk I read the nutritional info. It contains 25g saturated fat per 100 ml.

No more thai curries for me.

bodebldr2000 · 11-25-2006, 06:41 AM

Here is a pic of me and my cousin Venna. I am 5'10" and 210lbs....when you see us side by side, i look like a small child cpmpared to him. lol

Not all Samoans are BIG but just about. The women are strong and big boned to. I have met alot of them and just about all Samoans are a gentle people and dont want trouble, but boy when you piss one off.... prepare for a Foki slam!!! lol

min0 lee · 11-25-2006, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodebldr2000

Here is a pic of me and my cousin Venna. I am 5'10" and 210lbs....when you see us side by side, i look like a small child cpmpared to him. lol

Not all Samoans are BIG but just about. The women are strong and big boned to. I have met alot of them and just about all Samoans are a gentle people and dont want trouble, but boy when you piss one off.... prepare for a Foki slam!!! lol

Geez! His forearm looks like it's the size of your hamstring.

They sure are big.

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11-02-2006, 01:35 PM	#2
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11-03-2006, 06:20 AM	#7
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11-18-2006, 05:06 AM	#12
zl214 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 144	The islanders are genetically in-built to endure typhoon season where the food is sarce. for the same reason, they are more likely to grow (muscle and fat) when there is food around to allow them to survive through. In the natural pacific island environment, their bodies undergo periodical starvation. but if they are placed them in a modern environment where there is a constant supply of food, they will become obese and diabetic because the periodical starvation was necessary to reduce their body fat.
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11-02-2006, 02:12 PM	#3
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,539	JULES You remember Antwan Rockamora? Half-black, half-Samoan, usta call him Tony Rocky Horror. VINCENT Yeah maybe, fat right? JULES I wouldn't go so far as to call the brother fat. He's got a weight problem. What's the n**** gonna do, he's Samoan.

11-03-2006, 12:27 AM	#5
bio-chem Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 3,630 Photos: 14	they come from different stock entirely. pacific islanders are not asian. i asked a maori how the hell they all grew so big and he said it was the food they eat. i will admit that stuff tastes damn amazing. those dudes can bbq

11-03-2006, 04:23 AM	#6
arnie wannabie Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 9	Yeah, thye are a big bunch, all pacific islanders have a tendency to be larger than other races, thye were originally from asia many years ago as were the aboriginals, but as you can see where people live determines how the adapt or evolve for the environment, it probably makes it easier for them to survive in the landscape as the aboriginal physiology would make it easier for them to survive in a more dry flat area, such as australia, i think its because of the mountainess surroundings alot of climbing hills pusshing through thick jungle the people fo the area would have needed to be strong and big to be able to get around, this is just my opinion however. this would explain why most of the NRL foward packs consist of islanders.

11-03-2006, 09:34 AM	#8
Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,080 Photos: 2	Contrary to popular belief, they're leaner when they keep to traditional foods.... http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v2.../0801053a.html And fatter when they stray to nontraditional dietary sources: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/1682477.stm

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bio-chem Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 3,630 Photos: 14	interesting

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Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,080 Photos: 2	Yes, its rather..odd, if its an environmental adaptation. I wonder if its really dietary driven - naturally anabolic nutritional sources, as someone else has mentioned here. Might be worth a little digging on the net.

11-18-2006, 11:15 AM	#14
Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,080 Photos: 2	Lean muscle mass is workload related. This has to do with anabolic dietary factors, and with muscle adaptation to workload. Coconuts are seeds. The flesh of coconuts, and its milk, are rich in growth factors. Its specific dietary factor for these peoples. I believe there are also pounded roots that are also unusual and specific to Pacific Islander diets that may also contribute to energy storage and muscle mass maintenance. They are a seagoing peoples; I think the physical labors of their lifestyle encouraged this physiological adaptation. Typhoons are large storm events. They do not cause starvation, although they can wreck havoc on the local environment - it, too, is adapted to these conditions. Periodic starvation effects can be seen in the Aboriginal peoples of Australia and New Zealand, and in the arid lands of Africa, where the Big Dry (annual droughts) run for months and require physiological adaptation to food and water shortages. These people tend to have much lower muscle mass (tall, thin, somewhat ectomorphic in appearance).

11-18-2006, 11:36 AM	#15
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fufu fiendish thingy Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 15,732 Photos: 4	Yeah I was wondering the same thing about coconuts as well. They are pretty cheap and the super market has them year round.
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11-18-2006, 03:38 PM	#18
RexStunnahH The #1 StunnaH Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ewa Beach,Hawaii Posts: 454 Photos: 2	There have been all kinds of Studies to find out where Polynesians came from,one dude did a test and launched from South america and I think ended up in RaroTonga.But the Staple foods were the same from South America and the polynesians,Coconuts,Yams,Taro.....I know Tongans eat Horses,maybe thats it,lol.
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11-18-2006, 04:56 PM	#19
Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,080 Photos: 2	Relative ethnic/cultural isolation, and of course, that nagging difference in lifestyle (exertion for) mainlanders versus islanders - these would factor in as well. Taro is thought to have originated in Australia and the South Pacific Islands; in ancient Hawaii, some 350 varieties of this Arum family root where cultivated. Its not native to South America and has introduced as a crop LONG after the settlement of the island nations of the South Pacific. Yams are indigenous to Asia, and is thought to have been brought to the Americas by early settlers who crossed the Bering Land Bridge during one or more Ice Age chances in Pacific water elevation. Poi, pounded, baked and fermented taro, is unique to the Hawaiian Islands.

11-18-2006, 06:22 PM	#20
zl214 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 144	i dont think food alone would have any anabolic effect at all. if you compared japanese and samoans, which both have a typical "pacific island" diet, you will find drastic difference in bodytype among these two papulations. The growth factor from coconut is unlikely to have an effect on human body, because they are unlikely to be absorbed without digestion and to be used as hormone. Just think about the effectiveness of those "herbal remedies" that claim to boost your testoterone level. one of the simpler reasons why somoans have more lean muscle mass could be their absolute size. in other words, IN GENERAL, if you are 250 pounds, it is likely you need more lean muscle to move that 250 pounds around than someone weighs less than 150.
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11-18-2006, 06:33 PM	#21
zl214 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 144	the point of the japanese example is to show that eating whales is not going to give you more muscle. j/k
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11-19-2006, 10:56 AM	#22
RexStunnahH The #1 StunnaH Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Ewa Beach,Hawaii Posts: 454 Photos: 2	Could be all that canoe paddling,that shits hard work,I've paddled,and thats some pretty bust ass work
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