Need opinions desperately!

J'Bo · 05-31-2002, 07:04 AM

Hello to all!

My hope is that everyone gives me their honest opinion here.

I am thinking of doing a physique challenge in only 22 days time. I competed 1 month ago in fitness and now this challenge has come up. I am 14% bodyfat thats only 2% off of what i competed at last monthe. I would like to get to 11% if posssible.

Do you guys think i could get to 11% by June.22nd?

Also a major factor of whether or not i do it is if will hinder my preformance for my Sept.7th's fitness competition. I am in a building phase right now to try to put some muscle on for Sept.

So will it hurt my muscle mass to diet 3 weeks for the physique challenge? and then when i am done be only 2.5 monthes out from comp. so would i diet right through?

I could really use some help here.
If anyone could give me some tips, i would be greatful.

Also i could use a new pre-comp diet (3 weeks out).
I had problems with my last one and seemed to come in looking worse than 1 week out.

Signed,
Kinda clueless at this point.

Training wise? Up the cardio and practice the challenges?

**dg806** · 05-31-2002, 07:09 AM

IMHO, I think it would be hard as hell to lose 3% in 22 days without losing a lot of muscle!! Not saying don't do it, just don't go overboard!!! I think you can get close though!!

Rusty · 05-31-2002, 07:11 AM

J'Bo, I would love to help you out here. Myself and my compadres Kuso and DG, are pro's at this. But to better evaluate you can you send me some pic's of yourself. Nude pics would help me to better evaluate your current situation.

thanks

Dr. IPMC

ponyboy · 05-31-2002, 07:12 AM

I say don't try to lose too much, because DG is right, that's a lot to lose in a short period of time. Personally, I would still compete though if you want to. Even just for the sake of experience and exposure. It certainly can't hurt. Call it a competition for fun and education and leave it at that, don't put a lot of pressure on yourself.

**dg806** · 05-31-2002, 07:16 AM

J'bo didn't you post some pics once???

Rusty · 05-31-2002, 07:20 AM

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Originally posted by dg806
J'bo didn't you post some pics once???

I did a search and didn't find any.

kuso · 05-31-2002, 07:22 AM

Um.......excuse me for my drunkness, but without reading a single word you said..... ( anything more that about 2 sentances is pushing it ) I would have to say I agree 1000000% with IPMC

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Rusty · 05-31-2002, 07:26 AM

Really J'bo, We have the best intentions at heart here. We aim to give you the most extensive evaluation possible.

Dr. IPMC

kuso · 05-31-2002, 07:27 AM

Oh.........and we are the only certified team legally available to give fat % online

Rusty · 05-31-2002, 07:30 AM

Where is DG.....need some help bud.....

Tank316 · 05-31-2002, 07:37 AM

ya bunch of horndogs.

**gopro** · 05-31-2002, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J'Bo
Hello to all!

My hope is that everyone gives me their honest opinion here.

I am thinking of doing a physique challenge in only 22 days time. I competed 1 month ago in fitness and now this challenge has come up. I am 14% bodyfat thats only 2% off of what i competed at last monthe. I would like to get to 11% if posssible.

Do you guys think i could get to 11% by June.22nd?

Also a major factor of whether or not i do it is if will hinder my preformance for my Sept.7th's fitness competition. I am in a building phase right now to try to put some muscle on for Sept.

So will it hurt my muscle mass to diet 3 weeks for the physique challenge? and then when i am done be only 2.5 monthes out from comp. so would i diet right through?

I could really use some help here.
If anyone could give me some tips, i would be greatful.

Also i could use a new pre-comp diet (3 weeks out).
I had problems with my last one and seemed to come in looking worse than 1 week out.

Signed,
Kinda clueless at this point.

Training wise? Up the cardio and practice the challenges?

Ok, ready for some advice you can actually use, LOL !!!!

You can probably do this if you want to, and it probably won't hurt your September comp.

Dietwise, you will need to go real low carb...about 30-50 grams per day. Protein will be about 1 grm per lb of bodyweight. Fats will come naturally from food and about 3 teaspoons of flax per day. These are estimates as I don't know what you weigh.

Weight training should be brief and heavy to keep muscle intact. Cardio will be 1 long session first thing in the morning or preferably 2 shorter daily sessions.

After this show you should take a week off and then get back to September plan.

Let me know if you have more questions.

kuso · 05-31-2002, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gopro

Ok, ready for some advice you can actually use, LOL !!!!

Always one spoilsport

Rusty · 05-31-2002, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tank316
ya bunch of horndogs.

Tank my brother............you don't have a whole of of room to talk. Besides, you know me, I share good pics.....oops...damn, I should have not sad that.

**dg806** · 05-31-2002, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by IPMC
Where is DG.....need some help bud.....

I think you two have it covered!!!

Rusty · 05-31-2002, 07:59 AM

Well, the good ole Doc IPMC will be monitoring in case she want our official advice.

Tank316 · 05-31-2002, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by IPMC

Tank my brother............you don't have a whole of of room to talk. Besides, you know me, I share good pics.....oops...damn, I should have not sad that.

i meant horndogs in a good way.i do recall being vice president of the club.

**dg806** · 05-31-2002, 08:05 AM

I hear ya!!! See what we've been missing!!

Rusty · 05-31-2002, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tank316
i meant horndogs in a good way.i do recall being vice president of the club.

That's a fact Bro........so you can appreciate my diligance in wanting to evaluate properly. And you know, once the pics are in hand, it will need to be a team effort in the evaluation process..

Twin Peak · 05-31-2002, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gopro

Ok, ready for some advice you can actually use, LOL !!!!

You can probably do this if you want to, and it probably won't hurt your September comp.

Dietwise, you will need to go real low carb...about 30-50 grams per day. Protein will be about 1 grm per lb of bodyweight. Fats will come naturally from food and about 3 teaspoons of flax per day. These are estimates as I don't know what you weigh.

Weight training should be brief and heavy to keep muscle intact. Cardio will be 1 long session first thing in the morning or preferably 2 shorter daily sessions.

After this show you should take a week off and then get back to September plan.

Let me know if you have more questions.

I agree in part and disagree in part. I agree with all of gopros recommendations and concur with him that you certainly can drop 3% BF. I think you said you were around 130-140 pounds so 3% would mean about 4 pounds right? Of course if you keep carbs low and fat relatively low you can drop 4 pounds in 22 days w/o sacrificing muscle (so long as you continue to train heavy and relatively low weights -- the 8 rep range).

However, I do believe this will impact your september show. If you are looking to put on mass for september this show will prevent you from gaining anything for about a month right? (22 days plus the week after?)

Effectively you have 2 months to add mass until Sept (June and July). August would be cutting back right? So if you only have 2 months to gain, and you eliminate 1 of those months.....

BTW, I wouldn't mind seeing those pics either.

**gopro** · 05-31-2002, 09:34 AM

Yes, I agree that it could have a slight affect on mass...only slight...for her Sept show. However, I think this will benefit her more by putting her ahead of the game which will make dieting later on easier which will help her to RETAIN more muscle closer to the show. Plus it will give her a chance to try a peaking process before Sept, which she will no doubt want to tweak at her later show.

In this case the benefits will outweigh the negatives.

Twin Peak · 05-31-2002, 09:40 AM

Possibly. Though I tend to disagree on this point, I recognize that you do have more experience in the competition arena. It depends though on more info that we don't have. How experieced she is, how easily (or difficult) she leans out, or bulks up, what her short term AND long term goals are, etc.

J'Bo · 05-31-2002, 10:10 AM

IPMC

No doubt you guys want nudies look at you dirty little pics.

Pervs.

Rusty · 05-31-2002, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J'Bo
IPMC

Pervs.

Guilty as charged..............

J'Bo · 05-31-2002, 10:12 AM

dg806

Yes i posted some pics, but that was a month ago when i competed. Don't look like that now.

I'll get on taking some new ones.

J'Bo · 05-31-2002, 10:16 AM

gopro

1 Hour of cardio?
Are you nuts? LOL
I have never done 1 hour before.
Last competition i lost 2% of bodyfat in a week just from eating good and no cardio. I had to drop cardio completly out from the last show because i was getting too lean too fast. My metabloism runs like a mother effer.
You gave me the best advice though.
Thanks.

J'Bo · 05-31-2002, 10:25 AM

Ok here are the stats boys (no dirty pics though).

Right now i am 132lbs and 14% bf.
I competed at 123lbs (i lost the last 5 lbs the last week) and 12%.
The reason why i lost so much so fast was because it was water and because i cheated right up to the last week. Opps. Just being honest. I am naturally pretty lean and always sit at 15% no matter if i eat McDonalds for 1 month straight. I have made some good gains (i think) in the past month, and think that if i stick to pushing hard and eating good i can still gain a bit more by Sept. Seriously i know that if i eat good for 3 days i can see a huge difference. I always have my abs and the only real problem is leaning out my legs. No sick comments about adductor squeezes please boys.

If you guys need anymore info let me know.
I'll get those pics to you within the next couple of days.
By the way my old comp. pic is posted already.

05-31-2002, 07:04 AM	#1
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Need opinions desperately! BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com Hello to all! My hope is that everyone gives me their honest opinion here. I am thinking of doing a physique challenge in only 22 days time. I competed 1 month ago in fitness and now this challenge has come up. I am 14% bodyfat thats only 2% off of what i competed at last monthe. I would like to get to 11% if posssible. Do you guys think i could get to 11% by June.22nd? Also a major factor of whether or not i do it is if will hinder my preformance for my Sept.7th's fitness competition. I am in a building phase right now to try to put some muscle on for Sept. So will it hurt my muscle mass to diet 3 weeks for the physique challenge? and then when i am done be only 2.5 monthes out from comp. so would i diet right through? I could really use some help here. If anyone could give me some tips, i would be greatful. Also i could use a new pre-comp diet (3 weeks out). I had problems with my last one and seemed to come in looking worse than 1 week out. Signed, Kinda clueless at this point. Training wise? Up the cardio and practice the challenges?
	....and thats my $.02

05-31-2002, 07:09 AM	#2
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 16,938	IMHO, I think it would be hard as hell to lose 3% in 22 days without losing a lot of muscle!! Not saying don't do it, just don't go overboard!!! I think you can get close though!!
	www.sbmuscle.com

05-31-2002, 07:11 AM	#3
Rusty FTW Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: On my Harley Posts: 4,305	J'Bo, I would love to help you out here. Myself and my compadres Kuso and DG, are pro's at this. But to better evaluate you can you send me some pic's of yourself. Nude pics would help me to better evaluate your current situation. thanks Dr. IPMC
	~RUSTY~

05-31-2002, 07:16 AM	#5
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 16,938	J'bo didn't you post some pics once???
	www.sbmuscle.com

05-31-2002, 07:26 AM	#8
Rusty FTW Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: On my Harley Posts: 4,305	Really J'bo, We have the best intentions at heart here. We aim to give you the most extensive evaluation possible. Dr. IPMC
	~RUSTY~

05-31-2002, 07:12 AM	#4
ponyboy Training Trainer Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Running around somewhere Posts: 2,608 Photos: 1	I say don't try to lose too much, because DG is right, that's a lot to lose in a short period of time. Personally, I would still compete though if you want to. Even just for the sake of experience and exposure. It certainly can't hurt. Call it a competition for fun and education and leave it at that, don't put a lot of pressure on yourself.

05-31-2002, 07:22 AM	#7
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	Um.......excuse me for my drunkness, but without reading a single word you said..... ( anything more that about 2 sentances is pushing it ) I would have to say I agree 1000000% with IPMC :

05-31-2002, 07:27 AM	#9
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	Oh.........and we are the only certified team legally available to give fat % online

05-31-2002, 07:30 AM	#10
Rusty FTW Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: On my Harley Posts: 4,305	Where is DG.....need some help bud.....
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05-31-2002, 07:37 AM	#11
Tank316 P/RR/Sh Warrior Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Barron,Wi Posts: 4,345 Photos: 8	ya bunch of horndogs.
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05-31-2002, 07:59 AM	#16
Rusty FTW Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: On my Harley Posts: 4,305	Well, the good ole Doc IPMC will be monitoring in case she want our official advice.
	~RUSTY~

05-31-2002, 08:05 AM	#18
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 16,938	I hear ya!!! See what we've been missing!!
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05-31-2002, 09:34 AM	#21
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,477	Yes, I agree that it could have a slight affect on mass...only slight...for her Sept show. However, I think this will benefit her more by putting her ahead of the game which will make dieting later on easier which will help her to RETAIN more muscle closer to the show. Plus it will give her a chance to try a peaking process before Sept, which she will no doubt want to tweak at her later show. In this case the benefits will outweigh the negatives.
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05-31-2002, 09:40 AM	#22
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Possibly. Though I tend to disagree on this point, I recognize that you do have more experience in the competition arena. It depends though on more info that we don't have. How experieced she is, how easily (or difficult) she leans out, or bulks up, what her short term AND long term goals are, etc.
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05-31-2002, 10:10 AM	#23
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	IPMC No doubt you guys want nudies look at you dirty little pics. Pervs.
	....and thats my $.02

05-31-2002, 10:12 AM	#25
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	dg806 Yes i posted some pics, but that was a month ago when i competed. Don't look like that now. I'll get on taking some new ones.
	....and thats my $.02

05-31-2002, 10:16 AM	#26
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	gopro 1 Hour of cardio? Are you nuts? LOL I have never done 1 hour before. Last competition i lost 2% of bodyfat in a week just from eating good and no cardio. I had to drop cardio completly out from the last show because i was getting too lean too fast. My metabloism runs like a mother effer. You gave me the best advice though. Thanks.
	....and thats my $.02

05-31-2002, 10:25 AM	#27
J'Bo Cuddle Slut Join Date: May 2002 Location: Back in Canada Posts: 9,753 Photos: 6	Ok here are the stats boys (no dirty pics though). Right now i am 132lbs and 14% bf. I competed at 123lbs (i lost the last 5 lbs the last week) and 12%. The reason why i lost so much so fast was because it was water and because i cheated right up to the last week. Opps. Just being honest. I am naturally pretty lean and always sit at 15% no matter if i eat McDonalds for 1 month straight. I have made some good gains (i think) in the past month, and think that if i stick to pushing hard and eating good i can still gain a bit more by Sept. Seriously i know that if i eat good for 3 days i can see a huge difference. I always have my abs and the only real problem is leaning out my legs. No sick comments about adductor squeezes please boys. If you guys need anymore info let me know. I'll get those pics to you within the next couple of days. By the way my old comp. pic is posted already.
	....and thats my $.02