Introducing Replenish™ - FAQ & Write-up

**nni** · 11-30-2006, 08:20 AM

In true DS fashion, we deliver ahead of schedule...(ahem), and so without further ado, here is all the information for Replenish™.

Q. How many servings does Replenish™ provide?

A. Approximately 15.

Q. How long will a tub last?

A. Depends on how frequently you use it, or how often you train. Given that most people train three-to-four times per week, or twelve-to-sixteen times per month, you have approximately a month’s worth of your post-training nutrition covered.

Q. How should I mix it and when?

A. With 12-16oz of water. Drink half immediately after training, add another 8oz water and drink the remainder over the next twenty minutes or so.

Q. Why this particular protocol?

A. Because it avoids any potential bloating from drinking a lot in a short space of time. Plus, it tastes damn nice and allows you to savor the flavor.

Q. Can I use Replenish™ any other time?

A. Replenish™ is great for energy repletion, and stimulating protein synthesis, but it makes for a rather expensive meal replacement, so we’d recommend only using post-workout unless have you have oodles of cash to throw around. In that case, knock yourself out.

Q. If Replenish™ is for after training, what should I drink before training?

A. The pre-workout supplement of your choice. We recommend XCEED™. For those who like carbohydrates when they train, we’ll recommend Fire™ when it is released.

Q. What should I drink during training?

A. Again, that is your call. Some like to drink whey protein, others like to drink BCAA and some are happy with just water. We like a good BCAA drink, but unless you are on a strict diet, if your pre and post workout nutrition is sound, it is not critical.

Q. Usually Citrulline malate is found in pre-workout formulas. Why is it in your post-workout formula?

A. Citrulline malate is excellent for endurance due to its buffering capabilities and we are big fans of the compound. It is in fact these properties that we have included it for! Not only does Citrulline malate help dispose of toxic ammonia build-up from exercise, it also promotes nitric oxide (NO) signalling, promotes phosphocreatine levels in muscle, and the malate is considered to be the reason that Citrulline malate promotes ATP synthesis. These factors make Citrulline malate fantastic for recovery purposes.

Q. Why only one gram of creatine ethyl ester?

A. It is enough to replenish lost creatine reserves. Don’t forget also, it uses ethyl ester technology which appears to require a lesser dose than the equivalent amount of creatine monohydrate. Most people use a creatine-based formula before training anyway, so this works out very well.

Q. Why the combination of carbohydrate sources in Replenish™? Should they not all be fast-acting carb sources?

A. Yes and no. We have included a blend of maltodextrin and oat fiber for their different digestion rates. While this seems contradictory, it is in fact not. This is because carbohydrates are broken down into their simplest form (typically glucose) to pass through the intestines. Once in the blood stream, they enter cells via a process called active transport. This process is rate limiting, so only a certain amount of glucose can enter the cell at any one time. Therefore it makes little sense to flood the bloodstream with glucose at once. Not only do you run the risk of the glucose being oxidised for energy, you also increase the chance of the glucose being stored as body fat. Replenish™ contains maltodextrin, a fast-acting carbohydrate, and oat fiber, a slower digesting carbohydrate, to form a sustained release of carbohydrate to the muscle.

Q. So why is the formula not loaded with carbohydrates and sugar like other post-workout products?

A. Because most bodybuilders do not need to drown themselves in sugar after training. Endurance athletes will want to add more carbohydrates to Replenish™ for recovery due to them expending a lot more calories and using up a lot more glycogen reserves during training.

Going heavy on the carbohydrates post-workout is even more unnecessary for those who drink some sort of carbohydrate drink during training. A constant influx of carbohydrates and protein over the day is ideal. Sudden and sharp spikes will ultimately lead to unfavourable fat accumulation.

Q. The label says fortified with leucine. What is so special about leucine?

A. Leucine is a marvellous amino acid that is becoming more and more popular in the bodybuilding community. It is said to be the main trigger for protein synthesis and has anti-catabolic properties. In combination with the other essential amino acids and carbohydrates (and thus, insulin), it becomes quite anabolic.

Q. Does the leucine actually make any difference at all?

A. Scientific research certainly indicates this to be a resounding yes; so does anecdotal feedback.

Q. Is the added Leucine part of the 30 grams of protein on the label, or in addition?

A. It is additional. We wouldn’t sell you guys short.

Q. Why does Replenish™ not use whey hydrolysate?

A. Hydrolysate is good stuff, but it is also pricey and we do not feel it is really worth the extra cash that it would have made Replenish™ cost. Whey protein isolate and concentrate work just fine, and when you consider the fortification of the leucine and isoleucine, it is pretty potent stuff.

Q. Are there any fats or creatine precursors in Replenish™?

A. No additional fats and no precursors, no. Nothing beats creatine replenishment better than creatine, although Citrulline may help phosphocreatine replenishment.

Q. Can I use Glucophase XR™ with Replenish™ to maximise nutrient uptake?

A. Absolutely. We recommend you do, in fact. A serving of VIGOR™ may also be of benefit if you have not taken one before training. The anti-oxidants in Glucophase XR™ and VIGOR™ help control free radicals that can put the breaks on protein synthesis and impede recovery after training.

Q: How does Replenish™ stack up against some of the other popular post-workout products?

A: We'd love for you to compare the formulas. Then compare the price. Then let us know.

Q. Can I use Replenish™ while dieting?

A. Absolutely. Simply include it as part of your daily calorie totals.

Q. What if I am on a ketogenic diet?

A. Even ketogenic diets can include a certain amount of carbohydrates each day, but really it depends how sensitive you are. If you are doing a full cyclical ketogenic diet, you need to find out how many carbohydrates it takes you to be knocked out of ketosis. Replenish™ only yields 30g of carbohydrates, so you should be ok.

For those doing the targeted ketogenic diet, which carbohydrates after training, Replenish™ is perfect.

Q. I am just low-carbing, not going into ketosis. Is this ok?

A. Absolutely. Simply include it as part of your daily calorie totals.

Q. I have tried most of the components in Replenish™ individually and most taste nasty. How did you get it to taste so damn good with all that crap in there?

A. Because we spent the necessary time and money to ensure that this product tastes great. Unfortunately this does add a little more by way of price, but we feel this is absolutely worth it.

Q. So what flavours are going to be released in the future?

A. We have several in the pipeline, so keep an eye out!

Q. I have a medical condition. Can I use Replenish™?

A. Always consult your physician before using any new supplement.

Check our website for information about availability.

emitecaps · 12-01-2006, 10:19 PM

Very interesting ingredients in there. With the CM, CEE, and Leucine and Oat fiber you have any array of tastes and texture. CM and CEE being bitter I would have thought a lemonade flavor would be easier to mask than the watermelon. Leucine and Oat Fiber have some distinct texture so it will be interesting to see how noticeable they are.

OMGitsMAXX · 12-02-2006, 01:26 PM

Looks pretty retarded, you people didn't even use Whey Hydro in here.. bummer.
Citrulline Malate post workout? And how much 4-Hydroxyiso is there? Probably not a lot.

Not impressed at all.

**nni** · 12-02-2006, 02:47 PM

sorry you feel that way max. but cosidering you are one of the worst trolls of all time, im sure we will deal with it.

emitecaps · 12-02-2006, 08:30 PM

I'd like to hear what Max thinks would be the optimal pwo formula since he obviously knows so much.

OMGitsMAXX · 12-02-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

sorry you feel that way max. but cosidering you are one of the worst trolls of all time, im sure we will deal with it.

Oh really? Well.. how do you like my new and improved approach.. first post in a supplement FAQ to bash it rather then starting a thread? You owe me rep points on my next username! oh you so do!

Here is why I think Replenish blows:
1) Cheap Forms of Carbs (Come On! Maltodextrin is so 2001)
2) Whey Isolate and Concentrate? I am guessing its a 50% split. Then you highly-dosed some fiber so people won't realize that its mostly concentrate.
3) There is 50mg Magnsium Acetate, and as 4-Hydroxyisoleucine falls right after it, so I am pretty sure its low dosed. I don't know how much MA is Mag thought.
4) Inulin falls before Isoleucine so it is probably low dosed as well. Let me guess.. 7.2g of Leucine.
5) 1.5g of Citrulline is just retarded and 1.0g of CEE is even stupider. Keep suprising me.

Basically.. cheap forms of protein with cheap forms of carbs, covered up with Fiber and results driven from Leucine. Hyped ingredients to make it seem like something that it is not.

**nni** · 12-02-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by emitecaps

I'd like to hear what Max thinks would be the optimal pwo formula since he obviously knows so much.

max has been banned from bb.com well voer a dozen times for many things. he gets angry and tries to "call out" companies. i dont want anyone to think i am just blowing off a legit question, it's just that i know max, and what he is all about.

OMGitsMAXX · 12-02-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by emitecaps

I'd like to hear what Max thinks would be the optimal pwo formula since he obviously knows so much.

50g Glucose / Dextrose, maybe a split
25g of Whey Hydroisolate
10g of Leucine
5-10g of Taurine
3g of Creatine Monohydrate

Its flawless, Vitargo would be better but too expensive. The POST workout shake you will take after the "MyoMax" will create a larger spike, which would be perfect because Creatine Monohydrate won't be on time for the first Hydro insulin spike. Leucine and Taurine will do the job on recovery.

OMGitsMAXX · 12-02-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

max has been banned from bb.com well voer a dozen times for many things. he gets angry and tries to "call out" companies. i dont want anyone to think i am just blowing off a legit question, it's just that i know max, and what he is all about.

If I would have made a fake username and made that post, would it make a difference?

**nni** · 12-02-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGitsMAXX

Oh really? Well.. how do you like my new and improved approach.. first post in a supplement FAQ to bash it rather then starting a thread? You owe me rep points on my next username! oh you so do!

Here is why I think Replenish blows:
1) Cheap Forms of Carbs (Come On! Maltodextrin is so 2001)
2) Whey Isolate and Concentrate? I am guessing its a 50% split. Then you highly-dosed some fiber so people won't realize that its mostly concentrate.
3) There is 50mg Magnsium Acetate, and as 4-Hydroxyisoleucine falls right after it, so I am pretty sure its low dosed. I don't know how much MA is Mag thought.
4) Inulin falls before Isoleucine so it is probably low dosed as well. Let me guess.. 7.2g of Leucine.
5) 1.5g of Citrulline is just retarded and 1.0g of CEE is even stupider. Keep suprising me.

Basically.. cheap forms of protein with cheap forms of carbs, covered up with Fiber and results driven from Leucine. Hyped ingredients to make it seem like something that it is not.

umm max, do you need a high dose of creatine post work out? no. especially if you are taking creatine pre, look at the title of the product, replenish, not overload, replenish. it is designed to be bookended with xceed. your creatine stores will need to be refilled, but not with a full dose. hydro is an excellent choice of protein, BUT there are several reasons for not including it, one being price. we want to get you the best post workout formula for the best price and we do not feel that the cost of hydro is of enough benefit to include it. cheap form of carbs? max you obviously dont understand what the product is supposed to do, so you are trying to make yourself look smart. you need high gi and low gi carbs post workout. malto fits this bill, so does dextrose, but malto won the battle. essentially instead of reading the faq and actually learning something, you continue to bash, and continue you vendetta against a handful of companies. now i kindly ask you not to bring that garbage to this board as you can plainly see that doesnt happen here.

max, i have known you for a long time now, do yourself and read, and understand before lashing out. at some point you might see the error of your ways.

**nni** · 12-02-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGitsMAXX

If I would have made a fake username and made that post, would it make a difference?

yes, someone who has an actual question or comment i will gladly address. someone who has publicly stated that he would do anything to bring down a handful of companies (ds included) gets no actual response, even though i tried to address it a bit in my post above.

**IainDaniel** · 12-02-2006, 09:28 PM

Good lord he found his way here

Nate K · 12-02-2006, 09:58 PM

hehe, this is great.

haiz69 · 12-02-2006, 10:19 PM

Nice looking formula. Impressed.

OMGitsMAXX · 12-02-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

umm max, do you need a high dose of creatine post work out? no. especially if you are taking creatine pre, look at the title of the product, replenish, not overload, replenish. it is designed to be bookended with xceed. your creatine stores will need to be refilled, but not with a full dose. hydro is an excellent choice of protein, BUT there are several reasons for not including it, one being price. we want to get you the best post workout formula for the best price and we do not feel that the cost of hydro is of enough benefit to include it. cheap form of carbs? max you obviously dont understand what the product is supposed to do, so you are trying to make yourself look smart. you need high gi and low gi carbs post workout. malto fits this bill, so does dextrose, but malto won the battle. essentially instead of reading the faq and actually learning something, you continue to bash, and continue you vendetta against a handful of companies. now i kindly ask you not to bring that garbage to this board as you can plainly see that doesnt happen here.

max, i have known you for a long time now, do yourself and read, and understand before lashing out. at some point you might see the error of your ways.

You could have atleast made the CEE at 2g so that way it replaced PrimaForce CEE post-Workout. There is only complex carbs in this label, and who the hell are you kidding the Maltodextrin is one of the cheapest forms of carbs. It is like $2.50 a kilo throught a retailer, imagine how much they pay.

This product is bad in many ways, I cannot believe you used Citrulline Malate in here either, and it is dosed higher then the CEE! You still did not answer the whole 4-Hydroxyisoleucine issue, as well as everything else.

OMGitsMAXX · 12-02-2006, 10:56 PM

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hehe, this is great.

It gets better!

Twin Peak · 12-03-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Good lord he found his way here

Yes, indeed, Max is perhaps the worst troll to ever grace the bodybuilding forums. He is a snot-nosed 16 year old kid who believes he is god's gift to supplement nutrition. Unfortunately, he knows enough to be be dangerous -- i.e. if you don't know better he sounds like he knows what he is talking about. But really all he does is make stupid comments and false accusation.

I have also heard from more then one source that he is the worst type of troll, that in fact he is a shill and is paid by a certain company to do this. I can no longer take make seriously, because he clearly has an emotional disorder. He has gone publicly and accused DS and other companies of committing fraud. He has no morals, and is not afraid to stoop very low.

You can see here that he is just following DS to another forum, trying to make us look bad. But if you see through his histrionics, it is all bullshit. In fact, EVERY ONE OF HIS QUESTIONS is answered (to the extent we are going to say so) in the FAQs and in the write up. So either he hasn't read them, he is too stupic to understand them, or he is INTENTIONALLY seeking to mislead people. And let me make clear, that of course he has read them, and he isn't stupid, just mentally disturbed. Anyway, lets see if we can
t shed some light on this:

1) Whey hydro is discussed in the FAQMORE HISTRIONICS.

2) CM is explain in the write up.MORE HISTRIONICS.

3) CEE and the amount is explain in both the FAQ and write up -- we are NOT looking to supra elevate creatine levels. If you want that, get a creatine product, this is to merely REPLENISH creatine levels. MORE HISTRIONICS.

4) How does fiber hide anything? There is fiber from inulin and the oat powder. How odes that hide the ratio of isolate to concentrate? Oh yeah, it doesn't and has nothing to do with it. MORE HISTRIONICS.

5) 4-hydroxy -- the amount is relatively little, but you don't need a ton. You want to know how much? Buy a bottle and have it tested -- its a proprietary blend for a reason.

6) Malto is cheap? NO SHIT REALLY? Its also damn effective for replenishing glycogen stores. And you don't need a lot, lest it spill over into fat. Thats why there is only 15 grams. MORE HISTRIONICS.

7) The protein ratio is 50/50, concentrate is not bad. And we use a blend here to keep cost down. Check out the per serving price and compare it to other popular products like myozene, anator, etc.

Did I miss anything?

Robboe · 12-03-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGitsMAXX

Here is why I think Replenish blows:
1) Cheap Forms of Carbs (Come On! Maltodextrin is so 2001)

We could have used a fancy carb source like palintose. But why jack up the cost of the product when it is really not necessary? Same argument for the non-use of hydrolysate. It is great, but even when you mix hydrolysate with carbs and other stuff, the impact of them will still be reduced somewhat. Why jack up the cost when whey + leucine and isoleucine will work great?

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2) Whey Isolate and Concentrate? I am guessing its a 50% split. Then you highly-dosed some fiber so people won't realize that its mostly concentrate.

How can you guess 50% and then say it is "mostly" concentrate. Wouldn't mostly dictate the blend be at least 51% in favor of concentrate?

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3) There is 50mg Magnsium Acetate, and as 4-Hydroxyisoleucine falls right after it, so I am pretty sure its low dosed. I don't know how much MA is Mag thought.

Wrong. 50mg elemental magnesium FROM magnesium acetate. We included this for the acetate fundamentally, although magnesium has welcome effects also. But granted it is not a very high dose of the metal. Then again, we do not make magnesium a major part of the marketing. The magnesium acetate is listed under ingredients as its total weight (acetate included), so there is substantially more 4-hydroxy than 50mg.

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4) Inulin falls before Isoleucine so it is probably low dosed as well. Let me guess.. 7.2g of Leucine.

Don't understand this. Why would such a dose of leucine be a bad thing?

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5) 1.5g of Citrulline is just retarded and 1.0g of CEE is even stupider. Keep suprising me.

This is for post-workout recovery and replenishment, not pre-workout supraphysiological elevations.

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Basically.. cheap forms of protein with cheap forms of carbs, covered up with Fiber and results driven from Leucine. Hyped ingredients to make it seem like something that it is not.

Hyped? Would you prefer we have ethyl-esters of all amino acids in here? alpha-ketoglutarate forms of BCAAs maybe?

Robboe · 12-03-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGitsMAXX

You could have atleast made the CEE at 2g so that way it replaced PrimaForce CEE post-Workout. There is only complex carbs in this label, and who the hell are you kidding the Maltodextrin is one of the cheapest forms of carbs. It is like $2.50 a kilo throught a retailer, imagine how much they pay.

This product is bad in many ways, I cannot believe you used Citrulline Malate in here either, and it is dosed higher then the CEE! You still did not answer the whole 4-Hydroxyisoleucine issue, as well as everything else.

Maltodextrin is only classed as complex because there is no "medium-chain" classification for carbs. It is not simple because it is typically chain lengths of 3-8 glucose molecules long. To put this into perspective, something like oats is 1000s of molecules tightly coiled, and even with fibre cross-hatches. It may be classed as complex, but malto digests pretty much as quickly as glucose.

No need for 2g CEE post-workout. Most people use creatine pre-workout, and we also recommend xceed for pre-workout (obviously). There is no point trying to hammer more creatine into cells in this case. Simply, replenish what was lost.

Citrulline malate is an excellent compound for ATP synthesis, which is perfect for recovery. Especially after training.

**IainDaniel** · 12-03-2006, 11:46 AM

All we needed was a troll to bring back TCD

OMGitsMAXX · 12-03-2006, 07:29 PM

I came across this site when I was googling for Replenish Supp Facts..

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Originally Posted by Robboe

We could have used a fancy carb source like palintose. But why jack up the cost of the product when it is really not necessary? Same argument for the non-use of hydrolysate. It is great, but even when you mix hydrolysate with carbs and other stuff, the impact of them will still be reduced somewhat. Why jack up the cost when whey + leucine and isoleucine will work great?

Just a question, how much will this supplement cost? Also, Leucine + Whey is nothing newly accomplished and to make a supplement over it seems really retarded. You almost took the step towards putting Cell Tech + NitroTech together but failed.

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Originally Posted by Robboe

How can you guess 50% and then say it is "mostly" concentrate. Wouldn't mostly dictate the blend be at least 51% in favor of concentrate?

Because your rep just admit it.. look lower. The reason I think its 50/50 is because you probably just wanted WPI to climb out to the front of the label.

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Originally Posted by Robboe

Wrong. 50mg elemental magnesium FROM magnesium acetate. We included this for the acetate fundamentally, although magnesium has welcome effects also. But granted it is not a very high dose of the metal. Then again, we do not make magnesium a major part of the marketing. The magnesium acetate is listed under ingredients as its total weight (acetate included), so there is substantially more 4-hydroxy than 50mg.

Asshole, thats why I said, "I do not know how much % Magnesium is MA." I do not see why you would not put out the amount of 4-HI if it was well dosed.

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Don't understand this. Why would such a dose of leucine be a bad thing?

I never said it was bad.. I just said it is probably 7.2g.. where did I say it was bad?

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This is for post-workout recovery and replenishment, not pre-workout supraphysiological elevations.

I'm guessing that what Anator / Vendetta is for then.

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Hyped? Would you prefer we have ethyl-esters of all amino acids in here? alpha-ketoglutarate forms of BCAAs maybe?

Wouldn't hurt to spicen things up. Maybe you can get some from VPX, they make great supplements.

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Originally Posted by Robboe

No need for 2g CEE post-workout. Most people use creatine pre-workout, and we also recommend xceed for pre-workout (obviously). There is no point trying to hammer more creatine into cells in this case. Simply, replenish what was lost.

Citrulline malate is an excellent compound for ATP synthesis, which is perfect for recovery. Especially after training.

These two things bother be. When the PrimaForce CEE Caps + XCEED combo was pimped so bad, people took 3g CEE pre-Workout and 2g CEE post-Workout. And now it is too much Creatine? You guys are amazing.

Also, I feel the dose of CM was just WAY too low, I doubt it will accomplish anything and is probably quite stupid.

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