Help please!!!

jbish8 · 06-17-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by est doll

There isn't an e-version of UD 2.0 anymore.

After researching and snooping around the internet,I believe it used to exist,but it has been removed because people used to pass it around.

I ran into the same problem a few weeks ago when i finally bought hard copy version from Lyle's website.They shipped it really fast with no problem.

Only took a few days.

Oh well, thanks for the help anyways. By the way, how are you liking it so far?

est doll · 06-17-2009, 10:33 PM

I am not using UD 2.0 as yet.People say wonderful things about it though.

I am currently strength training (Built is coaching me!) and I'm about to do a PSMF (Rapid fat Loss - another book by Lyle) and only once i'm through with that I'll be on UD 2.0.

I just do whatever Built tells me,and so far - works like magic!

I'm sure my physical goals are very different from yours though,given the fact that I'm clueless at BB-ing and am a female.

There are a few people on this forum that have posted their UD 2.0 experiences though, just do a search,all the ones i have seen have been very positive,that's what made me buy the book.Partly - because i'd like to use the UD 2.0 in the near future and partly to just educate myself on the way things work (nitrition-wise) - Lyle explains everything in detail,I'm learning a lot from the books (RFL and UD 2.0) and of course Built is a walking encyclopedia.

jbish8 · 06-18-2009, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by est doll

I just do whatever Built tells me,and so far - works like magic!

Yup, I'm learning that's the case. I tried her bicep workout, and loved it. Also tried cleans for the first time. Loved that one too, makes me want to try some more Olympic lifts I haven't done yet. Time for some youtubin'. Well good luck, not that ya need it.....just keep doin' what she tells ya.

nkira · 06-18-2009, 04:15 AM

Cleans are BOMB!

jbish8 · 06-19-2009, 11:39 AM

So I've read through the UD2 book, and love Lyle's reasoning and explanations for how and why things work during cutting and bulking phases. It makes alot of sense to me. Here's my question however: Has anyone here successfully BULKED on this diet and if so could you describe your results. The reason I ask is, while his program makes alot of sense to me in being efficent on a cut, I have some concerns that it would work as well on a bulk (which is my goal). Any input is greatly appreciated.

gtbmed · 06-19-2009, 02:35 PM

How do you want to incorporate 5x5 into your program? I think it's best suited for heavy compound lifts, which you should be doing early in your workout.

Apart from that, Starr's 5x5 program recommends that you start at a weight that is only a percentage of your 5RM. For example, many people recommend starting the program somewhere between 80-90% of your current 5RM (as opposed to the 85% of your 1RM that you're using), then building up the weight progressively over a few weeks until you start setting new 5RMs and stuff like that.

5x5 is a difficult rep range, but my guess is, if you're experiencing some pain, you need to let your body get accustomed to that type of load. Drop the weight a bit, work up to your current 5RMs over a few weeks, and you should get comfotable with it.

jbish8 · 06-19-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gtbmed

How do you want to incorporate 5x5 into your program? I think it's best suited for heavy compound lifts, which you should be doing early in your workout.

Apart from that, Starr's 5x5 program recommends that you start at a weight that is only a percentage of your 5RM. For example, many people recommend starting the program somewhere between 80-90% of your current 5RM (as opposed to the 85% of your 1RM that you're using), then building up the weight progressively over a few weeks until you start setting new 5RMs and stuff like that.

5x5 is a difficult rep range, but my guess is, if you're experiencing some pain, you need to let your body get accustomed to that type of load. Drop the weight a bit, work up to your current 5RMs over a few weeks, and you should get comfotable with it.

Great advice. I actually do think that's my problem, cause after studying up some on training, I've realized my training has all been endurance (high volume, high reps, and short rests), and I don't think my body (joints and such) are used to or ready for 85% of my one rep max. I like the logic in what you're saying. Thanks alot. I'm gonna try it.

gtbmed · 06-19-2009, 02:59 PM

Also, if you're accustomed to short rest intervals, you may need to think about getting more rest between each set of 5 reps.

5 reps of a heavy compound lift is taxing, not only to the muscles but to the CNS. Starr/Pendlay generally recommend something like 2-5 minutes of rest between sets, but you have to go by how you feel. If you do a set and you feel really fatigued, you may need to rest more, things like that.

jbish8 · 06-20-2009, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtbmed

Also, if you're accustomed to short rest intervals, you may need to think about getting more rest between each set of 5 reps.

5 reps of a heavy compound lift is taxing, not only to the muscles but to the CNS. Starr/Pendlay generally recommend something like 2-5 minutes of rest between sets, but you have to go by how you feel. If you do a set and you feel really fatigued, you may need to rest more, things like that.

Yeah, I've tried one of Starrs programs and resting that long is hard for me (just cause I'm so used to the short rests that it feels like I'm not working hard if I'm not panting), but I can force the rests, it's the joint issues I haven't figured out. I think your earlier advice should do the trick.

06-19-2009, 11:39 AM	#35
jbish8 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: usa Posts: 150	"To UD2 or not to UD2" So I've read through the UD2 book, and love Lyle's reasoning and explanations for how and why things work during cutting and bulking phases. It makes alot of sense to me. Here's my question however: Has anyone here successfully BULKED on this diet and if so could you describe your results. The reason I ask is, while his program makes alot of sense to me in being efficent on a cut, I have some concerns that it would work as well on a bulk (which is my goal). Any input is greatly appreciated.

06-19-2009, 02:35 PM	#36
gtbmed Greg Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 370	How do you want to incorporate 5x5 into your program? I think it's best suited for heavy compound lifts, which you should be doing early in your workout. Apart from that, Starr's 5x5 program recommends that you start at a weight that is only a percentage of your 5RM. For example, many people recommend starting the program somewhere between 80-90% of your current 5RM (as opposed to the 85% of your 1RM that you're using), then building up the weight progressively over a few weeks until you start setting new 5RMs and stuff like that. 5x5 is a difficult rep range, but my guess is, if you're experiencing some pain, you need to let your body get accustomed to that type of load. Drop the weight a bit, work up to your current 5RMs over a few weeks, and you should get comfotable with it. gtbmed's strength journal

06-19-2009, 02:59 PM	#38
gtbmed Greg Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Atlanta Posts: 370	Also, if you're accustomed to short rest intervals, you may need to think about getting more rest between each set of 5 reps. 5 reps of a heavy compound lift is taxing, not only to the muscles but to the CNS. Starr/Pendlay generally recommend something like 2-5 minutes of rest between sets, but you have to go by how you feel. If you do a set and you feel really fatigued, you may need to rest more, things like that. gtbmed's strength journal

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06-17-2009, 10:33 PM	#32
est doll Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: las vegas Posts: 48	I am not using UD 2.0 as yet.People say wonderful things about it though. I am currently strength training (Built is coaching me!) and I'm about to do a PSMF (Rapid fat Loss - another book by Lyle) and only once i'm through with that I'll be on UD 2.0. I just do whatever Built tells me,and so far - works like magic! I'm sure my physical goals are very different from yours though,given the fact that I'm clueless at BB-ing and am a female. There are a few people on this forum that have posted their UD 2.0 experiences though, just do a search,all the ones i have seen have been very positive,that's what made me buy the book.Partly - because i'd like to use the UD 2.0 in the near future and partly to just educate myself on the way things work (nitrition-wise) - Lyle explains everything in detail,I'm learning a lot from the books (RFL and UD 2.0) and of course Built is a walking encyclopedia.