the right post carbs

Hutchym8 · 06-14-2009, 01:27 AM

last couple of weeks iv been smashing down cereal straight after my workouts (weetbix) is that good carbs to be eating straight after a workout.. also i been pumping honey on it.. iknow sugar is bad... honey bad aswel??
any gd advice on post workout carbs would b awsm

**Built** · 06-14-2009, 01:58 AM

The cereal is fine, with milk even better. Get some dextrose to have on it - the honey's got the same problem as table sugar: fructose.

Kevsworld · 06-14-2009, 07:23 AM

Sugary carbs are not so bad when you take them after your workouts. They help with glycogen resynthesis:

Strong and Fit: Lose Fat, Build Muscle: Post Workout Shake

jhawkin1 · 06-14-2009, 08:46 AM

I like oats with some semi-sugary granola or even some Blueberries

juggernaut · 06-14-2009, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhawkin1

even some Blueberries

fructose

juggernaut · 06-14-2009, 04:49 PM

Right now I am cutting with a PSMF, I add in macadamia nut oil with my pwo+creatine. I got this little trick from Dave Palumbo's site. No carbs. I dont miss it.

DIVINITUS · 06-14-2009, 06:03 PM

i roll with water, a banana and whey, blended. Not sure if it's the "best" form of carbs pwo, but I like it, goes down quick and I'm ready eat 30-40 minutes later.

jhawkin1 · 06-14-2009, 10:17 PM

Yeah, whey makes me hungry, especially with fruit!

Core627 · 06-17-2009, 10:41 AM

Usually get a protein shake with some dextrose and whey protein isolate, glutamine and creatine.

Kevsworld · 06-17-2009, 10:48 AM

The shake I mentioned would have some simple sugar and fructose. Fructose tends to refill liver glycogen while glucose tends to go to the muscles.

Use both and you have a one-two punch for glycogen resynthesis. At least, that's my theory.

juggernaut · 06-17-2009, 11:49 AM

Are you depleted? Why are trying to refill liver glycogen?

QuestionGuy · 06-17-2009, 02:19 PM

I have always just had whey protein (40g protein) after my workouts and ate about one hour later, seemed to work fine for me...am i missing something?

juggernaut · 06-17-2009, 02:35 PM

depends on how your body reacts to carbs, and what youre training for. Good question QG

Jag · 06-20-2009, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juggernaut

fructose

Can someone please refresh my knowledge why fructose is bad post workout.

**Built** · 06-20-2009, 02:34 AM

It doesn't stimulate the much-desired insulin response, and it is preferentially taken up by liver glycogen.

nkira · 06-20-2009, 07:52 AM

The liver is the major site of fructose metabolism. In the liver, fructose can be converted to glucose derivatives and stored as liver glycogen — which is good if you're physically active.

However, the liver's ability to do this is limited — which isn't so good. With very high single-serving doses of fructose, the fructose that arrives at the liver can easily be converted to fat. This is more prominent in clients with high blood lipids, insulin resistance, or Type II diabetes.

Now, blood levels of fructose aren't directly subject to tight hormonal regulation. This is one of the reasons fructose has a low glycemic response — which is often considered a positive.

On the negative side, while high intakes of fructose can lead to the synthesis of fat, it also fails to stimulate the production of leptin.

Since leptin is a hormone involved in the long-term regulation of energy balance, the decrease in leptin production associated with chronic high fructose intake can have harmful effects on the regulation of energy intake and body fat.

In other words, with HFCS, you never get those "I'm full" signals from the brain. So you keep eating.

Source

ProTrainerOnline.com

juggernaut · 06-20-2009, 11:52 AM

wtf? Two brains in da house!!!

**Built** · 06-20-2009, 12:25 PM

nkira, that was a GREAT post.

nkira · 06-20-2009, 12:30 PM

Thanks!

WillBrink · 06-20-2009, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hutchym8

last couple of weeks iv been smashing down cereal straight after my workouts (weetbix) is that good carbs to be eating straight after a workout.. also i been pumping honey on it.. iknow sugar is bad... honey bad aswel??
any gd advice on post workout carbs would b awsm

It's All In The Timing - Pre & Post Workout Nutrition
:: by Will Brink

Most people are aware that nutrient timing is as important as nutrient composition. In other words, it’s not just what you eat, but when you eat it that gives optimal results. As the man says, “Timing is everything.” Consuming the right foods at the right time can have positive effects on body composition: which means more muscle and less body fat.

Health-conscious people are told to avoid simple carbohydrates, and for good reasons. It’s not true all the time and in every situation, however. Following a heavy workout, there is a metabolic “window” - so to speak - where the body preferentially shuttles glucose into the liver and muscles to replace lost glycogen via both insulin-dependent and non-insulin-dependent transport mechanisms. Translated, this means your body will shuttle carbs and protein into the tissues you want (muscle) instead of storing them as fat after a workout.

To carry the analogy further, the metabolic window doesn’t stay open indefinitely, so you need to take advantage of the opportunity while it lasts.

A number of studies have found that a post-workout drink containing simple, high-GI carbs and protein increases protein synthesis dramatically. The two work synergistically to create an anabolic environment that’s superior to either nutrient alone. In addition, some recent work suggests that a pre-workout drink may be superior to a post-workout drink, and consuming both may be best of all!

Cont:

It's All In The Timing - Pre & Post Workout Nutrition

danzik17 · 06-20-2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkira

The liver is the major site of fructose metabolism. In the liver, fructose can be converted to glucose derivatives and stored as liver glycogen — which is good if you're physically active.

However, the liver's ability to do this is limited — which isn't so good. With very high single-serving doses of fructose, the fructose that arrives at the liver can easily be converted to fat. This is more prominent in clients with high blood lipids, insulin resistance, or Type II diabetes.

Now, blood levels of fructose aren't directly subject to tight hormonal regulation. This is one of the reasons fructose has a low glycemic response — which is often considered a positive.

On the negative side, while high intakes of fructose can lead to the synthesis of fat, it also fails to stimulate the production of leptin.

Since leptin is a hormone involved in the long-term regulation of energy balance, the decrease in leptin production associated with chronic high fructose intake can have harmful effects on the regulation of energy intake and body fat.

In other words, with HFCS, you never get those "I'm full" signals from the brain. So you keep eating.

Source

ProTrainerOnline.com

Good post - I never knew that fact about the relationship between leptin and fructose.

nkira · 06-21-2009, 12:58 AM

Relationship between leptin and fructose is new to me too.....

Now I know why to keep fruit consumption in check.

This is utmost important for people who are cutting or trying too loose weight (fat).

I tried searching IMF for understanding this but could not find something that gave reasonable explanation.....but I had google!

Jag · 06-21-2009, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkira

The liver is the major site of fructose metabolism. In the liver, fructose can be converted to glucose derivatives and stored as liver glycogen — which is good if you're physically active.

However, the liver's ability to do this is limited — which isn't so good. With very high single-serving doses of fructose, the fructose that arrives at the liver can easily be converted to fat. This is more prominent in clients with high blood lipids, insulin resistance, or Type II diabetes.

Now, blood levels of fructose aren't directly subject to tight hormonal regulation. This is one of the reasons fructose has a low glycemic response — which is often considered a positive.

On the negative side, while high intakes of fructose can lead to the synthesis of fat, it also fails to stimulate the production of leptin.

Since leptin is a hormone involved in the long-term regulation of energy balance, the decrease in leptin production associated with chronic high fructose intake can have harmful effects on the regulation of energy intake and body fat.

In other words, with HFCS, you never get those "I'm full" signals from the brain. So you keep eating.

Source

ProTrainerOnline.com

This has me reconsidering honey as a source of pre/post carbs due to its high fructose content.

powerlifter316 · 06-30-2009, 10:57 AM

Use the weight-gaining powerlifting method - Wendy's

No, really, whether or not you're trying to keep your food consumption super "clean," you really don't need to fret over what carbs you're getting PWO as long as it has some starch and possibly some sugar. I've made some excellent gains the past couple of years without every using a shake after training. I just go home, shower, and eat my biggest meal of the day, and I'll often give myself some leeway as far as choices go. Your cereal sounds just fine, but make sure to get some protein other than just the milk in there.

juggernaut · 06-30-2009, 11:59 AM

actually the Wendy's small chili is friggin incredible!

qwerty001 · 07-09-2009, 06:44 AM

do you guys have an example of natural foods high in glucose that can be eaten PWO besides dextrose and other supplements?

juggernaut · 07-09-2009, 08:05 AM

Let me google that for you

juggernaut · 07-09-2009, 08:07 AM

Couldnt resist...But seriously, why foods high in glucose? Depending on how well your body can assimilate carbs and the time of day you utilize these carbs, it may or may not be a good choice of foods.

06-14-2009, 01:27 AM	#1
Hutchym8 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Radelaide South Australia Posts: 10	the right post carbs last couple of weeks iv been smashing down cereal straight after my workouts (weetbix) is that good carbs to be eating straight after a workout.. also i been pumping honey on it.. iknow sugar is bad... honey bad aswel?? any gd advice on post workout carbs would b awsm

06-14-2009, 01:58 AM	#2
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	The cereal is fine, with milk even better. Get some dextrose to have on it - the honey's got the same problem as table sugar: fructose. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

06-14-2009, 07:23 AM	#3
Kevsworld Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 93	Sugary carbs are not so bad when you take them after your workouts. They help with glycogen resynthesis: Strong and Fit: Lose Fat, Build Muscle: Post Workout Shake Kevin StrongandFit.net

06-14-2009, 08:46 AM	#4
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	I like oats with some semi-sugary granola or even some Blueberries Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

06-14-2009, 06:03 PM	#7
DIVINITUS It's a deep burn... Join Date: May 2003 Location: Homebase somewhere in MA Posts: 182	i roll with water, a banana and whey, blended. Not sure if it's the "best" form of carbs pwo, but I like it, goes down quick and I'm ready eat 30-40 minutes later. "Can you please just shut the fuck up? You're blocking what could otherwise be a good thread discussion. No one cares about your shit " Juggernaut

06-14-2009, 04:49 PM	#6
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	Right now I am cutting with a PSMF, I add in macadamia nut oil with my pwo+creatine. I got this little trick from Dave Palumbo's site. No carbs. I dont miss it.

06-14-2009, 10:17 PM	#8
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	Yeah, whey makes me hungry, especially with fruit! Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

06-17-2009, 10:41 AM	#9
Core627 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 2	Usually get a protein shake with some dextrose and whey protein isolate, glutamine and creatine.

06-17-2009, 10:48 AM	#10
Kevsworld Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 93	The shake I mentioned would have some simple sugar and fructose. Fructose tends to refill liver glycogen while glucose tends to go to the muscles. Use both and you have a one-two punch for glycogen resynthesis. At least, that's my theory. Kevin StrongandFit.net

06-17-2009, 11:49 AM	#11
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	Are you depleted? Why are trying to refill liver glycogen?

06-17-2009, 02:19 PM	#12
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,742	I have always just had whey protein (40g protein) after my workouts and ate about one hour later, seemed to work fine for me...am i missing something? You've never lived untill you've almost died, life has an excitement that the protected will never know.

06-17-2009, 02:35 PM	#13
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	depends on how your body reacts to carbs, and what youre training for. Good question QG

06-20-2009, 02:34 AM	#15
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	It doesn't stimulate the much-desired insulin response, and it is preferentially taken up by liver glycogen. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

06-20-2009, 11:52 AM	#17
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	wtf? Two brains in da house!!!

06-20-2009, 12:25 PM	#18
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	nkira, that was a GREAT post. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

06-30-2009, 10:57 AM	#24
powerlifter316 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 21	Use the weight-gaining powerlifting method - Wendy's No, really, whether or not you're trying to keep your food consumption super "clean," you really don't need to fret over what carbs you're getting PWO as long as it has some starch and possibly some sugar. I've made some excellent gains the past couple of years without every using a shake after training. I just go home, shower, and eat my biggest meal of the day, and I'll often give myself some leeway as far as choices go. Your cereal sounds just fine, but make sure to get some protein other than just the milk in there.

06-30-2009, 11:59 AM	#25
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	actually the Wendy's small chili is friggin incredible!

07-09-2009, 06:44 AM	#26
qwerty001 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 3	do you guys have an example of natural foods high in glucose that can be eaten PWO besides dextrose and other supplements?

07-09-2009, 08:05 AM	#27
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	Let me google that for you

07-09-2009, 08:07 AM	#28
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	Couldnt resist...But seriously, why foods high in glucose? Depending on how well your body can assimilate carbs and the time of day you utilize these carbs, it may or may not be a good choice of foods.

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