Thread: Dairy Products

Well, I don't think you'd be staying at 5%...Most likely you'd lose cuts big time.

If I do this for 4 weeks how much BF do you think I will gain?

As far as how much BF gained that will depend on how many additional calories you consume over your maintenance levels...what are you calories and ratios now?....what are they under your new bulking diet?

As far as I am concerned I think eating dairyproducts is OK as long as you stick to the low fat sources...the only time I completely eliminate them is about a month to 6 weeks out from a show.

Most dairy is pretty loaded with carbs, since its for babies

As long as you don't drink "skin milk" you will be fine.

Don’t expect too much progress on a 4 week bulk…

Fit Freak My maitance deit at 5% BF was at approx 300 grams of protein and 200 grams of low gi carbs and about 2 pounds of green beans or broccoli. My bulking deit is approx 500 grams of protein and 150 grams of carbs. Of course there is more fat in this deit but all dairy prouducts are either non-fat or low fat. I used to eat 6 meals aday now I'm eating 5 bigger meals to slow down my metobolism. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance!

There is no need for 500g protein.

It'd be cheaper, and possibly more effective if you dropped the protein and upped the carbs.

Don't give me the whole 'carbs make you fat' shit either, cause if you're taking in more cals than you're burning you're gonna add fat whether you like it or not.

And from a leptin/muscle building point of view this is potentially a good thing.

And why do you go for low/non-fat stuff?

All the difference is, is upped cost and added sugar and processed crap. Ironically, it's probably more health effective to just buy the regular stuff - cheaper too, usually.


And to answer your original question, how your bf% will be effected is dependant on several factors, the most notable being the amount of overall calories taken in (from which, the amount of carbs won't make that much of a significant difference, unless you're taking in a helluva lot and 'spilling over' each day into fat cells [although this does boost leptin, potentially cancelling out the 'overspill', but this will only work to a degree - there is a limit. This is a hard concept for a lot of folks to grasp, i realise, but it makes sense, trust me]) and your metabolism.

All in all, the only real way to find out for sure is to just go for it and realise it yourself.

Sorry if that post came off as rude on my part. It wasn't intentional.

Tazman...in my opinion if you are trying to bulk you needto up you calories...this increase over maintenance levels should mainly come from carbs and fat. As far as protein goes you were already consuming more than enough before (300grams). Remember that carbs are protein sparing so as long as you are consuming enough calories you will not need the additional protein since you will not be using protein for energy as you may have been doing in earlier stages of your diet.

As for dairy products they are a great source of quality protein (complete proteins) as well as low glycemic carbs and calcium. Just wath out for the higher fat versions as the majority of fat found in "regular" dairy products is saturated.

One last question...based on the macros and calories in your maintenance diet were you doing any cardio...what was your fat level before...what about now in terms of fat intake, cardio, etc. Also, what is your BW and height. Knowing these things will help to make my suggestions more accurate.

I hope I can help...remember that you can bulk while staying lean...it just takes more effort!

TC, Thanks for your input. I didn't think it was rude.

Fit Freak, Cardio twice a week for 20 mins. (HIT) Fat intake before was approx. 30 grams aday. Height is 5'7" and weight is at 161 lbs @ 5% bf. Thank you in advance.

Tazman...I'd up the fat to around 60 grams...this will give you some extra calories and will also help to maintain elevated test levels...with fat that low (kinda sounds like the last week before a competition level) you will be supressing testosterone.

It's nice to see you're maintaining some cardio...good for overall fitness/health and it will also help you burn up some excess calories that may be turning to fat from the increase in calories.

BTW...what changes are you considering...are you increasing the carbs...what about the dairy...are you keeping it in your bulking diet...what are you thinking for total calories. I'm just curious since I think our stats are pretty similar. I'm about 172lbs around 8%...been gaining some weight since my last show in the spring and making nice progress staying relatively lean and adding LBM.

Cheers!

Forgot to mention our height is pretty cloe...I'm 5"6'...keep me posted...I'm curious to see how you're doing....

Fit Freak my daily intake is going to be around 3400 calories aday. There will be alot of read meat and dairy products . I'll keep you posted on any progress.

Sounds good...you should probably make some nice gains with that amount of calories...but say goodbye (oh well!) to the 5%.

Cheers

I hope to stay under 10% but will see. Thanks for your encouragement!

FitFreak, I'm up 14 pounds and my bodyfat is right around 6-7%. Strenght is increditable and muscles are good and full. Workouts are under 45 mins and cardio is being done 2 a week.

Congrats on the weight gain...and nice to see you BF is staying low...keep up the good work...as for myself...I'm up nother 10lbs...to about 182-184...unfortuately the BF has increased too...oh well...