Thread: Caffeine REDUX

*is drinking decaf*

Originally posted by w8lifter
*is drinking decaf*

And your ABS thank you!


DP

It also appears that coffee consumption is associated with increased estrogen levels, which means an increase in the risk of breast and endometrial cancer.

I wish he'd distinguish between coffee and caffeine....unless I missed it....does occur w/ decaff as well?

I haven't started w/decaf. The process normally used supposedly (according to Ann Louise Gittleman in the Fat Flush Diet) is very hard on the liver!

I think Mercola mentions "Swiss Process Decaf?"


DP

I use the swiss decaff

You're so smart w8!


DP

Epinephrine is one of the catecholmines and is lipolytic. It mobilises FFA, as you said.

Once mobilised they can be oxidised for energy.

ie epinephrine (adrenalin) can assist fat burning.

Anytime levels of FFA increase in the blood insulin sensitivity goes down.


Coffee isn't gonna stop you from getting leaner, unless you're drinking chronic amounts, maybe.

What happens to FFAs and Serum Glucose in an "Insulin reistant" person with an insulin surge?




DP

Well, exercise reduces insulin resistances and increases insulin sensitivity, so the chances of a training person being "insulin resistant" is slim.

I've seen a study that actually shows that the so called 'negatives' of coffee and caffiene are negated by training anyway.

Keep going TCD!! You are my only hope

Shut up Leslie, go EAT something...j/k

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Well, exercise reduces insulin resistances and increases insulin sensitivity, so the chances of a training person being "insulin resistant" is slim.

I've seen a study that actually shows that the so called 'negatives' of coffee and caffiene are negated by training anyway.

That's been my belief too for a long time....but empiracally we are now seeing "How little" it takes to set and IR person off. Some with just the "Sweet Taste" syndrome we have written about.

So you have avioded the answer, what happens to FFAs and Serum glucose in an IR person with an insulin surge?

BTW, 4 out of 5 people are IR! Exercise is no excuse (yes it does reduce, NOT NEGATE), extreme ectomorphy is!


DP

Originally posted by Dr. Pain
So you have avioded the answer, what happens to FFAs and Serum glucose in an IR person with an insulin surge?

Are you referring to a trained athlete or the average person who does not train?

Answer for each please, but you will find that more and more athletes and especially ordinary people who train, are both creating a "new population", a new generation so to speak, of varying degrees of IR and insulin sensitivity!

Add into the mix that "it" is highly age related, and that "the" age of IR occurrence is rapidly falling...and you'll see the future as I do in my thousands of customers/clients!


DP

So, how much caffeine does one have to consume to mobilize FFA?

Is the amount in green tea enough, because I love green tea, but hate coffee. Not to mention, green tea of course is good for you.

Fasting mobilizes FFAs and so does any amount of caffiene, more is better up to a point (green tea will work)....but that's not what we are talking about

DP

what happens to FFAs and Serum glucose in an IR person with an insulin surge?

I know

I am a little confused. As I understand, coffee/caffeine is not good if you eat carbs, because that's when insulin is produced for glucose disposal, and coffee would decrease insulin sensitivity/decrease glucose disposal. In people eating high carb diets this can lead increased risk to develop diabetes in addition to the detrimental effect of a high carb diet. but on days where you eat only 30g carbs daily total, as in the NHE eating plan, coffee would not be a problem, since it can only enghance fatburning. Am I correct??? Please, advise.

Originally posted by cytrix
I am a little confused. As I understand, coffee/caffeine is not good if you eat carbs, because that's when insulin is produced for glucose disposal, and coffee would decrease insulin sensitivity/decrease glucose disposal. In people eating high carb diets this can lead increased risk to develop diabetes in addition to the detrimental effect of a high carb diet. but on days where you eat only 30g carbs daily total, as in the NHE eating plan, coffee would not be a problem, since it can only enghance fatburning. Am I correct??? Please, advise.

Mostly true. We have a few posts on the effects of "sweet tastes", from artificail sweetners...diet pop, diet jello, chewing gum and the "like" causing an insulin reaction.

Then there is the matter of hepatic gluconeogenesis coverting proteins to glucose, thereby causing insulin surges.....and the question that each person must ask themselves:

At what level, and with what types of carbohydrates does my insulin secretion elevate substantially!

DP

DP or anyone who knows:

I just bought some diet jello today, to use with my NHE nutrition, because i miss eating fruit. the banana on carb ups just doesn't cut it for me is the aspartame in it, as well as diet pop, the problem? i don't use any aspartame besides in jello occasionally. i wish they would use splenda instead.

also, is it ok then to have a cup of coffee in the morning when on low carb as in NHE?

Don't worry, i'm not avoiding this thread and i haven't forgot about it.

I'm reading some stuff up, but i'll get back to ya.

thanx TCD, i just want to do everything as perfect as possible. i just started two days ago to cut out fruit on my carb ups, as you all say that fructose will make you look smooth and interferes with fatburning, as the liver makes glucose from the stored fructose it gets from fruit. is there no fructose in banana, of why is banana ok?

I read that as bananas ripen the fructose turns to glucose.

Originally posted by cytrix
thanx TCD, i just want to do everything as perfect as possible. i just started two days ago to cut out fruit on my carb ups, as you all say that fructose will make you look smooth and interferes with fatburning, as the liver makes glucose from the stored fructose it gets from fruit. is there no fructose in banana, of why is banana ok?

Yes...there is fructose in bananas. The banana is only part of the carb up, everything in the carb up meal is there for a reason...they all produce different insulin responses.