frozen fruit

QuestionGuy · 10-12-2009, 12:04 PM

Hey so my cutting diet is going pretty well, but I recently spoke to one of my "friends" (just some guy i've known at the gym for years) who is also a personal trainer....He used to be really fat untill he lost about 35 pounds and has been at about 8% bodyfat now for months (he is a user as am I) so he is doing something right......We didn;t really get into it so much but he told me that he doesnt eat any carbs..but then he also stated that he eats lots of vegies and fruit thruout the day but no other carbs...SO my question is, if you eat a lot of fruit doesnt that mean that do eat a lot of carbs because most fruit contains lots of carbs...now im sure he is not stuffing himself with bannanas all day but still.....

this this is going to be my experiment...Im going to cut out all carbs but green vegies and lots of frozen berries (the kind you buy at costco)..im gona eat veggies for most my meals and then also have a protein shake wiht a bannana once a day and greek yogurt wiht frozen mixed berries and see what happens.........does anyone have a better understaning on this subject??

ALSO, is there a big nutrutional and health difference from frozen fruit compared to fresh ? the frozen cariety packs are just easire to deal with and cheaper

m11 · 10-12-2009, 12:14 PM

Fruits and berries contain plenty of carbohydrates. Vegetables too, but for the most part, to a lesser extent. Feel free to check fitday.com for details.

For all intents and purposes, there is no nutritional or health difference between fresh or frozen fruit/berries. In fact, you are actually getting the freshest product if you buy frozen. The packaging company picks the product and flash freezes it upon ripening. The product stays in this ripened state for as long as it is frozen.

QuestionGuy · 10-12-2009, 01:03 PM

cool thanks so its not as complicated as i thought........so I should treat veggies and fruits just the same as I would any other carbs...for example if i eat 40 grams of carbs thru out the day It will count as carbs not as some form of "free food" that doesnt count like it was explained in Lyle Mcdonal's PSMF book.....i should still measure all my fruits and veggies and keep the carb content low..

m11 · 10-12-2009, 01:46 PM

Sort of.

This is the quote from The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook by Lyle McDonald:

"With the exception of peas, carrots and corn, and beets (the starchy vegetables which contain a lot of carbohydrates) which are off limits except in tiny amounts, you can (and should) eat basically an unlimited amount of vegetables."

The majority of the dark green and/or leafy vegetables contain very few calories. Tracking them isn't particularly necessary because you'd likely get rather full before you'd take in an appreciable amount of calories.

On the other hand, fruits and berries have an appreciable amount of carbohydrates in them. Specifically, fructose is the primary sugar. A little fructose here and there isn't a big deal, but you wouldn't want you primary carbohydrate/sugar source to be fructose.

But yes, treat the carbohydrates in fruits and starchy vegetables (peas, carrots etc) just like you would treat the sugar in a grain/starch/glucose polymer.

QuestionGuy · 10-12-2009, 02:32 PM

that great....but where the hell do people come of saying that they eat lots of fruits when they are 210 pounds at 8% bodyfat for months at a time.....lets say im not following Mcdonald's diet in any way but choose to follow my own diet wiht no carbs other than just fruits and veggies and ofcourse lots of lean protein...would that be advisable?

**calalily1972** · 10-12-2009, 03:24 PM

Berries have the lowest amount of carbs as far as fruit goes. Frozen are great with vanilla protein to make a smoothy.

m11 · 10-12-2009, 03:26 PM

It's a matter of calorie balance. If they eat at maintenance with adequate protein and fat, they'll stay at 8%.

There isn't an incredible amount of fructose in fruit anyway. Most servings of fruit have under 10g of fructose per 100g. For example, an apple has 6g of fructose per 100g whereas HFCS has anywhere from 45-90g fructose per 100g.

If you eat a pound of apples a day, thats still only about 30g of fructose. No big deal.

The issues come into play when you are taking in much higher amounts of fructose due to high sucrose and high HFCS intake. I'm not certain at what level of fructose intake you start having issues with insulin resistance and dyslipidemia, but if you eat how you described, you should have no problem

m11 · 10-12-2009, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calalily1972

Berries have the lowest amount of carbs as far as fruit goes.

And they have a ton of fiber and high water content --- good stuff for GI mobility and satiety.

**calalily1972** · 10-12-2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m11

And they have a ton of fiber and high water content --- good stuff for GI mobility and satiety.

And the tastiest fruit on the planet to boot!

suprfast · 10-12-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m11

Fruits and berries contain plenty of carbohydrates. Vegetables too, but for the most part, to a lesser extent. Feel free to check fitday.com for details.

For all intents and purposes, there is no nutritional or health difference between fresh or frozen fruit/berries. In fact, you are actually getting the freshest product if you buy frozen. The packaging company picks the product and flash freezes it upon ripening. The product stays in this ripened state for as long as it is frozen.

This is 100% true if you are careful. Most frozen fruit will have sugar added. Flip over a bag of frozen fruit(i cant see vegetables having sugar added) and it should read either Strawberries or Unsweetened Strawberries. If they added sugar it will say something along the lines of fructose or sugar added.

Sorry, just my findings after rummaging through the frozen fruit and veggies at the grocery store.

10-12-2009, 12:04 PM	#1
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,741	frozen fruit Hey so my cutting diet is going pretty well, but I recently spoke to one of my "friends" (just some guy i've known at the gym for years) who is also a personal trainer....He used to be really fat untill he lost about 35 pounds and has been at about 8% bodyfat now for months (he is a user as am I) so he is doing something right......We didn;t really get into it so much but he told me that he doesnt eat any carbs..but then he also stated that he eats lots of vegies and fruit thruout the day but no other carbs...SO my question is, if you eat a lot of fruit doesnt that mean that do eat a lot of carbs because most fruit contains lots of carbs...now im sure he is not stuffing himself with bannanas all day but still..... this this is going to be my experiment...Im going to cut out all carbs but green vegies and lots of frozen berries (the kind you buy at costco)..im gona eat veggies for most my meals and then also have a protein shake wiht a bannana once a day and greek yogurt wiht frozen mixed berries and see what happens.........does anyone have a better understaning on this subject?? ALSO, is there a big nutrutional and health difference from frozen fruit compared to fresh ? the frozen cariety packs are just easire to deal with and cheaper You've never lived untill you've almost died, life has an excitement that the protected will never know. Last edited by QuestionGuy : 10-12-2009 at 12:05 PM. Reason: l

10-12-2009, 12:14 PM	#2
m11 www.liftstrong.com Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: FL Posts: 857	Fruits and berries contain plenty of carbohydrates. Vegetables too, but for the most part, to a lesser extent. Feel free to check fitday.com for details. For all intents and purposes, there is no nutritional or health difference between fresh or frozen fruit/berries. In fact, you are actually getting the freshest product if you buy frozen. The packaging company picks the product and flash freezes it upon ripening. The product stays in this ripened state for as long as it is frozen. Getting Started by Built LG Sciences Board Representative These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, do not constitute medical advice, and are not official or authorized comments by LG Sciences, LLC.

10-12-2009, 01:03 PM	#3
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,741	cool thanks so its not as complicated as i thought........so I should treat veggies and fruits just the same as I would any other carbs...for example if i eat 40 grams of carbs thru out the day It will count as carbs not as some form of "free food" that doesnt count like it was explained in Lyle Mcdonal's PSMF book.....i should still measure all my fruits and veggies and keep the carb content low.. You've never lived untill you've almost died, life has an excitement that the protected will never know.

10-12-2009, 01:46 PM	#4
m11 www.liftstrong.com Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: FL Posts: 857	Sort of. This is the quote from The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook by Lyle McDonald: "With the exception of peas, carrots and corn, and beets (the starchy vegetables which contain a lot of carbohydrates) which are off limits except in tiny amounts, you can (and should) eat basically an unlimited amount of vegetables." The majority of the dark green and/or leafy vegetables contain very few calories. Tracking them isn't particularly necessary because you'd likely get rather full before you'd take in an appreciable amount of calories. On the other hand, fruits and berries have an appreciable amount of carbohydrates in them. Specifically, fructose is the primary sugar. A little fructose here and there isn't a big deal, but you wouldn't want you primary carbohydrate/sugar source to be fructose. But yes, treat the carbohydrates in fruits and starchy vegetables (peas, carrots etc) just like you would treat the sugar in a grain/starch/glucose polymer. Getting Started by Built LG Sciences Board Representative These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, do not constitute medical advice, and are not official or authorized comments by LG Sciences, LLC.

10-12-2009, 02:32 PM	#5
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,741	that great....but where the hell do people come of saying that they eat lots of fruits when they are 210 pounds at 8% bodyfat for months at a time.....lets say im not following Mcdonald's diet in any way but choose to follow my own diet wiht no carbs other than just fruits and veggies and ofcourse lots of lean protein...would that be advisable? You've never lived untill you've almost died, life has an excitement that the protected will never know.

10-12-2009, 03:24 PM	#6
calalily1972 Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,438 Photos: 1	Berries have the lowest amount of carbs as far as fruit goes. Frozen are great with vanilla protein to make a smoothy.

10-12-2009, 03:26 PM	#7
m11 www.liftstrong.com Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: FL Posts: 857	It's a matter of calorie balance. If they eat at maintenance with adequate protein and fat, they'll stay at 8%. There isn't an incredible amount of fructose in fruit anyway. Most servings of fruit have under 10g of fructose per 100g. For example, an apple has 6g of fructose per 100g whereas HFCS has anywhere from 45-90g fructose per 100g. If you eat a pound of apples a day, thats still only about 30g of fructose. No big deal. The issues come into play when you are taking in much higher amounts of fructose due to high sucrose and high HFCS intake. I'm not certain at what level of fructose intake you start having issues with insulin resistance and dyslipidemia, but if you eat how you described, you should have no problem Getting Started by Built LG Sciences Board Representative These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, do not constitute medical advice, and are not official or authorized comments by LG Sciences, LLC.

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