Struggle with cutting

Double D · 10-29-2009, 09:52 PM

I've always dropped bf the wrong way! Everytime I drop I lose a good amount of strength and size. I think to many times I look at the scale way to much. I currently weigh 220lbs (give or take). I have been weight training and working out since I was 12 years old (with weights that is). I figure I need around 2300-2500 calories to cut up. I have always kept my protein high. I have experimented alot and always do something wrong. I eat every 2-3 hours, and plan my meals very well. I have been reading the stickies like crazy. Obviously theres no certain diet that works for one certain person, but is there anything specific that has worked for you guys?

m11 · 10-29-2009, 10:13 PM

Built's "do it yourself diet" is very effective. It's a carb cycle, and it is outlined in the link in my signature.

Programs from Lyle McDonald like Ultimate Diet 2.0 and Rapid Fat Loss are effective as well.

jmorrison · 10-29-2009, 10:28 PM

I tried the PSMF and got wonderful results.

Pros: You will lose a ton of fat and keep most muscle.

Cons: You will have sexual fantasies about potatoes.

danzik17 · 10-29-2009, 10:53 PM

I don't want to just toss on more stuff, but I've also had good experiences with intermittent fasting.

Are you sure that you're tracking your calories close enough and that you're not undereating? What kind of training are you doing?

Double D · 10-29-2009, 11:00 PM

Right now my training is pretty much planned over training. But I havent begun a cut yet. I normally do 3-4 days a week. Normally either a push/pull/legs or an upper lower routine. Periodzation is always right on. Obviously I am doing something wrong with tracking calories....

I am kinda confused with the fasting...wouldnt that make me weak and force me to lose lbm?

jmorrison · 10-29-2009, 11:46 PM

IF is very short term fasting, from a few hours to a day or so depending, and has a lot of good research behind it.

m11 · 10-29-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

I am kinda confused with the fasting...wouldnt that make me weak and force me to lose lbm?

In short, no. Over time you will take in adequate nutrition, and you would schedule training around periods of time when you are fed.

I'd recommend Eat Stop Eat by Brad Pilon if you are interested in intermittent fasting. The website looks a bit goofy, but I'd recommend checking it out.

**P-funk** · 10-30-2009, 12:07 AM

Here is our podcast with Brad Pilon, all about intermittent fasting. It may help to answer some of your questions.

Podcast #3: Brad Pilon « Reality-Based Fitness

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danzik17 · 10-30-2009, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Right now my training is pretty much planned over training. But I havent begun a cut yet. I normally do 3-4 days a week. Normally either a push/pull/legs or an upper lower routine. Periodzation is always right on. Obviously I am doing something wrong with tracking calories....

I am kinda confused with the fasting...wouldnt that make me weak and force me to lose lbm?

Not from my experience. I fasted 2x a week (non-lifting days) which racked up somewhere in the neighborhood of a 4600 calorie deficit. My goal was only 1LB per week, so that gave me 1100 calories to have some fun with. I experienced just about no strength loss minus what happened due to my shoulder/hand injury, but that's just to be expected.

Probably one of my favorite parts about it is that it's just so damn simple. There's no calculations to be done, no worrying about under or overmeasuring something. "Don't eat for 24 hours. Done". I love it. That and I get all of my suffering done in two days so the rest of the time I can relax a little bit and not be concerned about a 2-300 calories here or there (that's what the 'extra' 1100 calorie deficit is for!)

Double D · 10-30-2009, 08:44 AM

Thanks guys alot of good reads.

So on the other days that your not fasting and you just eating around maintenance?

Double D · 10-30-2009, 09:09 AM

Heres what I am seeing with this. I know it is very simple, but just seems like there should be a catch.

Alright so here: 2 days of fasting. Thats basically it. So like a Monday then a Thursday? And is water allowed during this time? I searched a while and will continue to do more research on it. I actually just submitted this to a doctor that I work very closely with to see what he thinks about it. This is very intriguing to me.

danzik17 · 10-30-2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double D

Heres what I am seeing with this. I know it is very simple, but just seems like there should be a catch.

Alright so here: 2 days of fasting. Thats basically it. So like a Monday then a Thursday? And is water allowed during this time? I searched a while and will continue to do more research on it. I actually just submitted this to a doctor that I work very closely with to see what he thinks about it. This is very intriguing to me.

Drink as much water as you want.

**Merkaba** · 10-30-2009, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmorrison

I tried the PSMF and got wonderful results.

Pros: You will lose a ton of fat and keep most muscle.

Cons: You will have sexual fantasies about potatoes.

...Swear to god the first two times I did PSMF I dreamed about eating biscuits. Non-Scouts honor!

jmorrison · 10-30-2009, 07:36 PM

Mine was a dream about a waffle. I seriously had a dream that I was stuffing my face with a big ass belgian. I woke up, and was sad that I wasn't covered in syrup.

AKIRA · 10-30-2009, 07:49 PM

Fasting? Holy shit.

Arent you guys dizzy, pissed, and, well, in pain on those days you dont eat?!

m11 · 10-30-2009, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKIRA

Fasting? Holy shit.

Arent you guys dizzy, pissed, and, well, in pain on those days you dont eat?!

If you feel that you need to eat every 3 hours, it's not for you --- it's not for everyone. However, if you are fasting from 7pm-7pm, you are asleep for many of those fasting hours and you just tough out the rest.

For many, that 'roughing out' part isn't as bad as it may be for others and may actually be very comfortable.

hardBODmiranda · 11-08-2009, 12:49 AM

Thanks guys alot of good reads.

10-29-2009, 09:52 PM	#1
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,459 Photos: 1	Struggle with cutting I've always dropped bf the wrong way! Everytime I drop I lose a good amount of strength and size. I think to many times I look at the scale way to much. I currently weigh 220lbs (give or take). I have been weight training and working out since I was 12 years old (with weights that is). I figure I need around 2300-2500 calories to cut up. I have always kept my protein high. I have experimented alot and always do something wrong. I eat every 2-3 hours, and plan my meals very well. I have been reading the stickies like crazy. Obviously theres no certain diet that works for one certain person, but is there anything specific that has worked for you guys?

10-29-2009, 10:13 PM	#2
m11 www.liftstrong.com Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: FL Posts: 857	Built's "do it yourself diet" is very effective. It's a carb cycle, and it is outlined in the link in my signature. Programs from Lyle McDonald like Ultimate Diet 2.0 and Rapid Fat Loss are effective as well. Getting Started by Built LG Sciences Board Representative These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, do not constitute medical advice, and are not official or authorized comments by LG Sciences, LLC.

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danzik17 Gender: MALE Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 3,074	I don't want to just toss on more stuff, but I've also had good experiences with intermittent fasting. Are you sure that you're tracking your calories close enough and that you're not undereating? What kind of training are you doing? Ron Paul 2012 Journal: danzik17's Log - 4-6 Week Strength/Bulk Journal: Sub 10% by April <old>

10-29-2009, 11:46 PM	#6
jmorrison Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 325	IF is very short term fasting, from a few hours to a day or so depending, and has a lot of good research behind it. You should bang this chick like a mountain gorilla ~ ROID

10-30-2009, 12:07 AM	#8
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10-29-2009, 10:28 PM	#3
jmorrison Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 325	I tried the PSMF and got wonderful results. Pros: You will lose a ton of fat and keep most muscle. Cons: You will have sexual fantasies about potatoes. You should bang this chick like a mountain gorilla ~ ROID

10-29-2009, 11:00 PM	#5
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,459 Photos: 1	Right now my training is pretty much planned over training. But I havent begun a cut yet. I normally do 3-4 days a week. Normally either a push/pull/legs or an upper lower routine. Periodzation is always right on. Obviously I am doing something wrong with tracking calories.... I am kinda confused with the fasting...wouldnt that make me weak and force me to lose lbm?

10-30-2009, 08:44 AM	#10
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,459 Photos: 1	Thanks guys alot of good reads. So on the other days that your not fasting and you just eating around maintenance?

10-30-2009, 09:09 AM	#11
Double D Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,459 Photos: 1	Heres what I am seeing with this. I know it is very simple, but just seems like there should be a catch. Alright so here: 2 days of fasting. Thats basically it. So like a Monday then a Thursday? And is water allowed during this time? I searched a while and will continue to do more research on it. I actually just submitted this to a doctor that I work very closely with to see what he thinks about it. This is very intriguing to me.

10-30-2009, 07:36 PM	#14
jmorrison Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 325	Mine was a dream about a waffle. I seriously had a dream that I was stuffing my face with a big ass belgian. I woke up, and was sad that I wasn't covered in syrup. You should bang this chick like a mountain gorilla ~ ROID

10-30-2009, 07:49 PM	#15
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,789 Photos: 3	Fasting? Holy shit. Arent you guys dizzy, pissed, and, well, in pain on those days you dont eat?! 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

11-08-2009, 12:49 AM	#17
hardBODmiranda Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: California Posts: 12	Thanks guys alot of good reads.

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