Thread: Whey Protein

Im going to say thats to much of your protien from shakes if your trying to gain mass. The only 2 time i will drink a shake is first thing in the morning to break the fast before i eat, and immediately post workout. Half of your meals are shakes, depending on your goals right now is what will determine wether or not thats a good idea.

In terms of getting nutrients in, it doesn't matter. It terms of satiety, variety, etc. (personal stuff), then it's up to you. Some feel less full when they drink their calories and ultimately end up finding shakes to be too overwhelmingly bland. I'm a fan of shakes though, sometimes I don't have the opportunity to cook something fresh. I use ones that are very low in carbs and fat because I prefer to get those nutriets from solid food, I feel that getting them from a shake is a waste --- that's just preferential though.

Also, up your fish oil to ten grams. You want to end up with 3g total of EPA/DHA

Alright will do.. thanks

Your question about how much whey protein is ok i a day's time is a bit obscure. The amount you posted is about 90 grams. The other three meals don't give amounts of your meats, chicken etc so it is difficult to calculate what your total intake is. You don't give your composition of a shake. So we are left with nothing to go as far as dietary.

Also you don't give your age or weight or even you weight lifting activity which is more important as far as whey protein is concerned.

Whey protein is fast acting protein and should be utilized most importantly first thing in the morning and (depending on who you listen to) before and after training to get the amino acids into the muscle groups.

Older males (>50 say some, other say > 65) need more as it helps with muscle mass more than moderate (meat) or slow acting (casein). This has to do with the amount of testosterone in the system. The actual biochemistry (or at least what I can find on the subject) is not well documented, but the logic behind it makes sense.

But - in the absence of more detailed information about yourself and your diet - I assume you are 20-40 years of age and male. The amount of whey in your diet would not be as important as how much total protein and the timing of the shakes. As long as you start the morning and follow up your workouts with the whey I think you would be ok. Any excess will be cannibalized by the system as fuel so there is no danger their. I agree with lots of water and would probably use cranberry capsules to help the kidneys and liver with the excess protein that is partially metabolized.

I am not a doctor and do not even play one on t.v., but this is my experience and knowledge.

Well, I get over 200 grams of protein a day. I weigh about 180lbs ,and I am not bulking so i get plenty. But about 90 grams of my protein come from shakes ,and I was inquiring to see if that was bad. And sorry about not giving my specifics, over the last few days I have come quite familiar with the regulars here and they know my information. But anyways I'm 20, 180lbs, 6'3''.. And my routine is not necessary.. But thanks for assisting, m11 answered my primary question..

Originally Posted by dragonmaster

I agree with lots of water and would probably use cranberry capsules to help the kidneys and liver with the excess protein that is partially metabolized.

Just throwing in a few more pennies...

There's no need to supplement with anything to aid your organs --- the organ systems of healthy individuals (no hx of kidney/liver dysfunction) are capable of handling the 'high' intakes of protein that are typical of people like us.


The information that suggests that 'excess' protein can damage kidneys is usually based off of research that is done on individuals who already have problematic organ systems. As a result, it is inapplicable to healthy individuals.

Originally Posted by m11

Just throwing in a few more pennies...

There's no need to supplement with anything to aid your organs --- the organ systems of healthy individuals (no hx of kidney/liver dysfunction) are capable of handling the 'high' intakes of protein that are typical of people like us.


The information that suggests that 'excess' protein can damage kidneys is usually based off of research that is done on individuals who already have problematic organ systems. As a result, it is inapplicable to healthy individuals.

Duly Noted

wow i take way too many scoops

look for some shake recipes

Originally Posted by m11

Just throwing in a few more pennies...

There's no need to supplement with anything to aid your organs --- the organ systems of healthy individuals (no hx of kidney/liver dysfunction) are capable of handling the 'high' intakes of protein that are typical of people like us.


The information that suggests that 'excess' protein can damage kidneys is usually based off of research that is done on individuals who already have problematic organ systems. As a result, it is inapplicable to healthy individuals.

I agree with M11 to a point. inapplicable to healthy individuals. I can never assume that an individual is "healthy". I could always assume you have had complete blood workup with sed rates etc (ie: liver panel) to verify that you are healthy, but - no.

Looking healthy on the outside, strength and mass for the body-builder is essential, however we frequently have issues outside the gym and it doesn't take much to interfere with normal digestion and the internal organs.

Normally - even for healthy individuals - I would recommend the cranberry and I would also recommend a pro-biotic.

Does a "healthy" individual need them? Most could use pro-biotics even if they are on a perfect diet and have a perfect internal structure. That would be unless you have had no colds or other viruses, no antibiotics within the last 2 or 3 years and eat properly all the time. The same would go for the cranberry. Does a health person "need" them? No. However, the liver does not respond like most muscles so stressing it doesn't make it stronger.

Take what you wish. The amount of protein you get from shakes is not excessive and it doesn't appear that your total protein is excessive. Your diet appears to be healthy from what you have written and you may be in perfect health. I assume you don't drink alcohol, don't smoke or take drugs and you don't live in a metropolis where smog or other toxins may enter the body nor do you have any genetic factors that might affect absorption of nutrients. --- Normally, however, I would never make those assumptions.

^ I'm basically down with all that