Thread: Built, question

Why not do a 6 week bulk, 4 week cut cycle? Or even a 7/3? With your plan, the last week of dbol you will be cutting.. Dbol is wet as fuck, lol.

Rather than a maintaining period. Maintaining is for AFTER the cycle!

Cutting 5% BF is quite a bit for your planned 3 week "cut" period. ECA isn't THAT strong. Speaking of that, get some clen instead. Perhaps some ketotifen too, to run it longer.

As far as T3. Most advise to taper up and down. I have tapered and I have not. Not tapering didn't "shock" my thyroid. I run it for at least 4 weeks, sometimes longer. I know many people who run a small dose while bulking to help ward away any possible fat gains and then up the dosage when it comes time to cut.

Thanks for the response.

The timing of the bulk/cut is simply to mirror my at home time with my time at work. I do not have the optimal training opportunities because we only have a small gym onboard. Therefore I do my cut at work.

This is my first cycle, but I had been led to believe that while on test, along with T3 and ECA together that I would drop BF% pretty much whether I wanted to or not. I could definately go longer on the bulk, and I dont mind the water gains, I realize that this is not a pretty boy cycle, but I still want to keep the fat gains as absolutely minimal as possible, and would far prefer to cut some more fat off, regardless of what the scales say.

I would prefer to stay away from clen. I do not tolerate stims well, and the ECA stack alone gets me as revved up as a crackhead. Hell if I drink 2 cups of coffee you would think that I was doing lines.

Thank you so much for the info on the T3, this shit is a mystery to me to be honest. If you ask 5 people about it you get 5 answers. So in your experience, if you were following a 3 week bulk, 3 week cut plan (because you had to, not because you thought it was a super awesome idea) what would your dosing look like?

As an aside, last year during a natural cut, I lost 14 lbs, almost all of which was fat during a 3 week PSMF. I was miserable, hungry, and hated everyone around me, but it DOES work, and my 5% is only around 10 lbs, so I would hope that on gear and T3 that I could do it Just hoping Built will chime in on whether a PSMF would be a decent idea, or the worst thing imaginable.

Thanks again man.

I'm a fan of using T3 during any cycle - bulking it enhances protein synthesis and partitioning. For bulking, a friend whose opinion I trust uses 25mcg.

So, I'd go with the modest increase in cals on the bulk weeks, with 25mcg of T3, then cut fairly hard on the cut weeks, with more T3.
How much more, I defer to those with more experience.

You could consider trying PSMF for those weeks if you wish - particularly in the beginning while you're "juicier" - or just a fairly substantial deficit. I have not yet tried clen and ketotifen, but I'd like to and Tyler's suggestion of using that sub for ECA sounds effective.

What kind of training are you planning for the "bulk" and the "cut" phases?

Thanks Built.

I was planning on going with a periodized program that Phineas and I put together that worked well for me last year, but I have also considered giving your BGB a try. I have heard a lot of good things about it.

The cut phases to be honest, if I was to try a PSMF, I would just be doing 3-4 FBW's a week, and trying to keep the weight on the bar. The one last year killed me energy wise. I dont know if that would be different on gear or not.

PSMF is two FBW a week. TWO. Not three, not four. TWO. LOL!

What part or parts are you trying to bring up - any, or just overall mass?

I would love to bring up my chest and my lats. I used to think I had a big chest. Turns out that they were mainly man-boobies.

Would I stick with 2 FBW's on gear? I wasn't sure with the increased recovery time. Hell, is it even a good idea to PSMF at all, or should I just run a nasty big deficit?

Guide me O' Wise woman.

By the book PSMF on gear is perfect. Toss in T3/eca/what have you.

You could do block training for the three bulking weeks - three days training, one off.

Day 1
5x5 weighted chins
3x8 unweighted chins
2-3x12 single-arm lat pulldowns
5x5 bb bench
3x8 db bench
2-3x12 dips

Day 2
3x5 weighted chins
2-3x8 unweighted chins
3x5 bb bench
2-3x8 db bench

Day 3
"everything else at maintenance"
3x5-8 squats, deads, rows, cleans, millies, arms, calves, abs

Day 4 - REST

Repeat over three weeks.

Then do PSMF on the "off" weeks.

How does that sound?

That sounds like a plan!

This will be my first adventure into block training, so it should be interesting.

As far as calories are concerned, since my maintenance is around 2600, then 3500-4000 while on bulk weeks and 1400-1800 on PSMF weeks? Thats sort of what I had planned, but wasnt sure about the bulk cals, if they were too high for a lean bulk.

Oh, and buried in my last post. With the improved recovery, still stick with 2 FBW's on PSMF, or you think I could sneak it to 3? Or just wait to see how I feel?

I train every third day on PSMF. You could try that if you like.

I alternate between these two:

PSMF workout 1
Cleans/Push press 3 x 5-8
Chins 3 x 5-8
Squats 3 x 5-8

PSMF workout 2
Bench 3 x 5-8
Deads 3 x 5-8
T-bars 3 x 5-8

Originally Posted by Built

By the book PSMF on gear is perfect. Toss in T3/eca/what have you.

You could do block training for the three bulking weeks - three days training, one off.

Day 1
5x5 weighted chins
3x8 unweighted chins
2-3x12 single-arm lat pulldowns
5x5 bb bench
3x8 db bench
2-3x12 dips

Day 2
3x5 weighted chins
2-3x8 unweighted chins
3x5 bb bench
2-3x8 db bench

Day 3
"everything else at maintenance"
3x5-8 squats, deads, rows, cleans, millies, arms, calves, abs

Day 4 - REST

Repeat over three weeks.

Then do PSMF on the "off" weeks.

How does that sound?

I second this. I tried Built's block training at the beginning of the year and saw amazing gains.