Thread: Milk good for you?

If you supplement with calcium you wont need the milk. I am using milk right now, but it does have alot of carbs (they add up fast), and supposedly doesnt digest well when used with other foods, I don't seem to have a problem with it so far as I can tell, I've been a heavy milk drinker my whole life. It also contains lactose which is a sugar.

I usually have 1%, sometimes 2%, sometimes non fat, take a look at the rest of your diet and see how it fits in. 4% tastes nasty to me now, even though it was the other way around when low fat was "new".

if you're cutting you would not want the extra sugar (milk contains lactose which is sugar).

Originally posted by Akash
Hi I have a question. Alot of people have said milk is actually bad for you when cutting.

It's only bad in the sense that you'll prolly end up eating more calories than you think.

if I were cutting the extra sugar would be my concern.

I agree.

It'll prolly cause cravings and if you break diet, you'll eat more calories overall.

Other than that, you can drop fat and get to low bf% with milk.

Lyle McDonald got down to 7% bf drinking milk and eating 2 macDonald's happy meals a day last year. Purely because he included them in his daily calorie totals.

(Maybe not everyday, but most days at least, i believe).

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Lyle McDonald got down to 7% bf drinking milk and eating 2 macDonald's happy meals a day last year.

LMAO!

now that's a healthy meal!

Haha, yeah i know.

I don't think that was all he ate, but his diet definately consisted of those items.

I'll do a quick search and see if i can find anything he's written about it.

I guess he did it for the toys...

Nothing to think about and I was being serious.

I went to the McDonald's fast food restaurant that is roughly 2 miles
south of my house, got 2 standard hamburgers (260 cal apiece) every day
for a meal while I was dieting last summer to ~7% bodyfat.

Lyle

why would he eat such "food"?

When I dieted to 7% last year, I ate at McDonalds daily.

Lyle



Nothing to think about and I was being serious.

I went to the McDonald's fast food restaurant that is roughly 2 miles
south of my house, got 2 standard hamburgers (260 cal apiece) every day
for a meal while I was dieting last summer to ~7% bodyfat.

Lyle


> seriously? did you do anything special (e.g. no mayo on the burgers, no
> fries)?

I ate less and exercised a bit more, that's what I did special.

>what else were you eating?

Food. Just like I always do.

Lyle

Originally posted by Prince
why would he eat such "food"?

Because he likes them.

Remember, a good diet is one you can stick to.

Yogurt and cheese are both going to contain lactose (milk sugar) as
well. Not as much as milk and there are other reasons they don't tend
to cause as much stomach upset as other foods (yogurt has active
cultures that help with digestion).

> I have to drop at least 5 lbs.

A function of calories, not whether you're drinking milk or not, despite
what has been written in many amusing bodybuilding books.

When I got to ~7% bodyfat last year, I was drinking milk every day of
the week. Still am.
I like milk, just not as much as I like monkeys.

Lyle

the body doesn't magically make fat because you eat KK vs. potatoes
despite what most bodybuffers believe.

It's all about calories. Well, 99% of it anyhow. Food quality can have
a marginal effect.

The times that you can be losing muscel and gaining fat are usually
severe pathologies and situations where muscle catabolism is cranked way
up (cancer, shit like that). Sever muscular insulin resistance can make
it happen because calories are shunted away from muscle to fat.

Elzi could comment on this as it happened to her: she has some
congenital insulin resistance, she wasn't able to train because of her
injury and she was losing muscle and getting fat at the same time.

But assuming no underlying pathology, anyone who tells you that food
quality will magically make you gain fat while in a claoric deficit
needs to read a little human physiology. Or hydrolyze themselves for protein.

Lyle

You haven't been reading anything i've written in the last 4 months have you?
I will contend that, given sufficent protein and EFA's, you can get
ripped on table sugar.

Appetite will be the determining factor.
Because 80% of the variance in what you lose (bodyfat vs. muscle) is NOT
determined by diet, it's determined by your body. Once you meet certain
requirements (protein, EFA, calories, weight training), the rest of your
diet means nothing outside of it's ability to meete appetite and
psychological needs (and exercise prformance).

> If you are still gonna cut fat
> because of the deficit, why not go ahead and have a bowl of Golden Grahams
> for breakfast, chicken fajitas with cheese and sour cream, KK's, etc. once
> in a while?
>
Because it makes it harder to control calories because of appetite issues.
That's it.

> Keep in mind, I'm being theoretical. Anyone who knows me at all knows that
> my diet is something I'm quite strict about, but the question remains: is it
> possible to eat junkfoods in a so-called "cutting phase" as long as the
> calories are painstakingly considered and kept at a 500-1000 a day deficit?

I believe so, as long as appetite can be controlled.

Lyle

This shit is great:


People bitch at me all the time for eating bread and milk on a diet,
because they aren't acceptable bodybuilding diet foods.

What-fucking-ever. I'm not a psychological basket case like most bodybuilders.
I like bread, I like milk, I eat McDonald's hamburgers when I'm dieting
if I want to. If I'm happy with my diet food choices, I am more likely
to stick to it. Eating potatoes and broccoli all day would make it so I
hated my diet and broke it.

Fuck, during my refeed yesterday I combined a Met-Rx bar with Sunny
Delight and a bag of jelly beans. It's just carbs, makes no fucking difference.

As long as calories are controlled, it makes less than a shit's worth of
different (nb: maybe when you get to sub 5% it might) where the calories
come from. Unless choosing different foods makes it tougher to control appetite.

Still hit 7% last year that way, and plan to go lower this year doing
that the entire time.

But most bodybuilding diet information is voodoo bullshit anyhow (take
out milk here, no beans after this point, what-fucking-ever).

I'm going to change that within two year's time. But nobody will listen
because bodybuilders would rather listen to idiot voodoo that fulfills
their psychological deficits than listen to reason.

I should know, I used to be that way too. But I got better.

Lyle

Has his "diet" worked for anyone besides himself?

I don't think it's a diet he recommends as such, just a diet that he used with success, and now states to prove a point.

well, if no one else has used this diet with success, then it proves nothing IMO.

Originally posted by Prince
well, if no one else has used this diet with success, then it proves nothing IMO.

Given, it's probably not ideal for a bodybuilder who is trying to conserve muscle tissue, and i've no doubt it will result in un-favourable training sessions, and i know for a fact I'd get cravings from hell and back, but i do still think it proves a very valid point.

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
...but i do still think it proves a very valid point.

what does it prove? that you can eat like shit as long as you remain in a caloric deficient state?

The Fast Food Diet

Originally posted by Prince


what does it prove? that you can eat like shit as long as you remain in a caloric deficient state?

Of course, the diet isn't the healthiest, judging on the partially hydrogenated and trans-fat content of Maccy D's and the sugariness (is that a word?) of the bread used. Or the cow eye balls used to keep the meat moist. Or the old tramp's boot that provides the texture. Or the apple core found in the trash for crunch. Or the tail of the three-fined fish that provides that meaty taste.

But the point is that that calories are the determining factor, no matter how you care to play around with hormones like insulin and hGH.

Albeit, at lower bodyfat levels when you're tinkering below your setpoint, these do play a larger role (when it comes to stubborn fat etc.. insulin can be a bitch), but for the most part, focus on the calories.

I imagine Lyle, during the diet, had already seen to his daily protein and EFA counts and so just fitted the Mc D's and milk in with his remaining calories. If you can control the cravings you can still achieve.

Originally posted by Mudge
The Fast Food Diet

Nah, that's when you're drunk in a club and no matter how hard you try, you just can't keep a hold of the women.

~ahem~

I never get that problem though.

~ahem~

*cough cough*

Originally posted by Prince


what does it prove? that you can eat like shit as long as you remain in a caloric deficient state?

Exactly!

Chicken Baby is starting to sound like a "sugar plum fairy"

Originally posted by w8lifter


Exactly!

Chicken Baby is starting to sound like a "sugar plum fairy"

Argh!

I've already told you i don't advocate it and don't think it's healthy or suitable for people trying to cut fat while preserving muscle or for people who find cravings a problem, but it's still a valid method of dieting down.

Just like GVT for some people is a perfectly acceptable method for training, it's just a bit far fetched.

And yet you feel the need to put that in your sig....why? ....so the less informed can get ripped on table sugar?

Haha, nah. I just think lyle is fucking hilarious.

Watch this space. I'm gonna change it soon with a more recent quote. You'll fucking love it.

No, really.