Thread: I don't like meat

I think it will work fine. Maybe try to eat some fish. I'm sure you're taking fish oils right?

Jesus christ, 10 extra large eggs? I would hate to be your girlfriend! Perhaps some nuts too? I dunno, might add a little variation.

Originally Posted by Muscle_Girl

Jesus christ, 10 extra large eggs? I would hate to be your girlfriend! Perhaps some nuts too? I dunno, might add a little variation.

The funny thing is that I enjoy cooking and cook often for other people. I experiment with new recipes a lot.

But to do all that for myself is kind of pointless. Plus, eggs are cheap.

Edit: Yeah, I take fish oils daily.

Yea, but I am concerned about the digestion part, probably make someone pass out if they went in the washroom after you, or if you pulled the covers over someones head.. wow.

Originally Posted by Muscle_Girl

Yea, but I am concerned about the digestion part, probably make someone pass out if they went in the washroom after you, or if you pulled the covers over someones head.. wow.

Somebody give you a Dutch Oven?

No, but I can damn well imagine what 10 eggs would do!

Originally Posted by Muscle_Girl

No, but I can damn well imagine what 10 eggs would do!

Ahhh, you don't know what you're missing

From all the information I have seen, eggs are better than beef, pork, and chicken anyway as long as you can manage the macros. Sure is a lot of fat in that many eggs.

I am an egg fan myself. After hitting the wall on my diet I added calories to break out of it. I just just ate my special KelJu's egg surprise.

3 eggs, 2 servings of egg beaters, 1/2 cup shredded cheese, 1/2 cup pace picante sauce, and 2 cups steamed broccoli. Bake all of that in the oven for 10 minutes on broil. Best shit I ever ate!

eggs are the most complete protein of any other single protein available. If that is what you enjoy, eat up! Looking at your diet though....you need veggies, and lots of em

KJ, and others, here is a recipe for you if you like eggs: brush a cast iron pan with olive oil (if you don't have a cast iron pan then add 2tsp. of olive oil in the pan and follow the non oven receipe).

Slice up a red bliss or new potato thin; layer it in the bottom of the pan (regular or cast iron). Put baby spinach as the next layer. Put it on the stove top on medium for about 5 mins. Preheat your stove top first though. Scramble about 4 eggs and pour on top of the mixture and wait until you hear the potato's sizzling. Add a thin layer of cheese on the top. If you do not have a cast iron pan, put the cover on and put it on very low for 25 mins. If you have a cast iron pan, before you start, pre-heat the oven to 325 degrees. Once your hear the potatoes starting to sizzle then put it in the oven for 15 mins. Let it cool down for 5 mins, slice and serve.

Yummy Potato, spinach, Frittata!

I love spices so I usually add a little bit of sea salt and pepper, sage and oregano to the eggs.

Originally Posted by KelJu

From all the information I have seen, eggs are better than beef, pork, and chicken anyway as long as you can manage the macros. Sure is a lot of fat in that many eggs.

I am an egg fan myself. After hitting the wall on my diet I added calories to break out of it. I just just ate my special KelJu's egg surprise.

3 eggs, 2 servings of egg beaters, 1/2 cup shredded cheese, 1/2 cup pace picante sauce, and 2 cups steamed broccoli. Bake all of that in the oven for 10 minutes on broil. Best shit I ever ate!

I just came all over the ceiling.

Originally Posted by Jodi

eggs are the most complete protein of any other single protein available. If that is what you enjoy, eat up! Looking at your diet though....you need veggies, and lots of em

I agree that eggs are the optimal protein source. Their bioavailability is something like 98% -- the highest of all protein sources. Plus, they're loaded with monounsaturated fat and HDL cholesterol -- which converts LDL cholesterol into testosterone.

The only potential problem I can see in this is the high saturated fat you'll be taking in. I'm not familiar with the fat content of an extra-large egg; I eat large eggs. One of those has 2g saturated fat, so 10 eggs would be 20g, which actually isn't bad. I imagine 10 extra large eggs would provide 30-35g saturated, which is also fine. As long as you're not eating anything oddly high in saturated fat you're fine. PB has some, but not much. I eat about 32g saturated fat a day, but take in 90g mono and 35g poly so it's pretty balanced. If you're supplementing with fish oil as well you'll be covering your mono and poly very nicely. Also, I suppose with the exclusion of red meats your saturated fat intake just dropped quite a bit.

This is an interesting idea. What do you eat for veges and grains? What are your total calories and macros? I imagine the diet you posted was only your primary protein/fat sources? I can't imagine a bulking diet with 67g carbs, all of which is lactose.

I'm not too worried about saturated fat. Eggs have some and so does peanut butter, but those are probably the only sources of saturated fat I'll be eating.

For veggies I really like raw spinach. I don't eat many grains though, not sure if that is OK.

Originally Posted by gtbmed

I'm not too worried about saturated fat. Eggs have some and so does peanut butter, but those are probably the only sources of saturated fat I'll be eating.

For veggies I really like raw spinach. I don't eat many grains though, not sure if that is OK.

The macros you listed give a daily calorie total of 2,300. That's very low for a bulk. I cut at 2,600-2,800. Just seems like an odd approach to bulking. How are you going to provide enough energy without carbs, let alone running such low calories?

I figured ~15 cals/lb. of LBM would be good for bulking. Let me know if that's wrong because I've never really done a dedicated bulk before. I usually just eat an amount close to my maintenance.

Originally Posted by gtbmed

I figured ~15 cals/lb. of LBM would be good for bulking. Let me know if that's wrong because I've never really done a dedicated bulk before. I usually just eat an amount close to my maintenance.

How much do you weigh? What's your maintenance?

Originally Posted by Phineas

I just came all over the ceiling.



I agree that eggs are the optimal protein source. Their bioavailability is something like 98% -- the highest of all protein sources. Plus, they're loaded with monounsaturated fat and HDL cholesterol -- which converts LDL cholesterol into testosterone.

The only potential problem I can see in this is the high saturated fat you'll be taking in. I'm not familiar with the fat content of an extra-large egg; I eat large eggs. One of those has 2g saturated fat, so 10 eggs would be 20g, which actually isn't bad. I imagine 10 extra large eggs would provide 30-35g saturated, which is also fine. As long as you're not eating anything oddly high in saturated fat you're fine. PB has some, but not much. I eat about 32g saturated fat a day, but take in 90g mono and 35g poly so it's pretty balanced. If you're supplementing with fish oil as well you'll be covering your mono and poly very nicely. Also, I suppose with the exclusion of red meats your saturated fat intake just dropped quite a bit.

Dietary fats and cholesterol have little effect on blood cholesterol levels unless you are predisposed. Sat fats have such a bad rap. Each egg actually only has 1.5 grams of saturated fat out of the entire 5g of fat that an egg has. That is so minor an even at 10 eggs a day.

Originally Posted by Jodi

Dietary fats and cholesterol have little effect on blood cholesterol levels unless you are predisposed. Sat fats have such a bad rap. Each egg actually only has 1.5 grams of saturated fat out of the entire 5g of fat that an egg has. That is so minor an even at 10 eggs a day.

A large eggs has 2g saturated. He's talking about x-large. And yes, I said this wouldn't be an issue so long as he doesn't take in any foods really high in saturated, which I'm sure won't be an issue with no meat in the diet.

Hmm, I always read HDL helped clear LDL? Is there a difference between "blood cholesterol" and "cholesterol"?

Also, I know saturated has its role for the heart/stress/testosterone. I eat about 30g a day. However, I just like to throw a warning out there to people to not overdo it, or to at least ensure they have sufficient poly and especially mono.

Sorry, I don't think I explained it all right. Dietary cholesterol has little effect on blood cholesterol levels unless you are already susceptible for high cholesterol.

Blood cholesterol, also called serum cholesterol, is produced in the liver and floats around in our bloodstream. Blood cholesterol is High-Density Lipoprotein (HDL), and Low-Density Lipoprotein (LDL). Dietary cholesterol is the cholesterol in the foods we eat.

Eggs contain mostly polyunsaturated fat, which can actually lower blood cholesterol. I've found sites that say 1.5g of sat fat per large egg, others say 1 and others say 2. Either way the amount, IMO, is minuscule. Plus with it being the purest form of protein available, how can you go wrong

Originally Posted by Jodi

Sorry, I don't think I explained it all right. Dietary cholesterol has little effect on blood cholesterol levels unless you are already susceptible for high cholesterol.

Blood cholesterol, also called serum cholesterol, is produced in the liver and floats around in our bloodstream. Blood cholesterol is High-Density Lipoprotein (HDL), and Low-Density Lipoprotein (LDL). Dietary cholesterol is the cholesterol in the foods we eat.

Eggs contain mostly polyunsaturated fat, which can actually lower blood cholesterol. I've found sites that say 1.5g of sat fat per large egg, others say 1 and others say 2. Either way the amount, IMO, is minuscule. Plus with it being the purest form of protein available, how can you go wrong

Interesting. Thanks for the info!

So, if dietary cholesterol has little effect on blood cholesterol then what is all the huff about foods high in cholesterol? I know that the cholesterol in eggs are said to be beneficial, but what about fatty deep-fried foods, for instance? Assuming an individual isn't predisoposed to high-cholesterol levels than how would LDL develop in the blood stream? If dietary cholesterol doesn't affect the blood then what exactly is its role? I've heard it has a part in the production of testosterone. Is this true of all dietary cholesterol?

Also, based on the labels I've read a standard large egg (70g) typically consists of:

-90 calories
-5g fat
-2g saturated
-1g poly
-2g mono
-6g protein
-around 80mg cholesterol

In searching around the internet however, I find many sites with completely different numbers. It can be difficul to find consistency in nutrition labels/analyses!

Cholesterol is a fat and it can't dissolve in the bloodstream. LDL is one of the lipoproteins created in the liver to carry cholesterol through the body via the bloodstream. So basically our liver creates the lipoproteins.

Yes, cholesterol is very important part of creating testosterone. Ironically though, high cholesterol lowers testosterone levels lol.

I don't think saturated fat will be too big of a problem. Like you said, I'm not eating other significant sources of sat. fat.

Anyway, I think I undershot on my calories a bit when I came up with the original idea. I might add another protein shake because I'm feeling satiated with the food I'm currently eating.

Originally Posted by Jodi

Dietary fats and cholesterol have little effect on blood cholesterol levels unless you are predisposed. Sat fats have such a bad rap. Each egg actually only has 1.5 grams of saturated fat out of the entire 5g of fat that an egg has. That is so minor an even at 10 eggs a day.

By the way I need to change this statement. Dietary fats DO effect blood cholesterol. Dietary cholesterol doesn't.

Originally Posted by gtbmed

I don't think saturated fat will be too big of a problem. Like you said, I'm not eating other significant sources of sat. fat.

Anyway, I think I undershot on my calories a bit when I came up with the original idea. I might add another protein shake because I'm feeling satiated with the food I'm currently eating.

I think you are just fine with the sat fats too.

You need more veggies though

Originally Posted by gtbmed

The past few years, my appetite for meat has declined. I just don't like eating meat much anymore. Is a diet with eggs, milk, and whey enough to make up for it? I also like beans/lentils which can be decent protein sources.

Would this diet work? Current trying to bulk a bit.

Weight: 178lbs.
BF: 15%

10 extra large eggs
3 tbsp. olive oil
2 servings of whey protein
3 cups skim milk
2 tbsp. natural peanut butter

170g protein, 150g fat, 67g carbs

flame away

Instead of peanut butter, try Quinoa. it has less cal from fat and has way more nutrients and essential amino acids . I am 90% vegetarian. Instead of drinking cows milk try goats milk.

Originally Posted by SUPERFLY1234

Instead of peanut butter, try Quinoa. it has less cal from fat and has way more nutrients and essential amino acids . I am 90% vegetarian. Instead of drinking cows milk try goats milk.

I agree that Quinoa is a useful food, but how is it an alternative to PB? They're two completely different nutrient sources. Besides, what's wrong with PB? It's a bodybuilding diet staple.

Why would I care whether the cals come from fat or not?

2 tbsp. of peanut butter isn't a significant source of calories anyway.

I love PB, but as in protein and nutrient, it does not have enough. i prefer eating beans, almonds instead.

When you say meat, do you just mean the big two (beef and poultry)? What about fish?

Originally Posted by danzik17

When you say meat, do you just mean the big two (beef and poultry)? What about fish?

I'm OK with fish, but I don't really like to cook it myself. I do supplement with fish oils everyday.