Thread: vegans

they dont like animals to be killed

Originally Posted by sara

they dont like animals to be killed

Isn't more than that? I thought vegans didn't eat any animal products, even if the animals weren't killed in the process.

I think it has to do with cruelty to animals. Even if the animal is not killed, many vegans see the harvesting of animal products as cruel and immoral.

Was a little strange when I was looking for an apartment last month, and I came across an advertisement specifically just for someone who was vegan (to be a roommate). I found it a little strange that they required the person to be vegan, is it simply a choice, or is there a common set of guidelines which vegans abide by? The advertisement was clearly discriminatory, but, is it semi-justified?

Originally Posted by MDR

I think it has to do with cruelty to animals. Even if the animal is not killed, many vegans see the harvesting of animal products as cruel and immoral.

Absolutely. Milking a cow doesn't hurt it. It's the treatment of the animal that pisses off the vegans.

as hard as training is at a hig level, i often wonder why one would turn to being a vegan, missing out on top quality protein.

In addition to the protein issue are high carb intake and the absence of B-12 and EPA/DHA. B-12 you can take as shots or tablets, but EPA/DHA without fish means algae oil, and that's expen$ive.

I could definitely do the vegetarian thing, but I could never cut milk and eggs out of my diet.

But most vegans diet that way because fighting animal cruelty is a cause they believe in. I'm not a zealous member of that fight so I don't have to inconvenience myself that way.

Originally Posted by MDR

I think it has to do with cruelty to animals. Even if the animal is not killed, many vegans see the harvesting of animal products as cruel and immoral.

That's what it is. My wife and I have been vegetarians for over 8 years. I now added fish to my diet for multiple reasons so I am not technically a vegetarian anymore. When people ask me why I was/am a vegetarian, I simply tell them that I wouldn't eat my dog and I don't see a difference between a dog and any other mammal. I used to get people telling me that bodybuilding and vegetarians don't mix, but I don't get that anymore. I have respect for the people that truly know how and where their meat comes from and still eat it; it's the people that don't want to know that bother me...

I couldn't do the vegan diet, love steak to much!

Originally Posted by 200+

That's what it is. My wife and I have been vegetarians for over 8 years. I now added fish to my diet for multiple reasons so I am not technically a vegetarian anymore. When people ask me why I was/am a vegetarian, I simply tell them that I wouldn't eat my dog and I don't see a difference between a dog and any other mammal. I used to get people telling me that bodybuilding and vegetarians don't mix, but I don't get that anymore. I have respect for the people that truly know how and where their meat comes from and still eat it; it's the people that don't want to know that bother me...

There have been a number of great bodybuilders who followed vegetarian diets. It complicates things a bit, but it is by no means impossible. Bill Pearl built a very impressive physique, and I believe he followed a vegetarian diet.

Originally Posted by MDR

There have been a number of great bodybuilders who followed vegetarian diets. It complicates things a bit, but it is by no means impossible. Bill Pearl built a very impressive physique, and I believe he followed a vegetarian diet.

That he did! If I remember correctly I believe he wasn't a vegetarian from the beginning but rather some time later in his career ...

Yep, Pearl's a veggie, but he's not a vegan and he began his career eating meat.

Originally Posted by stepaukas

just curious as to why people choose to be vegans. espically athletes.

I can't speak for all vegans but I actually know a couple, they say its for their health...

In a some what related field, I do know of a vegan bodybuilder named Robert Cheeke who just came out with a new book that is supposed to be good for vegans. Also I have a book called Raw Power that is about raw food body building that is pretty interesting.

Originally Posted by Built

Yep, Pearl's a veggie, but he's not a vegan and he began his career eating meat.

Interesting. I thought it was something like that. I would think the vegan deal would be even tougher. Throws a lot more complications into the mix. Diet is tough enough. I shot a deer as a young teenager, and it just didn't feel right, so I understand the whole animal rights deal. I suppose I'm a bit of a hypocrite. I grew up eating venison, but I just didn't like the feeling of putting the breaks on a living, breathing animal. Didn't stop me from eating the meat, though.

Originally Posted by PushAndPull

Isn't more than that? I thought vegans didn't eat any animal products, even if the animals weren't killed in the process.

Great point and yes you are indeed correct. What I found for our defense this being those that do induce any such animal products is the fact that we need the animals alive. I further went on to commend their efforts with the structure for those with farm animals and the inhumane treatment of such creatures.

So, I would love to hear the vegan on gear story...anyone

Save an cow, eat a vegan.

Humans are omnivorous. We can, and must, eat meat. Yeah, vegatarians can work around it with a very careful diet.

Vegans, however, need to supplement, which has nothing to do with living healthy.

The power of being a vegan.

A vegan couple was sentenced Wednesday to life in prison in the death of their malnourished 6-week-old, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice.

Judge L.A. McConnell imposed the sentences on Jade Sanders, 27, and Lamont Thomas, 31, for starving the boy, who weighed just 3 1/2 pounds when he died.

Six-week-old Crown Shakur died of starvation April 25, 2004. His parents attributed his emaciated state to their strict vegan diet. Vegans are people who do not eat or use any animal products.

The couple was found guilty May 2 of malice murder, felony murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children. A jury deliberated about seven hours before returning the guilty verdicts.

Defense lawyers said the first-time parents did the best they could while adhering to the lifestyle of vegans, who typically use no animal products. They said Sanders and Thomas did not realize the baby, who was born at home, was in danger until minutes before he died.

But prosecutor Mike Carlson told the jury during closing arguments: "They're not vegans. They're baby killers!"

Great job not harming any animals...

Originally Posted by DOMS

The power of being a vegan.

Great job not harming any animals...

Your implication that their being vegan killed the baby is inaccurate. Those people are just stupid and should not be reproducing

Originally Posted by 200+

Your implication that their being vegan killed the baby is inaccurate. Those people are just stupid and should not be reproducing

The baby was the real vegan. He didn't use supplements.

Here's another story.

A couple who kept their five children on a strict raw foods diet was cleared of aggravated manslaughter Monday for the death of their 6-month-old baby, but convicted of four counts of child neglect.

Being vegans might not been the cause of the deaths, but their actions are inline with the mentality that of the vegans that I've seen in Los Angeles. Which played a central role in the deaths of those two infants.

I think these stories are unfortunate examples of ignorance. I do think that being vegan and eating healthy is possible, but that it takes a lot of time and effort to do things correctly. I've been around many vegans who are not inline with the mentality in your examples. I don't think this is an accurate representation of vegans in general. It is unfortunate that this has been your experience.

Fine, stay vegan.

More steak for me. I just got done slow cooking a 4LB roast today. It's red on the inside and delicious.

I have quite a few vegetarian and vegan friends. Some do it for the animals, others do it for environmental impact reasons. I see no problem with them doing it. It irritates me when people get mad at vegetarians and vegans because they do not eat meat, but at the same time it irritates me when they(vegs and vegans) do the same.

My wife and I are vegan. We have a six month of baby! Which we are raising vegan! He eats organic vegan soy formula plus we make our own organic baby food for him! He is healthy and gaining weight! We work closely with his doctor in making sure his diet it perfect!

He'll be deficient in B-12 and EPA/DHA. Be sure to supplement those; flax oil won't cut it, he'll need actual EPA/DHA or his brain won't develop properly. Invest in algae-based, it's expensive relative to fish oil, but you're vegan so that's not an option.

Be careful with the soy - not only does it suppress testosterone, its metabolism competes with the thyroid for iodine. I don't think I'd want to feed a child soy, much less a male child.

Originally Posted by Purecutting

My wife and I are vegan. We have a six month of baby! Which we are raising vegan! He eats organic vegan soy formula plus we make our own organic baby food for him! He is healthy and gaining weight! We work closely with his doctor in making sure his diet it perfect!

Please have your wife breastfeed your baby, if you're not doing so already.

I'm not going to get ideological or really bother defending my point but I figured I would be remiss to not throw in my two cents.

Nice catch, Marat. I thought it, but hoped perhaps he meant the infant formula was a supplement. If these guys are so vegan they don't believe in breastfeeding, they don't deserve to have a baby.

OMG! Yeah, do not feed your baby soy. Breastfeed. It's your wifes own milk and there is no reason what so ever that you shouldn't be breastfeeding.

There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.

I agree Built, if they didn't breastfeed and are feeding him soy formula instead they don't deserve to be parents.

Purecutting, how do you define the term "organic"? That is, when you say you are making "organic baby food", what makes it organic?

I'll cut to the chase and mention that if you are buying the foods from a grocery store, you would be well served to ensure that they aren't being sprayed with organophosphates and shit like that. You would be well served ask the grocery manager where the food is grown and what happens to it each step of the way. Even if you are purchasing it from the "organic" sections of Whole Foods or places like that, they are still generally getting blasted with organophosphates, etc.

I don't particularly mind GMO food at the moment, but you might as well verify the food your are buying is treated in the way you think it is. "Organic" is not a regulated term.

If you're getting your food straight from a grower that doesn't spray anything, then that's nice. I've heard some decent arguments against 'pesticeded'/GMO food -- so as an adult, go nuts. The same rules do not apply for your child.

You should reconsider your feeding and consider solely breastfeeding your kid until he's about a year old. You can get a breast pump for your wife and store excess milk in the freezer.

For the sake of the kid, I urge you to reconsider as it doesn't sound like you are doing any breastfeeding at the moment. Step outside of your comfort zone and check out the research in favor of breastfeeding.