Thread: Good little blog article on how mayonnaise isn't bad for you

Great. Another food I find nauseating that is good for you. If there was any justice in the world pastrami on rye and bacon triple cheeseburgers would be health food.

awsome i love mayo

Along similar lines: T NATION | The Truth About Saturated Fat

I go with the lite helmans. I love mayo and I always thought it was bad for you until I really started watching what I ate then i realized it's not that bad. Plus the EFA's in it are good.

Whoever said mayo was bad for you in the first place?? I never heard that. I just don't find it appealing on grilled salmon, chicken breasts, steak or my salad so not much use for it anyway. By the way bacon triple cheeseburgers on wheat buns are good for you. Lots of protein and with 97% lean beef you get 1/2 days worth of fat out of the way

I love mayo and only use the real stuff, no light or nasty sugar laden FF stuff for me! nothing wrong with some eggs and soybean oil

this rules

Study shows no association between dietary saturated fats and cardiovascular disease risk (EUFIC)

Twenty-one studies matched the inclusion criteria for the current meta-analysis. Together these comprised 347,747 individuals of which some 11,000 developed any cardiovascular disease. The results of the analysis showed no significant association between high intake of saturated fatty acids and an increased risk of coronary heart disease, stroke or cardiovascular disease. Age, sex, and study quality were factors taken into account in the analysis, but they did not impact on the outcome.

The studies lasted between 5 and 25 years. Though I should say they should say to focus on a 3-4:1 ratio of n6:n3, as most people don't take that into account when told "eat polyunsaturates."

Just because two things are co-related doesn't mean it's a matter of cause and effect. I read a lot of literature (including Anthony Colpo's "The Great Cholesterol Con") and can say with most certainty we need to worry more about C-Reactive Protein, homocysteine, and interleukin-6 due to the general "grain fed," "pasteurized," etc. culture we live in. Half of people with heart disease have high cholesterol, the others have normal. You're at a higher risk of CVD if you have normal cholesterol and elevated CRP.

Originally Posted by twarrior

Whoever said mayo was bad for you in the first place?? I never heard that. I just don't find it appealing on grilled salmon, chicken breasts, steak or my salad so not much use for it anyway. By the way bacon triple cheeseburgers on wheat buns are good for you. Lots of protein and with 97% lean beef you get 1/2 days worth of fat out of the way

Well, sort of. But it does ease my guilt a bit about my favorite cheat meal. Not too fond of the wheat buns. Lots of calories and fat, though. Now if you can tell me how salted cured meat is healthy I'll really be happy! I know a guy who ate five pounds of meat per day, mostly venison. He was one strong SOB, and competed as a superheavyweight powerlifter, so needless to say he wasn't too concerned with diet, other than eating a ton.

[QUOTE=Arra;2107307]Study shows no association between dietary saturated fats and cardiovascular disease risk (EUFIC)

Here is the end of the essay you quoted-

Fat is an essential component of our diet; we all need to eat certain amounts to stay in good health. But, it is not only the total amount of fat that is important, we also need to think about what kind of fats we choose to eat. In general, we should eat more of the ‘good’ unsaturated fats, including essential omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids and monounsaturated fatty acids and less of the ‘bad fats’, such as certain saturated fatty acids. Studies have shown that a high consumption of certain saturated fatty acids may increase the levels of ‘bad’ LDL-cholesterol in the blood, but this is not the case with all saturated fatty acids. Elevated blood levels of LDL-cholesterol is a known risk factor for cardiovascular disease.

The recommendation to persons who wish to reduce their risk of cardiovascular disease is to replace the saturated fatty acids in their diet with polyunsaturated fatty acids. It is considered that a diet with around 30% of daily energy coming from fat is consistent with good health, with a maximum of 10-11% from saturated fatty acids.


Seems clear to me that they are recommending replacing excessive saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat in order to reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. 20% polyunsaturated fat and 10% saturated fat for a total of 30% of the diet comprised of fat is the clear recommendation.

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Originally Posted by Arra

Study shows no association between dietary saturated fats and cardiovascular disease risk (EUFIC)

Here is the end of the essay you quoted-

Fat is an essential component of our diet; we all need to eat certain amounts to stay in good health. But, it is not only the total amount of fat that is important, we also need to think about what kind of fats we choose to eat. In general, we should eat more of the ‘good’ unsaturated fats, including essential omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids and monounsaturated fatty acids and less of the ‘bad fats’, such as certain saturated fatty acids. Studies have shown that a high consumption of certain saturated fatty acids may increase the levels of ‘bad’ LDL-cholesterol in the blood, but this is not the case with all saturated fatty acids. Elevated blood levels of LDL-cholesterol is a known risk factor for cardiovascular disease.

The recommendation to persons who wish to reduce their risk of cardiovascular disease is to replace the saturated fatty acids in their diet with polyunsaturated fatty acids. It is considered that a diet with around 30% of daily energy coming from fat is consistent with good health, with a maximum of 10-11% from saturated fatty acids.


Seems clear to me that they are recommending replacing excessive saturated fat with polyunsaturated fat in order to reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease. 20% polyunsaturated fat and 10% saturated fat for a total of 30% of the diet comprised of fat is the clear recommendation.

Saturated fat doesn't increase risk of CVD, polyunsaturates decrease it. Two different things. Also, 1/3 of people on statins have high LDL or diabetes, things they thought would increase their risk of heart attack, yet they haven't had one.

Inflammation is the critical cause of CVD, I don't know why doctors still say cholesterol has anything to do with anything.

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Originally Posted by MDR

Saturated fat doesn't increase risk of CVD, polyunsaturates decrease it. Two different things. Also, 1/3 of people on statins have high LDL or diabetes, things they thought would increase their risk of heart attack, yet they haven't had one.

Inflammation is the critical cause of CVD, I don't know why doctors still say cholesterol has anything to do with anything.

Your article clearly states that the consumption of saturated fat increases bad cholesterol, and recommends cutting back the consumption of these fats and replacing them with polyunsaturated fats. So you are saying that high cholesterol isn't a problem for people looking to prevent cardiovascular disease? Interesting.

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Originally Posted by Arra

Your article clearly states that the consumption of saturated fat increases bad cholesterol, and recommends cutting back the consumption of these fats and replacing them with polyunsaturated fats. So you are saying that high cholesterol isn't a problem for people looking to prevent cardiovascular disease? Interesting.

There is no such thing as good or bad cholesterol, even MDs would agree with me:

High Cholesterol is not the critical cause of heart disease | WeeksMD

"no such thing as good and bad cholesterol"
A mistake that is rarely made in the hard-core sciences such as physics seems to be frequently made in medicine. This is confusing correlation with cause. There may be a weak correlation of elevated cholesterol with heart attacks, however this does not mean it is the cholesterol that caused the heart attack. Certainly gray hair is correlated with getting older; however one could hardly say that the gray hair caused one to get old. Using hair dye to reduce the gray hair would not really make you any younger. Neither it appears would just lowering your cholesterol.

"cholesterol is the hero not the villain"
The coronary disease that causes heart attacks is now considered to be caused mostly from chronic inflammation.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Heart-Atta...ion&id=2314076

Research studies that number in the thousands and continue to this day show that INFLAMMATION plays a much bigger role in triggering heart attacks and heart disease than cholesterol.
These studies show that people with normal cholesterol AND high levels of a substance called C-reactive protein, which measures inflammation, are at greater risk of heart attack than people with high cholesterol and normal levels of CRP.


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While it's true that about half of the people with heart disease have high cholesterol, it is also true about half the people with heart disease have NORMAL cholesterol, which means cholesterol may NOT be a significant causal factor.
The new research on inflammation and the role of C-reactive protein is so compelling that many doctors now believe the evidence is overwhelming and that inflammation is, with total certainty, the central factor in cardiovascular disease.
The bottom line is this; the next time you have a check up be sure and have your C-reactive protein tested because this test, exclusive of all others, provides objective information about your risk of heart disease that is far more important than any other factor capable of being tested at this time, including cholesterol.

Taken from The Great Cholesterol Con:

Those with the lowest cholesterol die youngest

A single disgruntled researcher, who conducted some of the sloppiest and most shamelessly biased research ever seen, was largely responsible for launching the anti-animal fat/anti-cholesterol mania as we know it today

As for the other two I mentioned earlier:

Homocysteine is trying to be shown to be a benign co-related factor with heart disease, yet the latest studies say B Vitamins don't do anything against heart disease/attack/stroke, when they don't even take the subjects into the under-7 range and other misleading ways.

Interleukin-6 rises with omega-6 intake.

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Originally Posted by MDR

There is no such thing as good or bad cholesterol, even MDs would agree with me:

High Cholesterol is not the critical cause of heart disease | WeeksMD

http://ezinearticles.com/?Heart-Atta...ion&id=2314076

Taken from The Great Cholesterol Con:



As for the other two I mentioned earlier:

Homocysteine is trying to be shown to be a benign co-related factor with heart disease, yet the latest studies say B Vitamins don't do anything against heart disease/attack/stroke, when they don't even take the subjects into the under-7 range and other misleading ways.

Interleukin-6 rises with omega-6 intake.

I get where you are coming from. Interesting theory, but I think you are way off base here. High blood cholesterol is a factor in hypertension, especially high "bad" cholesterol. Once again, this is a useless debate, because we are not going to agree on this.

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Originally Posted by Arra

I get where you are coming from. Interesting theory, but I think you are way off base here. High blood cholesterol is a factor in hypertension, especially high "bad" cholesterol. Once again, this is a useless debate, because we are not going to agree on this.

High Blood Pressure Symptoms, Causes, Treatment - Borderline high blood pressure on MedicineNet

Did they leave that out? I don't see LDL or cholesterol even mentioned as a cause. Any studies I would be interested in, preferably full-text.

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Originally Posted by MDR

High Blood Pressure Symptoms, Causes, Treatment - Borderline high blood pressure on MedicineNet

Did they leave that out? I don't see LDL or cholesterol even mentioned as a cause. Any studies I would be interested in, preferably full-text.

Try looking up metabolic syndrome. You will find hundreds of articles associating the risk factors for hypertension, which include the correlation between high cholesterol and high blood pressure. Have fun.

Common causes of High LDL cholesterol - WrongDiagnosis.com

Metabolic syndrome causes high LDL, not the other way around. It would be treating a symptom, not the disease itself.

Hope this clears things up for you a bit-
Signs and tests

According to the American Heart Association and the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute, metabolic syndrome is present if you have three or more of the following signs:

• Blood pressure equal to or higher than 130/85 mmHg
• Fasting blood sugar (glucose) equal to or higher than 100 mg/dL
• Large waist circumference (length around the waist):
  
  • Men - 40 inches or more
  • Women - 35 inches or more
• Low HDL cholesterol:
  
  • Men - under 40 mg/dL
  • Women - under 50 mg/dL
• Triglycerides equal to or higher than 150 mg/dL

Tests that may be done to diagnose metabolic syndrome include:

• Blood pressure measurement
• Glucose test
• HDL cholesterol level
• LDL cholesterol level
• Total cholesterol level
• Triglyceride level

Treatment

The goal of treatment is to reduce your risk of heart disease and diabetes. Your doctor will recommend lifestyle changes or medicines to help reduce your blood pressure, LDL cholesterol, and blood sugar.
Recommendations include:

• Lose weight. The initial goal is to lose between 7 and 10% of your current weight. This generally means that you need to eat 500 - 1,000 fewer calories per day.
• Get 30 minutes of moderate intensity exercise, such as walking, 5 - 7 days per week.
• Lower your cholesterol using weight loss, exercise, and cholesterol lowering medications, if needed.
• Lower your blood pressure using weight loss, exercise, and medications, if needed.

Some people may need daily low-dose aspirin.
People who smoke should quit.
Expectations (prognosis)

People with metabolic syndrome have an increased long-term risk for developing cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes.
Complications

• Atherosclerosis
• Diabetes
• Heart attack
• Kidney disease
• Nonalcoholic fatty liver disease
• Peripheral artery disease
• Stroke

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Originally Posted by MDR

Inflammation is the critical cause of CVD, I don't know why doctors still say cholesterol has anything to do with anything.

9/10 when you hear about cholesterol on tv regardless if it's a tv add or Dr. talking about something they always talk about "bad cholesterol" instead of stating that it's the carrier (HDL or LDL) of cholesterol that matters. that fuking shit drives me batty

Dukes....Best mayo on the globe.