Thread: Bulking Diet... 'too much fat???'

Originally Posted by Cal0777

Changed my diet around today as I was unsatisfied with the results of the last supplement i was using.

Breakfast- 4 scoops critical mass, with 2 cups of milk
calories-1393
protein-24g
carbs-225g
fat-80g
1 2/3 cup harvest crunch cereal
calories- 715
protein-14.5g
carbs-100g
fat-28.5g
3 free range organic fed raw eggs
calories-221
protein-18.87g
carbs-1.16g
fat-14.91g

Lunch- 4 scoops critical mass, with 2 cups of milk
calories-1393
protein-24g
carbs-225g
fat-80g
generally chicken, beef, or pork serving with a portion of frozen
veggies.

Dinner 4 scoops critical mass, with 2 cups of milk
calories-1393
protein-24g
carbs-225g
fat-80g
3 free range organic fed raw eggs
calories-221
protein-18.87g
carbs-1.16g
fat-14.91g
generally chicken, beef, or pork serving with a portion of frozen
veggies. Or possibly rice pasta.

this totals.
5337 calories
268.24g of protein
778.32g of carbs
298.82g of fat
this is excluding my lunch, and dinner portions.
Any thoughts, or considerations would be greatly appreciated.
TY ^^

are you sure them totals are right I get 5000 cals in with having alot less fat , that weight gain you on is crap 80g fat an 24g protein in 1 shake you need at least 60g protein in a weight gain with that many cals in.
you not having enougth meals 2 split them up in to 5-6 meals , I have 7-8 meals a day

yes sorry, that was a typo. Wife harassment induced... lol when mixed with water it is 13g fat, 49g of protein, 1040 calories, 180 carbs. When mixed with milk it is 23g of fat, 66g of protein, 1304 calories, and 214 carbs.... So..... the correct totals would be calories@5070, protein@250g, carbs@744g, and fat@128g

Again sorry bout the mistakes

You only eat three times a day? You need protein every 2-3 hours especially if you are building mass.

typical day for me starts at 6am.

-6 am
1 protein shake
23g fat, 66g protein, 214g carbs, 1304 calories
3 raw eggs
15g fat, 19g protein, 1g carbs, 221 calories
1 2/3s cup harvest crunch cereal
29g fat, 14.5g, 100g carbs, 715 calories

-8am
2 granola bars
14g fat, 6g protein, 44g carbs, 320 calories

-12
portion of chicken, pork, or beef with veggies
1 protein shake
23g fat, 66g protein, 214 carbs, 221 calories

-2:30
2 granola bars
14g fat, 6g protein, 44g carbs, 320 calories

5:30-6:00
protein shake
23g fat, 66g protein, 44g carbs, 320 calories
3 raw eggs
portion of chicken, pork, or beef with veggies

7-9 work out 4x a week
work out days only
9pm 1 2/3s cup of cereal
29g fat, 14.5g protein, 100g carbs, 715 calories

That pretty much surmises my entire diet at this time.

Thanks for any input any of you may have

Originally Posted by GMO

You only eat three times a day? You need protein every 2-3 hours especially if you are building mass.

Consuming large amounts of protein can provide a time release of protein.

Even ask Built

I've read different opinions on time release protein after large doses, and i'm trying to come up with a solution to my work schedule. Like to keep it simple, a routine i can keep at home as well as at work. The protein shake I'm using only calls for 3 scoops, I've been putting 4 scoops in to up the protein level of it to compensate for my work schedule. Doesn't really effect the taste, and it blends quite well, so I'm going to stick with it.

So basically with meat servings, and veggies on reg days I'm getting around 400g of protein, 1100 carbs, and 6700 calories.
On workout days I'm getting around 420g of protein, 1200 carbs, and 7400 calories.

I really don't ever feel bloated, or uncomfortable with this intake, perhaps it is too much, but it seems to be working.

Thanks for the links I will check them out.

Originally Posted by GMO

You only eat three times a day? You need protein every 2-3 hours especially if you are building mass.

To be frank, this is bullshit. Search around the forum or the Internet in general, this has been addressed.

Originally Posted by Marat

To be frank, this is bullshit. Search around the forum or the Internet in general, this has been addressed.

LOL!!! Just the way i like it straight to the point, no BS. Perfect!!!

Originally Posted by Cal0777

yes sorry, that was a typo. Wife harassment induced... lol when mixed with water it is 13g fat, 49g of protein, 1040 calories, 180 carbs. When mixed with milk it is 23g of fat, 66g of protein, 1304 calories, and 214 carbs.... So..... the correct totals would be calories@5070, protein@250g, carbs@744g, and fat@128g

Again sorry bout the mistakes

No that's not too much fat. You will find that your joints will LOVE you at that level. I don't respond well to a TON of carbs, so personally, I would drop the carbs and add more fat, especially coconut oil. Just be sure to slowly add the coconut oil over time or you will be shitting out your spine as MCTs cause bowel distress at high levels if your body isn't used to them.

Originally Posted by Cal0777

So basically with meat servings, and veggies on reg days I'm getting around 400g of protein, 1100 carbs, and 6700 calories.
On workout days I'm getting around 420g of protein, 1200 carbs, and 7400 calories.

I loathe people like you. My bulking calories are 3000 calories per day !
Maybe one day my metabolism will kick into high gear

LOL Just be happy you don't need 4000+ calories to maintain a balanced weight, my metabolism is insane, makes for easy cutting though. It is the bulking that really sucks.

Originally Posted by chronicelite

I loathe people like you. My bulking calories are 3000 calories per day !
Maybe one day my metabolism will kick into high gear

cardio bumps metabolism

Originally Posted by GMO

You only eat three times a day? You need protein every 2-3 hours especially if you are building mass.

Nope.

Originally Posted by Beejis60

cardio bumps metabolism

Not by much, sadly. It DOES improve partitioning, though.

Originally Posted by Marat

To be frank, this is bullshit. Search around the forum or the Internet in general, this has been addressed.

Frankly, I've been doing this for 20 years and I'm a f**king BEAST with low BF, so I'll stick to what has been proven...not what I read on the Internet or the latest fad with no scientific research behind it.

However, I am always open to education, so if someone could explain to me how a steady stream of amino acids in the bloodstream is not good for muscle growth, I'm all ears.

GMO - a lot of things work. I'm glad you've had such excellent results - many, many who have gone before you have also done well on multiple meals.

I guarantee you would have done at least as well had you tried another paradigm, but this does not for a moment imply that what you did cannot work. Indeed it does, and well, for many.

For those of us whose appetites are overstimulated by small frequent meals - but well-controlled on fewer-but-larger meals, it's a relief to know that this can - and does - work well.

Martin Berkhan over at leangains probably says it the best: Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health: Meal Frequency

Scrolling down, Martin speaks of bulking, which has a link to this excellent article on Lyle's site: Meal Frequency for Mass Gains | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

The long and the short of it: eat as frequently or as infrequently as you wish. If it matters at all, it won't matter nearly as much as we've been led to believe. Pay attention to your daily intake, and feed your workouts adequately. The rest really comes down to convenience and comfort.

Built, Thank you for the educated response with links. I will most certainly read the articles. I do realize that the human body is the most complex organism on this earth, and what works for one of us, will not always work for all of us. I think my biggest issue with eating less frequent meals would be cramming nearly 500grams of protein in to 3-4 meals. 2 dozens eggs for breakfast anyone?

Thanks again.

Indeed - for those of you with very high caloric intake, frequent meals is really the only way to pack it all in. The problem comes when I see a big guy who eats 6000 calories a day spread over 8 meals trying to help his 140 lb girlfriend set up a cutting diet with six "meals" on 1500 calories a day. She'll invariably feel so hungry she won't be able to stick to it - where on three meals a day she might be just fine because a 500-calorie meal feels a LOT more filling than two 250-calorie snacks spread out over several hours.

500g of protein - you ARE a big boy aren't you?

Originally Posted by Built

Indeed - for those of you with very high caloric intake, frequent meals is really the only way to pack it all in. The problem comes when I see a big guy who eats 6000 calories a day spread over 8 meals trying to help his 140 lb girlfriend set up a cutting diet with six "meals" on 1500 calories a day. She'll invariably feel so hungry she won't be able to stick to it - where on three meals a day she might be just fine because a 500-calorie meal feels a LOT more filling than two 250-calorie snacks spread out over several hours.

Yeah, I often forget that not everybody is trying to get HUGE...

Originally Posted by Built

500g of protein - you ARE a big boy aren't you?

I rounded up, but I'm certainly not small. Nice Abs by the way