Thread: Fats, which ones to stay away from?

Saturated animal fats are fine.

I like this article by Sally Fallon and Mary Enig:
The Oiling of America

Vegetable oils have the ability to increase the HDL (good) cholesterol that your body needs and this will help to cleanse the blood vessels from the deposits. Also, vegetable oils will lower the LDL (bad) cholesterol.

I eat it all. I avoid hydrogenated garbage though.

Originally Posted by OutWhey

Vegetable oils have the ability to increase the HDL (good) cholesterol that your body needs and this will help to cleanse the blood vessels from the deposits. Also, vegetable oils will lower the LDL (bad) cholesterol.

You got any proof of either of your claims, OutWhey?

so fats in cheese like mozzerella are good?

Yep.

thanks built.. one last question.. sometimes I find myself working out after the 3 huge meals that you advised me I should stick to in my diet (Which is going great! TY). Is this detrimental since I am not getting a post workout meal?

Originally Posted by OutWhey

Vegetable oils have the ability to increase the HDL (good) cholesterol that your body needs and this will help to cleanse the blood vessels from the deposits. Also, vegetable oils will lower the LDL (bad) cholesterol.

Just to point some things out:

MRFIT proved that those with the highest cholesterol were at 413% greater risk than those with the lowest. Among the lowest values 99.7% were still alive. Among the higher values 98.7% were alive. 1.3 is indeed 413% of .3%, but not as bad as saying "413%." Not to mention if you took out those who smoked, the margin becomes so close that you can't tell a difference.

MONICA study, when plotted, shows little to no correlation between cholesterol and deaths. Malcom Kendrick plotted some on youtube, and added Autstralian Aboriginals who have the highest cholesterol and lowest death rate.

Inflammation is seen as the "new cholesterol" as many doctors prescribe statins due to statin companies now having tons of studies (usually comparing arginine to said statin) showing anti-inflammatory effects. Why do you think aspirin works for reducing secondary heart attacks? It's an anti-inflammatory/anti-proinflammatory-cytokines.

And if you want to get into familial hypercholesterolemia, vascular events were shown to be independent of cholesterol (source being Uffe Ravnskov's "Fat and Cholesterol are good for you")

I only worry about VLDL (.2* triglycerides), and even then, 10 VLDL particles isn't anything to be worried about.

Anyone also read about Kilmer McCully being called names and not being able to get a job with his unpublished research about how lowering homocysteine (with b6, b9, b12) can reverse atherosclerosis? No, of course not.

Oh, and on topic, saturated (those like red palm oil, MCT oil, and coconut oil on salads are extremely healthy) and monounsaturated (like those in hazelnuts, macadamia nuts, almonds, and cashews) should make up the majority of your diet, they're extremely healthy. I take 4-6 grams of fish oil a day, and keep polyunsaturates under 10% of my diet personally to keep my n6:n3 ratio into advised territory.

Originally Posted by mike456

thanks built.. one last question.. sometimes I find myself working out after the 3 huge meals that you advised me I should stick to in my diet (Which is going great! TY). Is this detrimental since I am not getting a post workout meal?

Doubtful. If you're at all concerned, you could have a whey shake or some BCAAs post-workout.


Great post, Arra.