From what I know its true dietary cholesterol affects on blood cholesterol values is pretty low like ~15%, but that is enough to put you over the top depending on your situation.
Some can eat a carton a day and be fine while others are hyperresponders to dietary cholesterol and will have to watch what they eat. If you are unfortunate and one of those people, 5yolks a day could do harm to you.
Best to test your blood periodically to be sure.
Also if your family line has cholesterol issues then I would definately cut back on the cholesterol until you find out where you stand.
The jury is still somewhat out like you said on this topic so best to play it safe :]
First off i love eggs so i dont want to throw the yolk away, second off i guess im a little jewish and also a little world hungry friendly so i cant see why i shoudl throw a perfectly good peice of food away when i could eat it if i won a lifetime supply of free eggs... maybe
From what I know its true dietary cholesterol affects on blood cholesterol values is pretty low like ~15%, but that is enough to put you over the top depending on your situation.
Some can eat a carton a day and be fine while others are hyperresponders to dietary cholesterol and will have to watch what they eat. If you are unfortunate and one of those people, 5yolks a day could do harm to you.
Best to test your blood periodically to be sure.
Also if your family line has cholesterol issues then I would definately cut back on the cholesterol until you find out where you stand.
The jury is still somewhat out like you said on this topic so best to play it safe :]
ooa,
Genetics
Seventy percent of your cholesterol is produced by you. Thus, if your cholesterol is high, it because you picked the wrong parent.
Consuming Cholesterol Foods
When increasing your intake of cholesterol, you body automatically will cut back on it production of cholesterol.
Bogus Cholesterol Research
Built's post provide information on how Ansel Key's Seven Countries Study is bogus. There were 22 countries involved in the study. Keys threw out the information that did not support his theory.
Cholesterol Linked To Living Longer
Reseach now indicate those with higher cholesterol levels live longer. Dr Uffe Ravnskov's Cholesterol Myths goes into that.
What Will Kill You..."The Deadly Trifecta"
The combination of three things is a death sentence.
1) Low Levels of HDL, High Density Liproproetins, HDL
2) High Triglyerides
3) High Levels of LDL, Low Density Liproproteins.
Fat's NOT The Problem
1) Fat does NOT dramaticallyt increase cholesterol
2) Fat does NOT decrease HDL.
3) Fat does NOT increase Triglycerides.
Sugar Will Kills Your
1) Sugar decreases HDL.
2) Sugar increases Triglycerides.
3) Sugar increases Particle B LDL, BAD LDL.
Saturated Fats
1) Increase HDL
2) Increase Partical A LDL, healthy LDL).
"No One Got Dumbber From Reading A Book." Cosgrove
You haven't read enough of the right information.
The world's not flat and cholesterol not going to kill you.
From what I know its true dietary cholesterol affects on blood cholesterol values is pretty low like ~15%, but that is enough to put you over the top depending on your situation.
Some can eat a carton a day and be fine while others are hyperresponders to dietary cholesterol and will have to watch what they eat. If you are unfortunate and one of those people, 5yolks a day could do harm to you.
Best to test your blood periodically to be sure.
Also if your family line has cholesterol issues then I would definately cut back on the cholesterol until you find out where you stand.
The jury is still somewhat out like you said on this topic so best to play it safe :]
Even if that is true, that other respond differently to dietary cholesterol, there still isn't enough evidence to make a link between high cholesterol to any kind of heart problems
Taurus Nutrition Representative
Everything I say is a product of my imagination
& does not reflect the views or opinion of TN
i get unlimited farm fresh eggs,because i haul eggs for a living.20-30 ton a day,from GA. to MIAMI.And i eat 12 eggs a day,no problems,good source of protein.
Seventy percent of your cholesterol is produced by you. Thus, if your cholesterol is high, it because you picked the wrong parent.
Consuming Cholesterol Foods
When increasing your intake of cholesterol, you body automatically will cut back on it production of cholesterol.
Bogus Cholesterol Research
Built's post provide information on how Ansel Key's Seven Countries Study is bogus. There were 22 countries involved in the study. Keys threw out the information that did not support his theory.
Cholesterol Linked To Living Longer
Reseach now indicate those with higher cholesterol levels live longer. Dr Uffe Ravnskov's Cholesterol Myths goes into that.
What Will Kill You..."The Deadly Trifecta"
The combination of three things is a death sentence.
1) Low Levels of HDL, High Density Liproproetins, HDL
2) High Triglyerides
3) High Levels of LDL, Low Density Liproproteins.
Fat's NOT The Problem
1) Fat does NOT dramaticallyt increase cholesterol
2) Fat does NOT decrease HDL.
3) Fat does NOT increase Triglycerides.
Sugar Will Kills Your
1) Sugar decreases HDL.
2) Sugar increases Triglycerides.
3) Sugar increases Particle B LDL, BAD LDL.
Saturated Fats
1) Increase HDL
2) Increase Partical A LDL, healthy LDL).
"No One Got Dumbber From Reading A Book." Cosgrove
You haven't read enough of the right information.
The world's not flat and cholesterol not going to kill you.
Kenny Croxdale
Genetics.. agreed.
Consumption.. agreed except for hyperresponders who do not down regulate properly.
Ansel Keys.. agreed he was biased.
High cholesterol linked to longevity.. you should have noted this is specific focused on HDL.
Deadly trifecta.. agreed.
Sugars.. agreed.
Fats.. agreed.
A few more things..
People who have cholesterol issues that run in the family generally have issues transporting LDL out so even with a good hdl ldl ratio, higher cholesterol values will be worse for them.
Those against the lipid hypothesis are still the minority.
And the trend is leaning towards a revision, not a complete discrediting of the lipid hypothesis.
So the jury is still out.. not cut dry like a few here are posting it is.
And where I stand..
The men in my family have metabolic syndrome , and I don't throw out the yolk and eat about 28 eggs for breakfast every week.. but I' get bloodwork done so I'm aware of where I stand.
I am for the egg and believe the negative issues with cholesterol are over hyped.. not non existent.
Every individual is different and to be safe you should be getting bloodwork done every so often anyway..
You haven't read enough information.
The world's round and cholesterol can be good as well as bad.
Even if that is true, that other respond differently to dietary cholesterol, there still isn't enough evidence to make a link between high cholesterol to any kind of heart problems
I eat 15 egg whites and 3-4 yolks for breakfast every day with 2 cups of oats and a banana. Have gone between having just egg whites and having up to 8 yolks and haven't seen much difference in cholesterol when i got bloodwork around those times (though there were other supplements and factors so in no way am i saying for sure one way or the other, just sharing my experience)
LDL isnt really the monster it is made out to be. There is a belief that the smaller more dense LDL particles has an involvement in the process of inflammation, but again dietary fat or cholesterol doesnt produce these lipoproteins. It is a diet that is high in simple carbs that would lead to them. It really isnt the cholesterol itself that is to blame but the inflamation but the diet high in sugar.
As for free radicals and LDL.. yes. When LDL is oxidized it does pose a threat and free radicals are what cause it to oxidize but these free radicals are mainly from trans fat, which I assume we all avoid since we are so health consicous. Furthermore fruits and veggies contain plenty of antioxidents that will help combat these free radicals.
If ones diet is low in trans fat, low in simple carbs and high in veggies and fruit you shouldnt fear dietary fat or cholesterol. These high carb/ low fat diets that are pushed onto us are far more damaging then your eggs and bacon are.
Taurus Nutrition Representative
Everything I say is a product of my imagination
& does not reflect the views or opinion of TN
Within LDL are subtypes. As I stated in a previous post, Particle B LDL creates cardiovascular problems.
Particle A LDL is not a problem.
Particle B LDL is a big problem!
"More LDL..."
This generalization is ludicrious.
Which LDL Do I Have?
A fasting blood test specifically for LDL can breakdown if you have more Particle A or B LDL.
However, few physicians request and LDL breakdown.
Another Method of Determing LDL Particles
In the standard fasting blood test, there are two indicators of which LDL Particles you have.
1) HDL Levels
2) Triglycerides
LDL Particle A (Good LDL)
1) High HDL Level
2) Low Triglycerides
LDL Particle B (Cardiovascular precursor)
1) Low HDL Levels
2) High Triglycerides
As physician Dr Robert Lustig noted, "Individuals with low HDL and high Triglycerides are a time bomb waiting to go off".
Most Physicians Are CLUELESS
The majority of medical physicians are clueless in understanding the correlation of HDL:Triglycerides in determing if which LDL Particles you have.
Medical Physicians...Disease
Medical physicians study disease.
That means the majority of physicians are clueless about nutrition, exercise, physical therapy, and pharmacology.
Free Radicals
Yes, they are a problem.
Now, go read up on LDL.
Kenny Croxdale
Bro, the point was to show there is a link between high cholesterol and heart problems, but uh.. thanks for diving off into a tangent and taking the time to expand on LDLs to clarify on my "ludicrous generalization"
Now, go work on a better 1up attempt and because I won't be dragging out this thread any further.
Last edited by ooa4oo; 08-28-2011 at 01:33 PM.
Reason: returning Crox's crock.
Two every morning, sometimes another one in the evening. I don"t see the point in throwing them out. If your worried about cholesterol, there is a lot worse things you need to eliminate before you throw out the yolks.
some of the weight lifters i knew where getting through something like 36 eggs a day. i dont know where the hell they used to put all those cals but it never did them any harm that i knew of. they where as strong as oxes i can tell you.
i get unlimited farm fresh eggs,because i haul eggs for a living.20-30 ton a day,from GA. to MIAMI.And i eat 12 eggs a day,no problems,good source of protein.
You are one lucky bastard...
Do you ever get the organic kind of the omega-3 kind?
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Omega eggs I know someone on here recommended them I'm addicted their all I will eat now the whole thing every time whites are so clear yolks so yellow and they taste so much cleaner! I would like to thank you even though I don't know who you are! Thanks I'll!
I've never tossed out an egg yolk. Vince Gironda was mentioned by a previous poster, and he was sporting six packs in the 50's and 60's, and eggs were a staple in his diet.
Our bodies produce cholesterol, so it knows how to deal with them under normal circumstances. When the linings of the arteries are smooth, any cholesterol flows right through them. If they are scarred or inflamed, that's when it can form clots. A c-reactive protein test can be more telling that cholesterol levels.
Lastly, trans fats are real bad guys. Since they are not found in nature, our bodies have no means of utilizing or breaking them down. Thus, they cause problems that often get attributed to cholesterol.
Nothing I post should be taken as medical advice, but research it yourself, and you will be shocked what you discover.
There are hypo-responders and hyper-responders to dietary cholesterol. Over 2/3rds of the population are hypo-responders while less than 1/3rd are hyper-responders; and the hyper-responders just get bigger and safer LDL's- not to mention an increase in HDL, and the HDL/LDL ratio stays the same, not that it matters much.
I still hear people on this board are scared of saturated fat, when some of the most healthy populations in the world (Austrians, Dutch, Swiss, French, Masai, Inuit) eat loads of their caloric intake (14%, 15.1%, 15.3%, 15.5%, 66%, 75%) in saturated fat. Furthermore, Ukrainians, Azerbaijanis, and Georgians eat low saturated fat in regards to caloric intake (7.5% or less), yet have some of the highest cardiac death rates.
Here are some decisive studies:
In 1992, the Framingham studies showed that those who ate the most saturated fat weighed the least, and had the lowest cholesterol – oopsies!
The 2009 UCLA study studied the LDL number of heart attack patients in 541 hospitals. What were the results? 75% of people looked at had LDL in the “safe” range (<130mg/dl). 21% of these patients were on statins. That’s not all, but 50% of people had LDL in the “optimal” range (<100mg/dl).
The MRFIT (multiple risk factors intervention trial) said that people with the highest cholesterol levels had a 413% larger chance of dying compared to the people with the lowest cholesterol. By the end of the trials, 99.7% of the people with lowest cholesterol levels were alive, while 98.7% of those with the highest cholesterol were alive. Or to say it another way: .3% of the people with lowest cholesterol levels were alive, while 1.3% of those with the highest cholesterol levels died. 1.3 is indeed 413% of .3, but said another way: the difference in mortalities was 1 percentage point. And when you take out those with independent risk factors such as smoking, the percentage difference gets even lower.
This is not to say cholesterol is irrelevant. Oxidized LDL is very relevant to heart disease, as is Lp-PLA2. But many other markers exist such as high sensitivity C-Reactive Protein, HbA1c, Homocysteine, fasting insulin, serum ferritin, and vitamin D status. The Triglyceride/HDL ratio can tell you your LDL pattern (A is good, B is bad): less than 3 is pattern A, 3-5 is pattern A/B, anything above 5 is pattern B.
Unfortunately, there is only one lab to my knowledge that measures oxidized LDL, and a great ratio for detecting heart disease is the Oxidized LDL/HDL ratio (via Johnson et al).
Polyunsaturates should be viewed as the "saturated fat" and hydrogenated oils are where they should be. Polyunsaturates are very susceptible to free radical damage versus saturated fat and monounsaturated fat. When free radicals oxygenate a polyunsaturated LDL it becomes oxidized and can enter the endothelium. Keeping polyunsaturates to 3-6% of caloric intake is critical. None of this "LDL clogs your arteries" stuff is true, our arteries aren't like pipes.
As for statins, they only reduce risk of heart attacks in men with heart disease, any other demographic the results are dismal to say the least, if not harmful (loss of memory, heightened suicide rates, depression, diabetes, and increased cancer mortality)
Though I'm glad people are catching on (at least here) that whole grains aren't all that is awesome in this world. I myself eat a fairly low carb diet (15%) while the majority of my calories come from fat (75%). When I was bulking I always used tubers/bulbs/roots.
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