Confused about Dextrose post W/O

Karlito · 05-07-2003, 09:26 PM

I've been reading but It's not sticking...

If I'm still trying to lose love handles is Dextrose a good idea post w/o?

Right now my post w/o shake is 40g Optimum Whey (2 scoops) in 16 oz with 1 tsp flax. I usually eat a few spoonfulls of brown rice with it.

Should I just add a banana? Dextrose?

Dr. Pain · 05-07-2003, 09:28 PM

Anyone?

**P-funk** · 05-08-2003, 07:45 AM

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Anyone?

I'll go for it

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Should I just add a banana? Dextrose?

banana=fructose....not dextrose.

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Right now my post w/o shake is 40g Optimum Whey (2 scoops) in 16 oz with 1 tsp flax. I usually eat a few spoonfulls of brown rice with it.

this sounds pretty good. The benefit of adding dextrose is that it is going to give you an insulin spike. In the face of an insulin spike our bodies can not oxidixe fat so your post work out fat loss will be stopped for a couple of hours (something around 4hrs I believe). However, the insulin spike will shuttle the amino acids in your protein to your mucles qiucker as well as supressing cortisol release.

So which do you want? insulin spike or no insulin spike?

There are some people here that are going to tell you that insulin spiking post w/o is bad and other will tell you that it is the only way. All I am going to say is see what works for you. I personally don;t like to spike my insulin levels post workout (cutting or bulking). I have 2 scoops of whey with 1/2c oatmeal and then I eat a regular balanced meal 1-1.5hrs after that. This has really worked well for me. Others benefit greatly from the insulin spike. So try both and see which one your body responds better to. Everyone is different

DaMayor · 05-08-2003, 07:59 AM

Sources of? Flax post w/o? Good or bad?

Monolith · 05-08-2003, 08:23 AM

While im not as experienced with body chemistry as most of you, i've tried to read up on the post w/o insulin spike debate, and come to the conclusion its not worth it.

I just time my w/o's so i have a good high protein meal with some fat about 30 mins before i hit the gym. Then about 60-90 mins after i get back, i'll have a 40g shake with some fat (and usually several strawberries).

Of course, one of these days im gonna do a cycle where i spike my insulin, just to see if there's really that big of a difference.

Dr. Pain · 05-08-2003, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by P-funk
I'll go for it

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banana=fructose....not dextrose.

this sounds pretty good. The benefit of adding dextrose is that it is going to give you an insulin spike. In the face of an insulin spike our bodies can not oxidixe fat so your post work out fat loss will be stopped for a couple of hours (something around 4hrs I believe). However, the insulin spike will shuttle the amino acids in your protein to your mucles qiucker as well as supressing cortisol release.

So which do you want? insulin spike or no insulin spike?

There are some people here that are going to tell you that insulin spiking post w/o is bad and other will tell you that it is the only way. All I am going to say is see what works for you. I personally don;t like to spike my insulin levels post workout (cutting or bulking). I have 2 scoops of whey with 1/2c oatmeal and then I eat a regular balanced meal 1-1.5hrs after that. This has really worked well for me. Others benefit greatly from the insulin spike. So try both and see which one your body responds better to. Everyone is different

Awesome

DP

DaMayor · 05-08-2003, 09:08 AM

Hey P! You got the big thumbs up from a Super Moderator Oooooooooh!

Do a Cape and Theme Song come with that title, DP?

Dr. Pain · 05-08-2003, 12:39 PM

P-funk....(along with many others here)

I just want to tell you that your knowledge, the way you express this knowledge and yourself (and I've noticed for a long time), and willingness to help others is incredible...and I hope DM has not made you or anyone fear the "Thumb"

Thanks!

DP (heading to my "roasting" now...lol)

DaMayor · 05-08-2003, 12:41 PM

Careful Andy.

w8lifter · 05-08-2003, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by DaMayor
Careful Andy.

LMFAO!

Dr. Pain · 05-08-2003, 01:08 PM

:nofuckingsmiliecantellyouhowmuchIhatebeingcalledA ndyandwithherlaughingatitIjusthavetolaughtoo:

k:

DaMayor · 05-08-2003, 01:42 PM

**Jodi** · 05-08-2003, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by Dr. Pain
:nofuckingsmiliecantellyouhowmuchIhatebeingcalledA ndyandwithherlaughingatitIjusthavetolaughtoo:

k:

Love the make your own smily

**P-funk** · 05-08-2003, 03:00 PM

hmmmm? the tone of this thread has really changed a lot since I read the original postings earilier this morning

thanks for the thumd DP

kuso · 05-08-2003, 07:01 PM

Well fuck me....look at all these off topic posts....not a one of which has been deleted!

DaMayor · 05-09-2003, 07:05 AM

Well, I agree with ya.....but I'm not going to do the wild thing with ya!

Double Standard!
Double Standard!
Double Standard!
Double Standard!
Double Standard!

kuso · 05-09-2003, 07:16 AM

while I agree with you agreeing with me.....I`m glad you don`t wanna do the wild thing with me, cuz it aint happening

DaMayor · 05-09-2003, 07:22 AM

Cool.

Maybe you could talk to Tank?

kuso · 05-09-2003, 07:26 AM

Why man? You wanna do the wild thing with him?

DaMayor · 05-09-2003, 08:15 AM

Careful Aussie.

kuso · 05-09-2003, 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by DaMayor
Careful Aussie.

You are right...the defender of all things off topic my swoop down and delete this thread if we aren`t careful

Tank316 · 05-09-2003, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by DaMayor
Cool.

Maybe you could talk to Tank?

DaMayor · 05-09-2003, 08:37 AM

Oh come on big boy....You'd do anything for a protein shake and an insulin spike! (trying to keep things on track here)

**gopro** · 05-13-2003, 04:58 PM

Dextrose = good idea
Fructose = bad idea

pumpthatiron · 10-29-2004, 11:42 AM

I thought funk said that dextrose isn't that good..? so how should i make my protein shake because i don't have access to real food carbs right after working out.. is there some powder that gives me carbs but also helps me continue my fat burning as funk mentioned above?

**Pirate!** · 10-29-2004, 11:52 AM

There is nothing wrong with dextrose post-workout. Just don't consume more calories than you need, and you won't store any fat. For burning fat, stick with slow burning (low GI) carbs at all other meals.

IONOR · 10-30-2004, 10:05 AM

The most optimal PWO shake should contain a 50/50 mix of a simple carb (Dextrose is best) and a more complex carb (Maltodextrin is best) Whey and Water.
You want to stay as far away from Fructiose PWO as this will replenish Liver Glycogen levels but not muscle glycogen. You also want to make this a shake in water as it is faster digesting than whole food (a whole food meal will take rouighly 2hours to hit your blood stream and by this point you have been Catabollic for far to long and any gains from your workout are unlikely)

05-07-2003, 09:26 PM	#1
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05-08-2003, 03:00 PM	#14
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05-13-2003, 04:58 PM	#24
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IONOR Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bonnybridge/Scotland Posts: 111	The most optimal PWO shake should contain a 50/50 mix of a simple carb (Dextrose is best) and a more complex carb (Maltodextrin is best) Whey and Water. You want to stay as far away from Fructiose PWO as this will replenish Liver Glycogen levels but not muscle glycogen. You also want to make this a shake in water as it is faster digesting than whole food (a whole food meal will take rouighly 2hours to hit your blood stream and by this point you have been Catabollic for far to long and any gains from your workout are unlikely)
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05-07-2003, 09:28 PM	#2
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	Anyone?

05-08-2003, 07:59 AM	#4
DaMayor Dan's the Man! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,771	Sources of? Flax post w/o? Good or bad?

05-08-2003, 08:23 AM	#5
Monolith OMGWTFBBQ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: MA Posts: 4,002	While im not as experienced with body chemistry as most of you, i've tried to read up on the post w/o insulin spike debate, and come to the conclusion its not worth it. I just time my w/o's so i have a good high protein meal with some fat about 30 mins before i hit the gym. Then about 60-90 mins after i get back, i'll have a 40g shake with some fat (and usually several strawberries). Of course, one of these days im gonna do a cycle where i spike my insulin, just to see if there's really that big of a difference.

05-08-2003, 09:08 AM	#7
DaMayor Dan's the Man! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,771	Hey P! You got the big thumbs up from a *Super Moderator* Oooooooooh! Do a Cape and Theme Song come with that title, DP?

05-08-2003, 12:39 PM	#8
Dr. Pain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Get the Duct Tape...I'm Ripped Again! Posts: 11,239	P-funk....(along with many others here) I just want to tell you that your knowledge, the way you express this knowledge and yourself (and I've noticed for a long time), and willingness to help others is incredible...and I hope DM has not made you or anyone fear the "Thumb" Thanks! DP (heading to my "roasting" now...lol)

05-08-2003, 12:41 PM	#9
DaMayor Dan's the Man! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,771	Careful Andy.

05-08-2003, 01:08 PM	#11
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DaMayor Dan's the Man! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,771

05-08-2003, 07:01 PM	#15
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	Well fuck me....look at all these off topic posts....not a one of which has been deleted!

05-09-2003, 07:05 AM	#16
DaMayor Dan's the Man! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,771	Well, I agree with ya.....but I'm not going to do the wild thing with ya! Double Standard! Double Standard! Double Standard! Double Standard! Double Standard!

05-09-2003, 07:16 AM	#17
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	while I agree with you agreeing with me.....I`m glad you don`t wanna do the wild thing with me, cuz it aint happening

05-09-2003, 07:22 AM	#18
DaMayor Dan's the Man! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,771	Cool. Maybe you could talk to Tank?

05-09-2003, 07:26 AM	#19
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	Why man? You wanna do the wild thing with him?

05-09-2003, 08:15 AM	#20
DaMayor Dan's the Man! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,771	Careful Aussie.

05-09-2003, 08:37 AM	#23
DaMayor Dan's the Man! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here. Posts: 5,771	Oh come on big boy....You'd do anything for a protein shake and an insulin spike! (trying to keep things on track here)

10-29-2004, 11:42 AM	#25
pumpthatiron Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 644 Photos: 5	I thought funk said that dextrose isn't that good..? so how should i make my protein shake because i don't have access to real food carbs right after working out.. is there some powder that gives me carbs but also helps me continue my fat burning as funk mentioned above?