Thread: bulking/cutting

No.

Only one month of bulking and switching to cutting and the calorie surplus police will hunt you down and take you out.

Originally posted by raider6969
can u do 1 month bulk and then 1 month cut? or maybe 2 month or 3 month?

Yes, but you would probably lose most of the muscle from the bulk month during the cut month.

i had once read an article with a 2 week bulk followed by a 2 week cut. for the bulk,u eat 2 times the amount of maintence calories and on cut ,half the calories

Originally posted by raider6969
i had once read an article with a 2 week bulk followed by a 2 week cut. for the bulk,u eat 2 times the amount of maintence calories and on cut ,half the calories

You can do anything you want, but my trainer is against it because newly acquired muscle is the first to go. It sounds to me like you would go nowhere. Bulk for a year and then cut for three months, or bulk for two years and cut for three months.

Originally posted by craig777
Yes, but you would probably lose most of the muscle from the bulk month during the cut month.

Er...Not true.

daddy- can u explain?

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Er...Not true.

Well, you would definately lose some muscle during the cut, so which muscle would be lost first.

Oh, by the way TCD, my IQ is 164

say u gain 5 pounds,how much of would be lost?

Originally posted by raider6969
daddy- can u explain?

With good dieting strategy there's no reason to consider any muscle loss, depending upon the length of the diet and what bodyfat you're at and aiming to hit.

Originally posted by craig777
Well, you would definately lose some muscle during the cut, so which muscle would be lost first.

Yeah, usually as a natural you stand to drop some muscle. Usually, not always.

In fact, given regular refeeds around training it is very possible to add muscle periodically.

But it is quite dependant upon the "good dieting strategy" i referred to in the previous post.

Oh, by the way TCD, my IQ is 164

Out of a possible?

I got a 128 out of a possible 157, which is well above average.

instead of bulking for 7-8 months ang cutting thereafter for 4 months, does it make any for bulking 1-2 months and cutting for a month? like that u dont get too fat?

Originally posted by raider6969
say u gain 5 pounds,how much of would be lost?

Depends whether you're referring to 5lbs muscle gain or 5lbs bodyweight gain.

And even then there's not gonna be a universal result for everyone.

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Yeah, usually as a natural you stand to drop some muscle. Usually, not always.

In fact, given regular refeeds around training it is very possible to add muscle periodically.

But it is quite dependant upon the "good dieting strategy" i referred to in the previous post.



Out of a possible?

I got a 128 out of a possible 157, which is well above average.

Average: 85 - 115
Above average: 116 - 125
Gifted Borderline Genius: 126 - 135
Highly gifted and appearing to be a Genius to most others: 136 - 145
Genius: 146 - 165
High Genius: 166 - 180
Highest Genius: 181 - 200
Beyond being measurable Genius: Over 200


I guess that is why yours is only 128

Originally posted by raider6969
instead of bulking for 7-8 months ang cutting thereafter for 4 months, does it make any for bulking 1-2 months and cutting for a month? like that u dont get too fat?

Go for it.

I tend to do them in patterns of 16 weeks each myself, but that's just me.

i was talking about 5 pound muscle gain

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Go for it.

I tend to do them in patterns of 16 weeks each myself, but that's just me. [/QUOTE


u do 16 week bulk folloed by 16 week cut?

Originally posted by craig777
Average: 85 - 115
Above average: 116 - 125
Gifted Borderline Genius: 126 - 135
Highly gifted and appearing to be a Genius to most others: 136 - 145
Genius: 146 - 165
High Genius: 166 - 180
Highest Genius: 181 - 200
Beyond being measurable Genius: Over 200


I guess that is why yours is only 128

Ummm....did you miss the "out of a possible 157" part of my post?

Of the test i did, the maxmimum score available for anyone was 157.

Due to his amazing IQ, I agree with TCD.

In fact, I have recently let go of the bulk/cut approach long term. I will do this occassionally, as it is quite effective, but I am not on to a continual "recomposition" where my bulk and/or cut may last a day, or a few weeks.

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Ummm....did you miss the "out of a possible 157" part of my post?

Of the test i did, the maxmimum score available for anyone was 157.

Well then what is your real IQ, mine is 164

Oh and I think you have to get out of your head about putting some fat on, it is going to happen

so , i should give it a try ( 2 month bulk, 1 month cut)? im on a cut right now.

Originally posted by craig777
Well then what is your real IQ, mine is 164

Oh and I think you have to get out of your head about putting some fat on, it is going to happen

Typically yes, but with the proper repartitioning agents, it is not necessary any more.

I have been dieting for 11 weeks.

Have dropped 20 lbs.

Have lost 4 1/2 inches on my waist.

Have gained strength. And,

Have added muscle.

Originally posted by raider6969

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Go for it.

I tend to do them in patterns of 16 weeks each myself, but that's just me.

u do 16 week bulk folloed by 16 week cut?

I most certainly do.

Just try keep your bulks controlled as far as calories go to keep fat accumulation minimal - refer to it more as a "gaining phase". During this time, expect anything from 5-7lbs weight gain from retaining food (which you'll drop most of when you start eating less when dieting) and of the rest, aim for about 8-10lbs of quality mass. You should manage this by aiming to add like 0.5lbs a week. So control calories to do so.

And for your cutting, control weight loss to ensure minimal muscle loss, so amend calories so you lose about 1.5lbs per week max. 1lb is right about on the money, but as you get leaner don't expect this to keep up. And do regular refeeds - about once a week if you're around the 12-15% region, and more frequently if you're leaner - you decide how frequent depending on when you need them. Keep them clean and do them around training - but before training don't gorge on carbs or you may feel heavy and lethargic and end up having a mediocre workout. Gorge aftwards if anything.

Oh, and don't diet for more than about ten weeks at a time. After ten weeks, take a week "off" where you gradually increase calories to about 200kcals over maintenance and sit there for a few days before beginning to adjust calories back into deficit. This should allow some metabolic reset (to some degree).

And, um...Yeah.

proper repartitioning agents

Well, I will show my ignorance on this. What the heck are those

Tricks and supplements that cause more calories to go to muscle and less to fat.

Originally posted by craig777
Well, I will show my ignorance on this. What the heck are those

Secret Stuff.TM

Also, what works best, differs across phenotypes.

Well actually, partitioning is "where the calories go", basically.

Positive partioning means more to muscle, less to fat.

Negative is obviously the opposite.

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Tricks and supplements that cause more calories to go to muscle and less to fat.

The definition of Secret Stuff.TM

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Typically yes, but with the proper repartitioning agents, it is not necessary any more.

I have been dieting for 11 weeks.

Have dropped 20 lbs.

Have lost 4 1/2 inches on my waist.

Have gained strength. And,

Have added muscle.