Bars on a Cut

**Jodi** · 07-01-2003, 12:25 PM

I just want to get some other peoples opinions about eating Protein Bars while cutting. I don't because of the poor source of carbs in them, mainly the sugars and glycerin.

I only use bars as a cheat every now and then like Detour and U-Turn. Well I also picked up a OneWay and I'm gonna try it this week.

Does anyone here eat them while cutting? If so, what kinds and why do you feel they are ok while cutting?

**Robboe** · 07-01-2003, 12:36 PM

Not regularly, but here and there and i don't give a shit.

It all ends up as aminos, glucose and fatty acids before it can pass through the intestinal wall. It's just that particular foods help stave off hunger better than others.

**Prince** · 07-01-2003, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by Jodi
Does anyone here eat them while cutting? If so, what kinds and why do you feel they are ok while cutting?

I have found that it's very difficult to get sub 10% using bars, cut them out.

**DaMayor** · 07-01-2003, 01:41 PM

It's pretty clear that decreasing BF for those below the 8-10% range is a much greater challenge. But what about individuals above 10-12%? There are many low carb, low/no (obvious) sugar bars available........as long as these are eaten as a meal and not a snack/cheat, what would be detremental?

**sawheet** · 07-01-2003, 01:44 PM

BARS MAKE YOU FAT!! Stay away, trust me.

**Jodi** · 07-01-2003, 01:45 PM

I don't eat them while cutting except for a cheat. I'm just getting opinions.

See one of my sisters is about 18% bodyfat and she asked help with her diet so I made a plan for her and she's been doing well the past 2 weeks. Well the other day she bought 3 boxes of Designer Whey bars because they were on clearance at someplace in the mall for $3.00 a box. She wants to eat them, 1 each morning for her breakfast instead of a shake. I suggested her not to but she insists and whatever I tell her about them she doesn't believe because she says they still work into her plan so why not.

So, I thought I'd ask around on other peoples opinions about bars while cutting.

**DaMayor** · 07-01-2003, 01:55 PM

*packing up bars for return*

I did the same thing. I bought some MET-Rx Protein Plus bars the other day, (.25 each...couldn't help myself) and although they aren't ideal, they sure help when I'm in a major pinch....which is more often these days. Beats not eating, wouldn't you say?

**Jodi** · 07-01-2003, 04:18 PM

There must be a good sale somewhere. Take those bars back DM!

**Julie7Ulie** · 07-02-2003, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by DaMayor
It's pretty clear that decreasing BF for those below the 8-10% range is a much greater challenge. But what about individuals above 10-12%? There are many low carb, low/no (obvious) sugar bars available........as long as these are eaten as a meal and not a snack/cheat, what would be detremental?

But wouldnt the low sugar bars still have the fatty acid effect?

I found this company, what are they, carbo-lite? (Dont remember

) They make little candy bar things and protein bars that have 0 sugars, 1 carb - I think they make it with artificial sweeteners..

I guess Im asking is if Splenda or Sweet & Low is used as a sweetener, why cant we consume the bars made out of them ?

Just curious...

**DaMayor** · 07-02-2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Julie7Ulie
But wouldnt the low sugar bars still have the fatty acid effect?

I found this company, what are they, carbo-lite? (Dont remember

) They make little candy bar things and protein bars that have 0 sugars, 1 carb - I think they make it with artificial sweeteners..

I guess Im asking is if Splenda or Sweet & Low is used as a sweetener, why cant we consume the bars made out of them ?

Just curious...

Uh Oh, here we go.....

I've often asked the same question, since the majority of the bars or other products I've used are made with Splenda/Sucralose. However, there are many here who would argue that glycerin, and all of the other "non-impact" carbs do have an impact on "weight loss".
There. I've opened that can of worms again........Jodi? FF? TCD?

**Jodi** · 07-02-2003, 09:34 AM

Yup its the glycerine and how your body converts it!

Quoting from Dr. Pain

Most of the low carb bars have about 40-70 unexplained calories of glycerine (glycerol), This is a sugar alcohol and does not have to appear in the carb count, it both moistens and sweetens the bar at 4.3 calories per gram. The trouble is, when you store fat. the body converts triglycerides to glycerol to fat. Could this be why glycerol doesn't raise insulin levels? So why give your body something that is one metabolyte away from fat? Everyone I know gets immediately leaner when they give up bars! Additionally, usually the second ingredient is hydrolized geletan, this is garbage protein!

Side Effects of sugar alcohols....They can cause abdominal discomfort and bloating and they also have a laxative effect. Consumption of 30 to 50 grams of sorbitol or xylitol, or 20 grams of mannitol, causes diarrhea in most people.

OK, when you store fat, your body converts glucose, to triglyceride, to glycerol, to FAT! Glycerol and glycerine are interchangable words, they are a sugar alcohol and don't raise insulin level, but are one metabolite away from fat. Glycerine is used to sweeten and moisten bars, and does not have to be included in the carb count, but it does have to be in the calorie count!

So take your bar, (the new WWS Lemon is really bad, so are Biochem bars!) add up the P, C, And F at 4, 4, and 9 calories respectively. You will be left with 40-75 calories of glycerine. Divide that by 4.3 and you get grams of glycerine, usually 10-18!

Anyone on a cut will become leaner within days of giving up bars! I have done and seen this many times, especially watching guys "BLOW UP" post contest!

**Julie7Ulie** · 07-02-2003, 09:43 AM

So the enemy ingredient is sugar alcohols. Same goes for sugar-free gum then I assume..

Any bars out there without sugar alcohols and hydrolized geletan?

**Robboe** · 07-02-2003, 10:08 AM

Like i said earlier, here and there and i don't give a shit. Just not as a staple.

If i could access Avant, i'd pull up some info by Spook about potentially using glycerine strategically to enhance cellular hydration and impact AMPK.

**Robboe** · 07-02-2003, 10:10 AM

"OK, when you store fat, your body converts glucose, to triglyceride, to glycerol, to FAT!"

Just so you know, this is the process for de neuvo lipogenesis - a process that only occurs under certain circumstances (usually extremes) and only accounts for about 7% of the calories taken in from glucose. i.e. Is quite insignificant itself, but it alters the enzyme profile of the cell for the worse.

You can also store the fat you eat.

**Fit Freak** · 07-02-2003, 01:49 PM

IMO...look at the big picture....if it fits within the caloric restrictions of the diet I say they're fine now and again....not regularly since they're hard...for me anyway...to kill the hunger pains and like we all know they're not the best source of carbs, fat, and protein.

I'm with Mudge on this one...occasionally go ahead just be sure to account for the cals.....

**DaMayor** · 07-02-2003, 01:54 PM

*puts down MET-Rx for sale sign*

Whew, thanks FF.

Like I said earlier, I don't eat them as a snack between my regularly scheduled meals, only as a meal if for some reason I have no other option available.

**Robboe** · 07-02-2003, 01:56 PM

Either Fit Freak is seeing things or my eyes are being selectively blind, cause i don't see a Mudge post in here.

**Jodi** · 07-02-2003, 02:06 PM

Me neither

Now if I can only convince her that one a day is not good.

**JB_427** · 07-02-2003, 02:07 PM

I eat one of those little splenda made bars whenever chocolate is giving me the look.

oh well, whatever works for yer sweet ivory's!

But they are REALLY freaking small. Its like eating your thumb

**DaMayor** · 07-02-2003, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Either Fit Freak is seeing things or my eyes are being selectively blind, cause i don't see a Mudge post in here.

Must be the bars he's eating.

**JB_427** · 07-02-2003, 02:20 PM

There is a difference between bars though people.

They're all bad, but some are much MUCH worse than others. Like the freaking One-Ways! 12 g of pure sugar.

Im not cutting like you guys are, but damn, thats a lot of freaking hard sugar!

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