milk as a good source of protein?

**Skib** · 07-06-2003, 02:50 PM

nutrional info for 250 mL of 1% milk

108 cals
8.5 g protein
2.5 g fat
12 g carb

assuming 1 glass of milk is approx 500 mL and I drink at least 2 glasses a day that's about 1L of milk per day

1L milk = 432 cals, 34 g protein, 10 g fat, 48 g carbs

right now i'm pretty much just trying to build a base for some intense weight training this winter... i'm trying to shed most of my excess fat and put on a little muscle at the same time... so what i've been trying to do is take in lots of protein (i shoot for 150-200 g per day and weigh about 195 lbs) and just pretty much stay away from processed foods and crap in general... however, 48 g of carbs seems pretty high... i'm not too worried about my carb intake right now, although i'm sure i should be... i know i don't over do the carbs and i try not to eat any in the evenings but i don't really measure how much i'm taking in... i've been hitting up the gym about 5 days a week with weight training and 20 min cardio session after each work out... is that enough to burn off the carbs?

also, i've been substituting a lot of what i used to drink with water so maybe that helps balance out my carb intake

**Prince** · 07-07-2003, 11:28 AM

Yes milk is a good source of protein. The only proteins with a higher bv is whey and eggs.

**Jodi** · 07-07-2003, 01:25 PM

If your drinking milk and still losing bodyfat than don't worry about it. When your progress slows down and you want to continue to lose then maybe think about cutting out some of the milk.

If its working for you then don't change it, its when its not working anymore then worry about it.

**Skib** · 07-07-2003, 01:36 PM

i'm losing some body fat but not as much and not as quickly as i was hoping... i tried the new ephedra free hydroxycut and i must say that stuff is totally useless... i'm done the bottle and i don't think it contributed to any of my fat burnage... i'd say it was more a result of all the cardio i've been doing... so sadly, i think i might go back on ephedrine for a month or two just to burn the fat quicker... i was only taking 6 caps of hydroxycut a day though and it recommends 3 caps 4 times a day with meals... but these things are like horse pills and i just wasn't too sure about eating 12 of them a day... plus the bottle would've been gone within 2 weeks if i had've taken that many per day... i dunno... i don't think any weight loss supplement without ephedrine in it is worth wasting your money on...

**Skib** · 07-07-2003, 01:38 PM

also, in regards to milk... i've been drinking enough of it for the protein, but it seems really high in carbs... i'm not too sure if that's a good thing or not... but no matter what i could never completely eliminate milk from my diet... i'll always need at least one glass per day...

**Freeman** · 07-08-2003, 08:30 AM

milk is sooooooooooooo gross!!!

**leg_press** · 07-08-2003, 09:32 AM

I was told that drinking kilk was a cardinal sin, because milk contains alot of 'hidden' simple sugars, and yet a guy I know who used to train with Mr Europe told me to drink 1pint of milk first thing in the morning and a pint of milk last thing at night.

**derekisdman** · 07-08-2003, 09:53 AM

Skibb I don't think any weight loss supplement is worth wasting your money on period. Do as you wish though.

**OceanDude** · 07-08-2003, 09:58 AM

I personally don't like or take milk either (except for the extracted pure milk protein, "caesin", that is added in to some multi-species protein powders). But when you look at milk from a nutritional point of view it initially appears to be just about an ideal meal unto its self. With 44% carb, 31% protein, 21% fat it's "right in there" with some of the recommended fat loss macro nutrient ratios. And caesin ain't no shabby protein either. The only issue (apart from lactose intolerance/caesin-allergic factors for some) is that it's carbs are largely lactose-sugar (but GI is remarkably only 31 due to the sugar, in the presence of the fat being a fairly low impacting disaccharide that must first be broken down into glucose & galactose). But the slightly bad thing is that of the fat it contains 1.5 gm of saturated (60% of the fat) and not enough of the good essential fatty acid variety (e.g. a mono or polly unsat) for an "optimum" meal - but it ain't bad. That comes out to 21% of the caloric value from fat - but ther are a lot worse foods out there. But 1% milk with a natural high fiber cereal and perhaps an added bit of protein powder is an excellent meal really. I just don't do milk myself since it's got a ton of other things in it in the micronutrient domain that are not too closely regulated and varies from dairy farm to dairy farm (including hormones, antibiotocs, chemicals etc.).

**Mudge** · 07-08-2003, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by leg_press
I was told that drinking kilk was a cardinal sin, because milk contains alot of 'hidden' simple sugars

Lactose is sugar, look at the carb content for milk. Everyone responds differently to caloric intake in terms of carbs etc IMO, but for the most part people trying to stay lean avoid dairy. No carbs after 6PM is a common rule for some trying to stay lean also.

**Skib** · 07-08-2003, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by derekisdman
Skibb I don't think any weight loss supplement is worth wasting your money on period. Do as you wish though.

i don't fully agree with that... yes, the hydroxycut was useless, however, i had tremendous results last year using xenadrine (w/ ephedrine & caffeine)

it's too bad i got lazy and stopped training and put on a bunch of weight during my first year at school

**Freeman** · 07-08-2003, 11:02 AM

I'm not too familiar with hydroxycut and xenadrine, but don't they contain the same exact thing and same amounts? I'm a ripped fuel guy myself..but was told twin labs no longer makes it, so I bought some new shit from one of the few companies still producing ephedra products

**Mudge** · 07-08-2003, 11:19 AM

Xenadrine (or FX) is now made without Ephedrine.

**Freeman** · 07-08-2003, 11:45 AM

yeah, but I was talking about the old stuff.

**Mudge** · 07-08-2003, 12:04 PM

Which is why I said "now"

I think they call it Xenadrine FX to denote the difference but I'm not sure.

**Freeman** · 07-08-2003, 12:37 PM

I think it is Xenadrine EFX actually..whatever, I'll still use ephedra..I ain't scared

I bought some stuff called "Hydroxadrine" haha this guy just combined the two names...clever little bastard.

**Mudge** · 07-08-2003, 01:29 PM

Your right, I just saw the post in the supps forum, Ephedrine Free Xenadrine, duhh.

I use Ephedrine, but still I swear dangit nothing compared to the first Ultimate Orange formula, that stuff ROCKED. Nothing has ever been as good, not that I've tried alot since then, plain old carbo drinks dont do it thats for sure.

**Freeman** · 07-08-2003, 05:34 PM

What was in Ultimate Orange? I can't remember for the life of me.

**Fit Freak** · 07-08-2003, 06:26 PM

Milk is an excellent source of protein but as mentionned it also contains carbs so if you're trying to reduce carb consumption stick to other protein sources such as meats, fish, eggs, and whey.

As for no carbs after 6pm I totally disagree with that...JMO....it all depends on your lifestyle...for example if you train early in the am it is a good thought to consider BUT if you train after dinner as I do you need carbs for energy as well as to replenish glycogen stores.

As far as the Mr. Europe drinking lots of milk we must realize that what works for one will not work for all...everyone is different and responds to certain foods differently. It also depends on your goals also...if your bulking milk is excellent...if you're nearing the end of a stubborn cut I would definately drop the milk....or at least consume it early in the day...like for breakfast.

**Mudge** · 07-08-2003, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by freeman1504
What was in Ultimate Orange? I can't remember for the life of me.

25mg Ephedrine per serving (as I recall, it varied by bodyweight though), and some OTHER STUFF

I did a quick search a couple days ago and supposedly there is a similar product, but I have not tried it.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cn/revenge.html

Ginko Biloba and UO are about the only products I feel like pimping.

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