Protein or not before morning walk?

**JJJ** · 10-29-2003, 12:02 PM

Before walking in the morning

A) Nothing at all to eat
or
B)some 20 g of protein in the shape of a proteinshake...

A or B? Which is better for keeping muscle and losing fat?
Ive been reading that A is best, then B then A again... Maybee nobody knows?

**naturalguy** · 10-29-2003, 12:22 PM

a. is good if you want to lose muscle

**BabsieGirl** · 10-29-2003, 12:27 PM

Protein Shake.

DO NOT NOT EAT....You need to......do a simple protein drink. 30 to 60 min prior

**Jodi** · 10-29-2003, 12:28 PM

If your primary goal is to lose bodyfat then walking in the morning on an empty stomach is fine and you won't lose alot of muscle if any. Now if your main goal is build muscle then you are best to eat something before your walk.

**P-funk** · 10-29-2003, 12:34 PM

what kind of walk is this??? a stroll around the block? or is it more of a workout?

In my opinion either (a) or (b) is okay. On an empty stomach you will have a better chance at burning fat but drinking a 20g protein shake and getting some aminos in before your walk wont hurt either, just make sure you daily caloric intake is in check.

**BUSTINOUT** · 10-29-2003, 12:49 PM

I take an Isopure Zero Carb shake about 30 minutes before morning cardio.

**BabsieGirl** · 10-29-2003, 12:50 PM

Do you really burn more fat when you train on an empty stomach?
You'll probably hear many arguments for and against exercising on an empty stomach.

Proponents of exercising in a fasted state claim that you burn more fat. In theory, because your blood sugar levels are low, exercise on an empty stomach allows you to "dip" into fat stores more quickly.

Critics say that exercising for more than 30 minutes on an empty stomach is unhealthy. Without the necessary energy to fuel your workout, your body will start burning muscle protein for energy. They also advise against weight training on an empty stomach. Because a lot of energy is required for this kind of workout, you won’t be able to work your muscles hard enough to stimulate muscle growth.

The argument is likely to continue for some time. However, what you eat (or drink) before you exercise does have a big impact on what happens during exercise. New research, carried out over a period of several months, also shows that what you drink during exercise has a big impact on muscle growth.

Energy drinks
There are many energy drinks, such as Lucozade Sport and Gatorade, promoted for use before, during, and after exercise. Drinking Lucozade Sport before exercise, for example, is supposed to "ensure that the body is fully hydrated and that energy stores are topped up with a boost of carbohydrate to maximize performance."

**Jodi** · 10-29-2003, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by BabsieGirl
Do you really burn more fat when you train on an empty stomach?
You'll probably hear many arguments for and against exercising on an empty stomach.

Proponents of exercising in a fasted state claim that you burn more fat. In theory, because your blood sugar levels are low, exercise on an empty stomach allows you to "dip" into fat stores more quickly.

Critics say that exercising for more than 30 minutes on an empty stomach is unhealthy. Without the necessary energy to fuel your workout, your body will start burning muscle protein for energy. They also advise against weight training on an empty stomach. Because a lot of energy is required for this kind of workout, you won’t be able to work your muscles hard enough to stimulate muscle growth.

The argument is likely to continue for some time. However, both camps do agree on one point — that what you eat (or drink) before you exercise does have a big impact on what happens during exercise. New research, carried out over a period of several months, also shows that what you drink during exercise has a big impact on muscle growth.

Energy drinks
There are many energy drinks, such as Lucozade Sport and Gatorade, promoted for use before, during, and after exercise. Drinking Lucozade Sport before exercise, for example, is supposed to "ensure that the body is fully hydrated and that energy stores are topped up with a boost of carbohydrate to maximize performance."

This is a walk not resistance training. Lifting on an empty stomach is never advisable but walking is fine IMO!

**P-funk** · 10-29-2003, 12:54 PM

also, drinks like gatorade, in my opinion, are not optimal pre workout if your goal is fat loss because of the high amount of sugar in them,

**BabsieGirl** · 10-29-2003, 12:55 PM

Its a general comment in ref. to exercising on an empty stomach.

Imma have to go back to the IM slang dictionary. I forgot what IMO meant

**BabsieGirl** · 10-29-2003, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by P-funk
also, drinks like gatorade, in my opinion, are not optimal pre workout if your goal is fat loss because of the high amount of sugar in them,

Agreed, but. If you're sugars are too low Gat. will boost your electrolytes, etc... The only time I drink Gatorade is duing (the day) of competition. And that's sipping it.

There are other drinks people can purchase.

Also, it shouldn't hurt if you drink it responsibly. This doesn't mean you drink the entire contents in one session.

**Jodi** · 10-29-2003, 12:58 PM

But this is not a general question, is very specific to cardio therefore that post does not pertain to her question

IMO = In my opinion.

**P-funk** · 10-29-2003, 12:59 PM

IMO=Im my opinion

**BabsieGirl** · 10-29-2003, 01:00 PM

Cardio is a type of exercise, right? I consider cardio part of training. I think maybe I just have a dif. def. of training and the way I take it. Sorry all if I've confused ya

**JJJ** · 10-29-2003, 01:20 PM

So basicly I am as half of you are saying one thing and the other half another.

It would be nice to find a 2400 pages "the effects on consuming moderate amounts of protein before walkin in the morning trying to keep muscle and burn fat" study. Or maybee one a bit shorter.

**ZECH** · 10-29-2003, 01:25 PM

I think Jodi hit it on the head. For fat loss, you need to do cardio on an empty stomach. Now granted it won't help you gain muscle, but a 30min to 1 hour session will not harm you too bad. Now if you are trying to gain muscle(bulk) and do cardio during the week to keep excess fat off, I think you need the protein for anti-catabolic purposes!

**P-funk** · 10-29-2003, 01:28 PM

See, babsiegirl (in reference to my "sarcastic" comment in the other thread), this is why I make such blunt statments, because people get a million different answers and end up over complicating things.

JJJ, don;t beat youself up over this. You are walking in the moring, that is your cardio (aerobic activity). Whether you eat some protein or go on an empty stomach it shouldn't matter, just make sure that you have your daily calories in order and you will lose the wieght that you desire to lose. Go on how you feel....if you are hungry whre you rise then have the shake and take the walk and subract those cals form some other meal during the day. If you wake and find that you can do without the shake then take your walk and consume thsoe cals at someother point in the day.

peace,
patrick

**BabsieGirl** · 10-29-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by BabsieGirl
JJJ -- It all boils down to people have their own opinions what works best. Some people agree and disagree.

I stated my opinion and what I feel works and so have other IM members. Thing is....experiment with your body. Take notes and see what happens. Still wouldn't recommend you exercise with out anything in your stomach.

Hey...I'm quoting myself. lol

Also, Dg is correct. Me myself, I wouldn't do cardio with out eating because of my goals. I will say there are times I do cardio with out eating.

**naturalguy** · 10-29-2003, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by dg806
I think Jodi hit it on the head. For fat loss, you need to do cardio on an empty stomach. Now granted it won't help you gain muscle, but a 30min to 1 hour session will not harm you too bad. Now if you are trying to gain muscle(bulk) and do cardio during the week to keep excess fat off, I think you need the protein for anti-catabolic purposes!

I disagree. You have just gone 8-10 hours without taking in any calories. Now you are going to do cardio which requires energy. Contrary to popular belief the body does not dip into it's bodyfat stores for energy first. It is looking for glucose which, if you don't take in any calories, it will get from breaking down stored protein........muscle. You will burn some fat and some muscle. You are much better off with a small shake after all it's not about how much you burn during cardio, the advantage is how much it raises your metabolism.

**Jodi** · 10-29-2003, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by BabsieGirl
Hey...I'm quoting myself. lol

Also, Dg is correct. Me myself, I wouldn't do cardio with out eating because of my goals. I will say there are times I do cardio with out eating.

**ZECH** · 10-29-2003, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by naturalguy
I disagree. You have just gone 8-10 hours without taking in any calories. Now you are going to do cardio which requires energy. Contrary to popular belief the body does not dip into it's bodyfat stores for energy first. It is looking for glucose which, if you don't take in any calories, it will get from breaking down stored protein........muscle. You will burn some fat and some muscle. You are much better off with a small shake after all it's not about how much you burn during cardio, the advantage is how much it raises your metabolism.

If that is the case, then it would burn all muscle first and leave us a big ball of blubber!

**JJJ** · 10-29-2003, 01:39 PM

First of all, thx for the answers.

But this isnt one of those "do what works for you" things, I belive all humans are built the same and would respond the same (atleast I belive that in this issue) That said there has to be a golden amount of protein to consume when walkin X distance at X speed.

And Im not trying to either gain muscle or lose fat, Im doing both. (yeah, I know everyone says its impossible, but it can be done, Ive done it before. Maybee you cant do it on a 5 % or less bodyfat though)

**BabsieGirl** · 10-29-2003, 01:41 PM

JJJ no one responds the same.

**Jodi** · 10-29-2003, 01:42 PM

I do it all the time, gain LBM while losing bodyfat. When (and let me just state that its a very rare occassion) I do morning cardio, I will do it on an empty stomach if I'm cutting.

**P-funk** · 10-29-2003, 01:44 PM

Jodi............closet cardio queen.......

see.....cute

**BabsieGirl** · 10-29-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by JJJ
And Im not trying to either gain muscle or lose fat, Im doing both. (yeah, I know everyone says its impossible, but it can be done, Ive done it before. Maybee you cant do it on a 5 % or less bodyfat though)

It's not impossible to gain muscle while burning the fat.......

If you've done it before....why are you asking us?

You can do it on 5% b/f. I'm not going to waste my time answering this one.....I've seen people at my gym put more muscle on while being leaner than someone who is trying to lost fat. I'll just say, you can gain muscle while being your leanest. Cat. state.

**ZECH** · 10-29-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by BabsieGirl
JJJ no one responds the same.

Very true! That is why you can't specifically give someone a diet to follow!

**JJJ** · 10-29-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by BabsieGirl
JJJ no one responds the same.

Sure we do. Everyone needs air to breath, protein to build muscle. Then ofcourse genetics and whatever plays its part, but one the basic stuff were all the same.

**Jodi** · 10-29-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by P-funk
Jodi............closet cardio queen.......

see.....cute

Yah right! Thats a funny!

Freaking cardio sucks.

**JJJ** · 10-29-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by BabsieGirl

If you've done it before....why are you asking us?

One can always improve ones knowledge. If hitting the protein stuff spot on maybe Ill do everything 1 week faster? Or whatever. Point is, there is always room for improvment.

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