You need fat need to build muscle?

leg_press · 03-23-2004, 10:44 AM

This has got me really confused, some people ( including IFBB Pro Mike Sheridan) have told me that if I eat six high protein, high carb, low fat meals equally spaced during the day, as long as I train and eat healthily I will make gains. But other people have told me that I need to put fat on first.

Can I get a 100% definate answer.

Do you need fat to build muscle?

BabsieGirl · 03-23-2004, 11:34 AM

Everything you read and everything you hear is a matter of ones opinion.

Have you followed the book for at least 6 weeks prior to this post?

**calalily1972** · 03-23-2004, 11:47 AM

You don't need fat to build muscle.

Clean bulking is the answer. That way you gain minimal fat while building LBM. Check out the sticky at the top of the forum called Guide to cutting, bulking........for sample diets on a clean bulk.

blest · 03-23-2004, 11:55 AM

It depends on your body type....ectomorph, endomorph, etc...bottom line, if you want to bulk, you need a calorie surplus (in excess of your daily maintainance level). I'm an ectomorph (fairly small boned, 6'2", now @ 198#, but over the winter I go on the seefood diet......I see food; I eat it [within reason....no ice cream binges!), but you will probably gain some fat along with the muscle....like Jodi said....eat reasonable clean and you'll be fine....but eat LOTS of protein

squanto · 03-23-2004, 12:29 PM

im also seeing good results on the seefood diet. im pretty skinny naturally (was about 130# at 5'10" before i started piggin out). i just try to see food thats better for muscle gains... meat, beans, cheese, etc. im not particularly worried about cutting cuz i have to work really hard to put on weight anyway.

camarosuper6 · 03-23-2004, 03:04 PM

Putting on a little bit of fat while bulking is normal, but I dont understand why people recommend putting on fat to help muscle gains.....

TheRoyalOne · 03-23-2004, 03:11 PM

If you are asking if you need fat in your diet to build mass then the answer is yes. Fat in you diet aids in the uptake of vitamins A and D and also aid in natural test production. Eating fat does not make you fat. Many people get the Omega-3 fatty acids via supps like fish oil or flax seed oil.

**Prince** · 03-23-2004, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by leg_press
This has got me really confused, some people ( including IFBB Pro Mike Sheridan) have told me that if I eat six high protein, high carb, low fat meals equally spaced during the day, as long as I train and eat healthily I will make gains. But other people have told me that I need to put fat on first.

Can I get a 100% definate answer.

Do you need fat to build muscle?

Listening to an IFBB PRo who is on large amounts of steroids is not the best place for advice. When you're using steroids it's easy to stay lean and gain muscle mass simultaneously, not so easy naturally.

When you're trying to gain mass, or "bulk", it's typical to gain some fat due to an increase in calories. The problem with staying lean is it's difficult to ensure that you're getting adequate calories, so by eating a little extra you ensure your gains, and it's inevitable that you will gain a little bit of fat. You will also find that with the extra fat and water weight you will have more strength allowing you to push bigger weights, and make more gains.

To answer the question, yes you can gain muscle without gaining fat, meaning it's physiologically possible, but difficult to do, and much more so naturally.

leg_press · 03-24-2004, 01:46 PM

Thank you evertyone, what I was told was that you needed to put fat on first before you can put on muscle. I don't mind the extra fat lord knows I need it. Just out of curiousity: How do you know that Mike is on steriods?. He doesn't have any needles marks in his arms or anything because I've been him training.

Vieope · 03-24-2004, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by leg_press
Do you need fat to build muscle?

Only if you have 2 or 3 % of bf

aztecwolf · 03-24-2004, 03:15 PM

i wasn't even showing up on the caliper tests i definately needed to add some

aggies1ut · 03-24-2004, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by aztecwolf
i wasn't even showing up on the caliper tests i definately needed to add some

You suck az. lol

aztecwolf · 03-24-2004, 09:28 PM

no, i was startin to look like "sucked az" i am at a much better state now, with more muscle and fat, feelin and lookin a whole hell of a lot better

aggies1ut · 03-24-2004, 09:30 PM

I know, lol. However, it's more fun to have to gain fat, than have to lose it.

aztecwolf · 03-24-2004, 09:35 PM

yeah serious i eat like a pig now, and no more hardcore 2 a days

**Mudge** · 03-25-2004, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by leg_press
Do you need fat to build muscle?

You need fat to be HEALTHY. This does not mean ANY form of fat.

What you are talking about though is bulking, and when a gear head bulks it usually means eating way beyond maintenance calories so that you put on as much LBM as possible. A natural guy bulking doesn't need to eat so crazily.

x~factor · 03-25-2004, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by Prince You will also find that with the extra fat and water weight you will have more strength allowing you to push bigger weights, and make more gains.

So true! Just found this out myself recently.

Vieope · 03-25-2004, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
You will also find that with the extra fat and water weight you will have more strength allowing you to push bigger weights, and make more gains.

Is that true ? How is that possible?

**P-funk** · 03-25-2004, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by Vieope
Is that true ? How is that possible?

It is true because:
a) mass equates mass....ie the more mas you have the more mass you should be able to move (in theory)

b) a little extra fat and water will protect the cells and joints as well as give way to extra energy to allow for some heavier lifts.

**calalily1972** · 03-25-2004, 04:32 PM

Think Powerlifters - they carry a MUCH higher bodyfat than the norm.

Regardless, you don't need fat to build muscle

Vieope · 03-25-2004, 04:37 PM

Thanks P-funk, Jodi .. it makes sense.

leg_press · 03-28-2004, 11:23 AM

okay cool, do you reckon my meal plan is okay though?

03-23-2004, 10:44 AM	#1
leg_press Starting a fresh Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England United Kingdom Posts: 1,196 Photos: 4	You fat need to build muscle? This has got me really confused, some people ( including IFBB Pro Mike Sheridan) have told me that if I eat six high protein, high carb, low fat meals equally spaced during the day, as long as I train and eat healthily I will make gains. But other people have told me that I need to put fat on first. Can I get a 100% definate answer. Do you need fat to build muscle? "Lift big, eat big, rest big" "Rome wasnt built in a day" "Go heavy or go home."

03-23-2004, 11:34 AM	#2
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03-23-2004, 03:04 PM	#6
camarosuper6 Unstoppable Force Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,415	Putting on a little bit of fat while bulking is normal, but I dont understand why people recommend putting on fat to help muscle gains..... "Show me a beautiful woman, and I'll show you a guy tired of screwing her"

03-23-2004, 03:11 PM	#7
TheRoyalOne Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: So.Cal. Posts: 321	If you are asking if you need fat in your diet to build mass then the answer is yes. Fat in you diet aids in the uptake of vitamins A and D and also aid in natural test production. Eating fat does not make you fat. Many people get the Omega-3 fatty acids via supps like fish oil or flax seed oil. "Know your limits... but never stop trying to exceed them." --Anon.

03-24-2004, 01:46 PM	#9
leg_press Starting a fresh Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England United Kingdom Posts: 1,196 Photos: 4	Thank you evertyone, what I was told was that you needed to put fat on first before you can put on muscle. I don't mind the extra fat lord knows I need it. Just out of curiousity: How do you know that Mike is on steriods?. He doesn't have any needles marks in his arms or anything because I've been him training. "Lift big, eat big, rest big" "Rome wasnt built in a day" "Go heavy or go home."

03-23-2004, 11:47 AM	#3
calalily1972 Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,438 Photos: 1	You don't need fat to build muscle. Clean bulking is the answer. That way you gain minimal fat while building LBM. Check out the sticky at the top of the forum called Guide to cutting, bulking........for sample diets on a clean bulk.

03-23-2004, 11:55 AM	#4
blest Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 10	It depends on your body type....ectomorph, endomorph, etc...bottom line, if you want to bulk, you need a calorie surplus (in excess of your daily maintainance level). I'm an ectomorph (fairly small boned, 6'2", now @ 198#, but over the winter I go on the seefood diet......I see food; I eat it [within reason....no ice cream binges!), but you will probably gain some fat along with the muscle....like Jodi said....eat reasonable clean and you'll be fine....but eat LOTS of protein

03-23-2004, 12:29 PM	#5
squanto Fitness Celebrity Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cheese Cottage Posts: 1,471	im also seeing good results on the seefood diet. im pretty skinny naturally (was about 130# at 5'10" before i started piggin out). i just try to see food thats better for muscle gains... meat, beans, cheese, etc. im not particularly worried about cutting cuz i have to work really hard to put on weight anyway.

03-24-2004, 03:15 PM	#11
aztecwolf Sackin' up every day Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: san diego Posts: 1,267 Photos: 3	i wasn't even showing up on the caliper tests i definately needed to add some -Sack Up- "If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?" Pink Floyd, Another Brick in the Wall

03-24-2004, 09:28 PM	#13
aztecwolf Sackin' up every day Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: san diego Posts: 1,267 Photos: 3	no, i was startin to look like "sucked az" i am at a much better state now, with more muscle and fat, feelin and lookin a whole hell of a lot better -Sack Up- "If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?" Pink Floyd, Another Brick in the Wall

03-24-2004, 09:30 PM	#14
aggies1ut NorCal Elite Member* Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sacramento, Ca. Posts: 3,580 Photos: 19	I know, lol. However, it's more fun to have to gain fat, than have to lose it.

03-24-2004, 09:35 PM	#15
aztecwolf Sackin' up every day Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: san diego Posts: 1,267 Photos: 3	yeah serious i eat like a pig now, and no more hardcore 2 a days -Sack Up- "If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?" Pink Floyd, Another Brick in the Wall

03-25-2004, 04:32 PM	#20
calalily1972 Moderator Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,438 Photos: 1	Think Powerlifters - they carry a MUCH higher bodyfat than the norm. Regardless, you don't need fat to build muscle

03-25-2004, 04:37 PM	#21
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,967 Photos: 10	Thanks P-funk, Jodi* .. it makes sense.*

03-28-2004, 11:23 AM	#22
leg_press Starting a fresh Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: England United Kingdom Posts: 1,196 Photos: 4	okay cool, do you reckon my meal plan is okay though? "Lift big, eat big, rest big" "Rome wasnt built in a day" "Go heavy or go home."

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