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    Cutting diet problems. Please help. (Long-ish)

    Background: After 2 quarters (university) of haphazard weightloss, I've dropped from a 5'7", 210lb, 25-30% bf blob to a much thinner and better looking/feeling 157lb and approximately 13-15% bf. Well, Spring quarter just started and it's time to do it right, this time, and cut down to 10% (or less) and hopefully pack on some muscle in the process (lifting newbie, hoping for those infamous gains). But there's a problem.

    The Problem: Approximately 80-90% of my food intake comes from the university dining hall. Unfortunately, the university food service doesn't consult me before they decide what they're going to serve, so I have to make allowances for this as I simply can not afford (literally) to feed myself. I buy old-fashioned oatmeal, some canned tuna/salmon, natural PB, and whey powder (Pro-Rated), and that's about it.

    Specifically, the meat and carbs provided by the dining halls are, to put it lightly, less than ideal for a fat cutting diet. During the day, really the only meat they have that I can partake of (ie:no hamburgers/hotdogs/etc...) are deli meats: turkey, roast beef, ham, salami, and so on. Out of these, turkey is the healthiest, but is obviously processed and you can virtually taste the sodium. Their roast beef, on the other hand, appears to be totally unprocessed slices of an actual chunk of beef. Great and all, but roast beef is pretty fatty (though when I do eat it, I slice off all the visible fat). I won't even get started on the ham.

    And carbohydrates? GOOD carbohydrates? HAH. We get brown rice MAYBE once every month (although that sticky white rice with a GI of 91684 is available most days), I've yet to see a yam, and to tell you truth, while I have no idea how to tell a sweet potato from a white potato, I am quite sure that the majority of the ones they offer are of the latter variety. (Sometimes they have those small red-skinned potatoes, how are those?) And there's pasta. Standard white pasta.

    Dinner's a bit better, except for the days when we get meatloaf, as it generally consists of pretty lean beef, chicken, turkey, pork, or fish (salmon, catfish, mahi mahi being the most common).

    Hell, just about the only decent, constantly-available carb they have is fruit. Apples, oranges, pears.

    So, I need your advice. Starting this week, my daily routine goes like this:
    Going for 1800 cals a day at 40/40/20
    Lots of water (5+ daily refills of a 33oz bottle) and a multivitamin.
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    9:00 Wake up

    9:10 1/2 cup oatmeal + water, Splenda, and 22g of protein from powder.

    10:00 workout (HIIT or weights, depending on the day)

    10:45 One scoop whey + skim milk or water (I get differing opinions here. I am also ordering some dextrose this week to mix in to the shake post-workout for the 2:1 c ratio)

    12:10 Deli meat (turkey/chicken/roast beef) +
    veggies (tomatoes + cucumber)

    3:00 The same as ^ ^ ^

    6:00 Whatever meat is being served for dinner,
    unless it's something I shouldn't eat,
    like meatloaf, in which case I substitute tuna. Generally, if it's something covered in something I shouldn't have (breading/terriyaki sauce/whatever) I scrape/wipe it the hell off.

    9:00 Unsure

    10:30 Serving of fat free cottage cheese + splenda (maybe some nat PB)
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    Well, after doing this yesterday, I noticed a pretty severe carb definciecy. Even after I broke down for the 9pm meal and had about 120 calories combined of fries and mashed potatoes (maybe 8 shoestrings and like 2 tablespoons of taters).
    You can view it here: http://fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJourn...ner=wonderogre (though remember that it was the 5th of April)

    Any help or advice regarding what I can do to even out the values some, hopefully without spending any more money, would be greatly appreciated.

    Pics and a small movie: http://www.habibsdepot.com/pics/pics.html

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    Hi Habib!
    it sounds like you are in quite the tuffie situ with the cafeteria and limited funds for foods yourself. you have the right idea of oats, whey, tuna and natty pb. those will greatly help. as you said, those processed meats that they have in the cafeteria are terrible for you. the only good thing I can hear from their menu is the veggies, fruits and dinners dont sound too terrible with lean meats. do they serve boiled eggs or something in the mornings?? those red skinned potatoes they serves arent bad either, better than plain white potatos.
    -first I would suggest upping your protein if you can. sounds hard. how about adding at least another 1/2scoop of protein at breakfast?
    your dextrose/whey post workout works great
    hmmm I would have a peice of that fruit with your following meal with those veggies. that deli meat is brutal though. how about a can of tuna? and add in some healthy fats too! do they have like olive oil or what not available? you could also add in a serving of oats there or the red potatos to get your carbs up some.
    definitly add in the natural pb with your cottage cheese before bed.
    are you able to take 'doggy bags' with you of food? like get a second serving and take some with you?

    I might also add that it appears to me that you dont really have much fat to loose, and you defintly work on building up some more muscle, you have a decent base now to build on.. with the best of diet that you can get along with heavy weight training that will help to pack on more muscle, boost your metabolism and shed that unwated fat(as long as you stick to clean eating).
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    That sucks abot your cafateria food...my school gets catered(sp?)

    But then again i am in high school...and its a small school

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    sweet potatoes look similar to yams
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    All I can say is that I relate. I've been whining (as people well know) abouy my own literal inability to "feed myself". I don't live on campus, but I can't very well expect my father to shell out gobs of money for my food, even though he has a high paying job. Just isn't right, and he doesn't believe in what I'm doing anyway. I have no job, since I am a full time student.

    Ah well, I can't afford 50$ of lean meat and assorted other bits per week, so I try and aim for getting whatever is the most bang for my buck. For instance, 75% of my protein intake comes from whey - either in shakes alone, or slowed down by a meal with healthy fats. Lets face it, a 50$ tub of whey that can last up to a month is much more affordable than 50$ of meat per week.

    As to Deli meat, alot of people here give it a bad rep, but there are some kinds that aren't that bad. The kind I get here from my grocery store certainly isn't low in sodium, although it's not as high as most. It's lean, white turkey, and low fat. About 18 grams of protein per 100 grams. I go through about 600 grams per week, and it certainly doesn't seem to be hindering me.

    I suppose you simply have to make the best of a bad situation. Some things may not be ideal (i.e. the deli meat/general meat problem) but you take what you can get. Protein is neccesary, and it's better to take in a less than ideal form than not at all!
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    Originally posted by atherjen
    dinners dont sound too terrible with lean meats.
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    Today they had some basil and chive chicken. Basically skinless, bonesless breast fillets in some basil/chive marinade, the majority of which I scraped off. Mmmmmm.

    do they serve boiled eggs or something in the mornings?? those red skinned potatoes they serves arent bad either, better than plain white potatos.
    They do serve eggs, but they are sliced. It takes like an hour of picking through them to come up with 10 egg whites
    Although, today they had whole hard boiled eggs in the shell, and if that becomes a trend then at least one of my lunch meat meals gets the boot.

    -first I would suggest upping your protein if you can. sounds hard. how about adding at least another 1/2scoop of protein at breakfast?
    Upping it to what? I took in over 200g last night, and am on similar pace today (though I think I'm going to end up with slightly more carbs due to all the tomatoes I ate throughout the day).

    hmmm I would have a peice of that fruit with your following meal with those veggies.
    You mean the meal following my workout? If so, how long should I wait after my shake before I have it?
    add in some healthy fats too! do they have like olive oil or what not available?
    Hmm, maybe. Would pitted black olives work? They have..olive oil in them, right?

    definitly add in the natural pb with your cottage cheese before bed.
    are you able to take 'doggy bags' with you of food? like get a second serving and take some with you?
    How much PB? Also, we are "technically" not allowed to take food out of the dining halls. However, I recently started bringing a sandwich bag with me, loading up on something (tonight, I, umm, 'stole', 3 chicken breasts), and then moving off into a dark corner and stuffing it in the bag. Heh.
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    I might also add that it appears to me that you dont really have much fat to loose, and you defintly work on building up some more muscle, you have a decent base now to build on.. with the best of diet that you can get along with heavy weight training that will help to pack on more muscle, boost your metabolism and shed that unwated fat(as long as you stick to clean eating).
    Good to hear. I'll have a better idea of my BF when my Accumeasure calipers arrive some time this week. My scale says 15%, but most of the people who have seen my pictures say that that sounds too high. Well, we'll see.

    Thanks for your answers, and I'm sorry for asking so many questions in return.

    Edit: Regarding the post workout shake: fat free milk, or water?

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    Thought of another after reading some of the stickies:
    If am eating less than my body weight in carbs each day, should I incorporate a refeed at all? ATM it looks like I'm averaging 90-110 grams of carbs a day, (157lb, 15%bf).

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