Better to straight bulk ? or cycle carbs with bulk?

Mike N · 05-26-2004, 10:30 PM

Hey,

Was wondering was wondering how well everyone bulked on carb cycling or just straight bulk diet ?
I was reading article by Tom Venuto,he said you couldnt bulk on calorie deficit diet.
Is it true or not ?,I have heard some people bulk up pretty good on carb cycling.

**CowPimp** · 05-27-2004, 01:01 AM

I have never tried carb cycling, but I have managed to bulk quite a bit and maintain a 15% body fat without even counting macros in full. I know a lot of people have had success with carb cycling, but my half-assed method works for me. You can search for "bulking without macros" to check out my thread on it.

Twin Peak · 05-27-2004, 08:08 AM

True, you cannot "bulk" while in a caloric deficit.

That is not to say that you cannot gain muscle while in a caloric deficit, or that you cannot Carb Cycle while bulking.

In other words, you can cut or bulk while Carb Cycling, it simply depends on how you do it.

Vieope · 05-27-2004, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by Mike N
you couldnt bulk on calorie deficit diet.

I eat everything because I have no money to eat 4.5k of clean foods. IMO, that is the best method. You can get fat but you can loose fat so easily anyway.
You need to really wory about cutting. That must be a very strict diet.

**Jodi** · 05-27-2004, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by Vieope
I eat everything because I have no money to eat 4.5k of clean foods. IMO, that is the best method. You can get fat but you can loose fat so easily anyway.
You need to really wory about cutting. That must be a very strict diet.

I think this is a very poor method. Not everyone can drop fat that easy first of all. Second of all our health is another concern and eating crap all the time is NOT healthy.

Vieope · 05-27-2004, 08:23 AM

It is not crap all the time. I just don´t worry if I eat bad once and a while. Is there such thing as harm your health with bad foods in short term? No, the problem is that if you eat that for a long time.

I never saw someone who couldn´t drop fat easily.

Mike N · 05-27-2004, 08:46 AM

Hey,thanks for replies

Yeh i will look into macros now

Im eating about 2700-3000 calories day now,i have put on bit of fat, but also putting on some solid muscle pretty good aswell

i have gone up from 169 to 178 in about 4 weeks i think

LAM · 05-27-2004, 10:16 AM

I can't see gains on a carb cycle being that great or the real purpose behind cycling carbs on a "bulk". the key to gaining quality LBM is keeping insulin levels constant and sufficient to keep the body in a anabolic state which will not happen on low carb and no carb days...

rockcrest · 05-27-2004, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by Vieope

I never saw someone who couldn´t drop fat easily.

come to america

Vieope · 05-27-2004, 11:59 AM

aztecwolf · 05-27-2004, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by rockcrest
come to america

oh yeah that's awesome,
it was great i saw some larger fellow waddling his way uphill while i was at a stop light, he made a direct b-line to kfc (no longer kentucky fried chicken, because of the fried connoctation seems unhealthy, hmm i wonder why)

**CowPimp** · 05-27-2004, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jodi

I think this is a very poor method. Not everyone can drop fat that easy first of all. Second of all our health is another concern and eating crap all the time is NOT healthy.

Agreed. However, I do think it is easier for most people to lose fat than gain muscle, not considering beginner gains. Everyone is different though, and some people definitely have serious trouble losing fat.

Vieope · 05-27-2004, 01:53 PM

If you are in a healthy caloric deficit, it is impossible to not lose weight.

LAM · 05-27-2004, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CowPimp
However, I do think it is easier for most people to lose fat than gain muscle, not considering beginner gains.

that is basically because most people do not take the time to educate themselves on how the foods that they consume have a direct effect on the endocrine system. once that is learned gaining LBM is a much easier task...

I always tell people that going to the gym is the easy part...

Vieope · 05-27-2004, 02:12 PM

LAM, I think that you posted this article a few weeks ago:
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/...on/diet-01.htm
It is nice but I couldn´t understand it all.

atherjen · 05-27-2004, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by CowPimp
Agreed. However, I do think it is easier for most people to lose fat than gain muscle, not considering beginner gains. Everyone is different though, and some people definitely have serious trouble losing fat.

not to mention that the more fat that is gained during a "bulk" period, the longer or harder it may take that individuel to diet, and depending on how they approach diet, the risk of loosing lean mass(muscle) is to take into concern as well.

what I have done in the past successfully is keep carbs higher on training days and lower on rest days.

Premo55 · 05-27-2004, 03:04 PM

Man atherjen is kinda hot. Haha.

I'm carb cycling with my next bulk as an experiment, considering I've been on conventional slow bulks for so long.

Peace.

**CowPimp** · 05-27-2004, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LAM
that is basically because most people do not take the time to educate themselves on how the foods that they consume have a direct effect on the endocrine system. once that is learned gaining LBM is a much easier task...

I always tell people that going to the gym is the easy part...

I understand this, but it is totally reasonable to lose 1 pound of body fat per week. However, it is completely ridiculous to think you can gain 1 pound of lean body mass per week no matter how fine tuned your diet and training is. If you're really advanced, then 1 pound per month is amazing.

**CowPimp** · 05-27-2004, 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by Premo55
Man atherjen is kinda hot. Haha.

Indeed. She looks gorgeous in her new avatar.

rockcrest · 05-27-2004, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by aztecwolf
kfc (no longer kentucky fried chicken, because of the fried connoctation seems unhealthy, hmm i wonder why)

its funny you say that. i had this same conversation with someone earlier today about kfc. i heard they cant call it chicken because its genetically engineered or cloned chicken with extra legs or something like that. the same goes with boston market. it used to be called boston chicken...not sure if that is on the west coast or not dewd.

sorry about the thread hijack

LAM · 05-27-2004, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by CowPimp
I understand this, but it is totally reasonable to lose 1 pound of body fat per week. However, it is completely ridiculous to think you can gain 1 pound of lean body mass per week no matter how fine tuned your diet and training is. If you're really advanced, then 1 pound per month is amazing.

that is true but you have to remember that the biological mechanisms regarding fat loss are totaly different than those used in anabolism, hypertrophy and the creation of new muscle cells (hyperplasia).

you can have all the knowledge in the world, all the time to train and follow the best diet but your body can only produce so many new muscle cells in a given amount of time...

**CowPimp** · 05-27-2004, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LAM
that is true but you have to remember that the biological mechanisms regarding fat loss are totaly different than those used in anabolism, hypertrophy and the creation of new muscle cells (hyperplasia).

you can have all the knowledge in the world, all the time to train and follow the best diet but your body can only produce so many new muscle cells in a given amount of time...

Exactly.

aztecwolf · 05-27-2004, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by LAM

I always tell people that going to the gym is the easy part...

sad thing is that a majority of the people are too lazy to even realize that

05-26-2004, 10:30 PM	#1
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05-27-2004, 08:08 AM	#3
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Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,815 Photos: 10	It is not crap all the time. I just don´t worry if I eat bad once and a while. Is there such thing as harm your health with bad foods in short term? No, the problem is that if you eat that for a long time. I never saw someone who couldn´t drop fat easily.
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05-27-2004, 10:16 AM	#8
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	I can't see gains on a carb cycle being that great or the real purpose behind cycling carbs on a "bulk". the key to gaining quality LBM is keeping insulin levels constant and sufficient to keep the body in a anabolic state which will not happen on low carb and no carb days...
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05-27-2004, 08:46 AM	#7
Mike N Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Australia, Perth Posts: 65	Hey,thanks for replies Yeh i will look into macros now Im eating about 2700-3000 calories day now,i have put on bit of fat, but also putting on some solid muscle pretty good aswell i have gone up from 169 to 178 in about 4 weeks i think

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Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,815 Photos: 10
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05-27-2004, 01:53 PM	#13
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,815 Photos: 10	If you are in a healthy caloric deficit, it is impossible to not lose weight.
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05-27-2004, 02:12 PM	#15
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,815 Photos: 10	LAM, I think that you posted this article a few weeks ago: http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/...on/diet-01.htm It is nice but I couldn´t understand it all.
	FURtherness

05-27-2004, 03:04 PM	#17
Premo55 Mic Murderer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 1,059	Man atherjen is kinda hot. Haha. I'm carb cycling with my next bulk as an experiment, considering I've been on conventional slow bulks for so long. Peace.
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