weird cutting macros...help?

nikegurl · 07-21-2004, 11:26 AM

i have the opportunity to work with a nutritionist who i've heard great things about. in fact, one of the women he trains just competed in the Nationals this past weekend in Vegas.

i like him very much and was very eager to see the eating plan he put together for me. now that i have it...i'm a bit worried.

my calories seem about right. he has me eating more on my 5 training days than on my 2 off days so that makes sense.

the part that doesn't is the macros.

when i figure them out it's 35% protein, 40% carb and 25% fat. that seems weird and not at all like any of the cutting plans i'm used to. fat seems high. protein seems low...

1808 calories on training days (5 days a week)
154 g protein
183 g carb
51 g fat

on my 2 "off" days its set up as

1489 calories
151 g protein
123 g carb
44 g fat

what do you all think? i know if i'm going to work with him i have to listen and follow his plan but i don't want to follow something that's "whacked"

LAM · 07-21-2004, 11:33 AM

personally I go by 1.5 grams of protein per lb of LBM not total bodyweight..

Jeff98 · 07-21-2004, 11:39 AM

25% fat definitely seems kinda high. Most recommend 15-20%

I'd drop the fat 5% and add more protein.

LAM · 07-21-2004, 11:42 AM

actually 20% is the bare minimum for fat intake (contest prep excluded) so 25% fat is not high at all. anything of 35% would be considered high especially since isocaloric diets are very poplular and successfull at 33% fats...

nikegurl · 07-21-2004, 11:50 AM

thanks. the way he has it i'm getting about 1.3 grams of protein per pound of lbm.

do you think i should go with it for a few weeks LAM? if i raise the protein i'll have to lower the fat or carbs b/c i don't want to go any higher with my calories. they're at the "upper" range for me in terms of cutting (which I like - but i don't want to go higher)

nikegurl · 07-21-2004, 11:52 AM

here's a sample (if the specifics help any)

Meal 1
3/4 c oats
4 egg whites
1 egg
2.5 tsp peanut butter
1/2 grapefruit
2 fish oil

Meal 2
3 oz tuna
11 olives
broccoli 1.5 cup
5 oz yam

Meal 3
1.5 scoops protein powder
1/2 Tbs flax
2 fish oil

Meal 4
3 oz chicken
1 cup broccoli
2 oz avocado
5 oz yam

Meal 5
4 oz ground sirloin
asparagus
1/2 med grapefruit
2 fish oil

Meal 6
1 scoop protein

CALORIES 1808
Protein 154 g
Carbs 184 g
Fat 51 g

LAM · 07-21-2004, 12:03 PM

what are your current macros ?

nikegurl · 07-21-2004, 12:12 PM

i've been all over the place. most recently 55/30/15.

atherjen · 07-21-2004, 03:40 PM

plan looks solid to me. Although I dont think that you should cut back on the fats at all. 25% isnt high at all but actaully a healthy level as long as the majority are coming from EFA sources, which in your case they are.

Protein is at a good level. I agree you should stick with 1.5g/LBM.. which you are very close too, if you wanted to slightly raise the protein, perhaps on your off day decrease the carbs by 10g and up the protein a little.

One thing that I would switch- is having some EFAs in your last meal with that protein shake. And remove the fats from the post workout meal(as I see there are some with every carb meal).

I say give it a real feel for a few weeks and see how YOU respond to it.

LAM · 07-21-2004, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atherjen

plan looks solid to me. Although I dont think that you should cut back on the fats at all. 25% isnt high at all but actaully a healthy level as long as the majority are coming from EFA sources, which in your case they are.

Protein is at a good level. I agree you should stick with 1.5g/LBM.. which you are very close too, if you wanted to slightly raise the protein, perhaps on your off day decrease the carbs by 10g and up the protein a little.

One thing that I would switch- is having some EFAs in your last meal with that protein shake. And remove the fats from the post workout meal(as I see there are some with every carb meal).

I say give it a real feel for a few weeks and see how YOU respond to it.

ditto...

nikegurl · 07-21-2004, 03:56 PM

thank you so much. i really did want to follow it but i was worried. i have confidence now to at least give it a go for a few weeks, see how i do and discuss any changes with him then (if i need to make any)

as for efas in my last meal...would yanking the 2 fish oil caps from meal 5 and putting them in meal 6 make a difference?

atherjen · 07-21-2004, 04:00 PM

good

Ill be interested to see how you do, make sure that you keep us updated with it weekly (in your journal)

hmmm not very much, thats only 2g fat. which is your post workout meal?

Jeff98 · 07-21-2004, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAM

actually 20% is the bare minimum for fat intake (contest prep excluded) so 25% fat is not high at all. anything of 35% would be considered high especially since isocaloric diets are very poplular and successfull at 33% fats...

You folks here know a lot more than I do about these things, but as an example, the BFFM book has an example meal plan for women in the appendix that has 3 phases.

Phase 1: 14.5% fat
Phase 2: 20.0% fat
Phase 3: 24.0% fat

Any thoughts?

carbchick · 07-21-2004, 10:00 PM

I also heard .3-.4gF per bodyweight as recommendation. How would that fit with this plan, nikegurl?

**Jodi** · 07-21-2004, 10:22 PM

I think what you have is going to work just fine. I wouldn't go messin with things. This plan was designed for you as is. Try it for a few weeks and if you are not getting the results you want then go see the nutritionist again

nikegurl · 07-22-2004, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbchick

I also heard .3-.4gF per bodyweight as recommendation. How would that fit with this plan, nikegurl?

that matches up. he has me at about .34 g fat per lb bodyweight on training days. thing is i've successfully cut on a lot lower fat AND on a lot higher fat. i'm still trying to find the best way for me - but a lot of ways work.

i'm going to stick with the plan as is for at least 2 weeks and we'll see how it goes from there (whether changes need to be made)

so far i like it and that's half the battle

(sticking with it!)

thanks everyone

**P-funk** · 07-22-2004, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atherjen

plan looks solid to me. Although I dont think that you should cut back on the fats at all. 25% isnt high at all but actaully a healthy level as long as the majority are coming from EFA sources, which in your case they are.

Protein is at a good level. I agree you should stick with 1.5g/LBM.. which you are very close too, if you wanted to slightly raise the protein, perhaps on your off day decrease the carbs by 10g and up the protein a little.

One thing that I would switch- is having some EFAs in your last meal with that protein shake. And remove the fats from the post workout meal(as I see there are some with every carb meal).

I say give it a real feel for a few weeks and see how YOU respond to it.

I agree with everything said here. That fat isn;t high. that is more the way that I diet and I have never had a problem.

nikegurl · 07-22-2004, 03:04 PM

thanks P-funk! that's good to know. i'm really liking the plan and for me - that's more than half the battle.

atherjen · 07-22-2004, 05:58 PM

you said it yourself Hilary!! if its something that YOU can stick to thats a huge part of success with any sort of diet!

nikegurl · 07-22-2004, 06:02 PM

i found a new benefit to someone else planning your meals. i learned that i love avocado and grapefruit. they're the high points of my day but a week ago i would have told everyone that i don't like them. good stuff i tell ya.

07-21-2004, 11:26 AM	#1
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	weird cutting macros...help? i have the opportunity to work with a nutritionist who i've heard great things about. in fact, one of the women he trains just competed in the Nationals this past weekend in Vegas. i like him very much and was very eager to see the eating plan he put together for me. now that i have it...i'm a bit worried. my calories seem about right. he has me eating more on my 5 training days than on my 2 off days so that makes sense. the part that doesn't is the macros. when i figure them out it's 35% protein, 40% carb and 25% fat. that seems weird and not at all like any of the cutting plans i'm used to. fat seems high. protein seems low... 1808 calories on training days (5 days a week) 154 g protein 183 g carb 51 g fat on my 2 "off" days its set up as 1489 calories 151 g protein 123 g carb 44 g fat what do you all think? i know if i'm going to work with him i have to listen and follow his plan but i don't want to follow something that's "whacked"
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-21-2004, 11:33 AM	#2
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	personally I go by 1.5 grams of protein per lb of LBM not total bodyweight..
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

07-21-2004, 11:39 AM	#3
Jeff98 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 36	25% fat definitely seems kinda high. Most recommend 15-20% I'd drop the fat 5% and add more protein.
Jeff98 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 36

07-21-2004, 11:42 AM	#4
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	actually 20% is the bare minimum for fat intake (contest prep excluded) so 25% fat is not high at all. anything of 35% would be considered high especially since isocaloric diets are very poplular and successfull at 33% fats...
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

07-21-2004, 11:50 AM	#5
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	thanks. the way he has it i'm getting about 1.3 grams of protein per pound of lbm. do you think i should go with it for a few weeks LAM? if i raise the protein i'll have to lower the fat or carbs b/c i don't want to go any higher with my calories. they're at the "upper" range for me in terms of cutting (which I like - but i don't want to go higher)
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-21-2004, 11:52 AM	#6
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	here's a sample (if the specifics help any) Meal 1 3/4 c oats 4 egg whites 1 egg 2.5 tsp peanut butter 1/2 grapefruit 2 fish oil Meal 2 3 oz tuna 11 olives broccoli 1.5 cup 5 oz yam Meal 3 1.5 scoops protein powder 1/2 Tbs flax 2 fish oil Meal 4 3 oz chicken 1 cup broccoli 2 oz avocado 5 oz yam Meal 5 4 oz ground sirloin asparagus 1/2 med grapefruit 2 fish oil Meal 6 1 scoop protein CALORIES 1808 Protein 154 g Carbs 184 g Fat 51 g
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-21-2004, 12:03 PM	#7
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	what are your current macros ?
	Dumbest statement made in the Anabolic Zone for Nov TBD ----------------------------------------------------- What you talking about Willis ?

07-21-2004, 12:12 PM	#8
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	i've been all over the place. most recently 55/30/15.
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-21-2004, 03:40 PM	#9
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	plan looks solid to me. Although I dont think that you should cut back on the fats at all. 25% isnt high at all but actaully a healthy level as long as the majority are coming from EFA sources, which in your case they are. Protein is at a good level. I agree you should stick with 1.5g/LBM.. which you are very close too, if you wanted to slightly raise the protein, perhaps on your off day decrease the carbs by 10g and up the protein a little. One thing that I would switch- is having some EFAs in your last meal with that protein shake. And remove the fats from the post workout meal(as I see there are some with every carb meal). I say give it a real feel for a few weeks and see how YOU respond to it.
	" To dream anything you want to dream: That is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything you want to do: That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits: that is the courage to succeed." NPC Southern Classic, June 3rd NPC Cajun Classic, June 10th NPC Mississippi State July 22nd

07-21-2004, 03:56 PM	#11
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	thank you so much. i really did want to follow it but i was worried. i have confidence now to at least give it a go for a few weeks, see how i do and discuss any changes with him then (if i need to make any) as for efas in my last meal...would yanking the 2 fish oil caps from meal 5 and putting them in meal 6 make a difference?
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-21-2004, 04:00 PM	#12
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	good Ill be interested to see how you do, make sure that you keep us updated with it weekly (in your journal) hmmm not very much, thats only 2g fat. which is your post workout meal?
	" To dream anything you want to dream: That is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything you want to do: That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits: that is the courage to succeed." NPC Southern Classic, June 3rd NPC Cajun Classic, June 10th NPC Mississippi State July 22nd

07-21-2004, 10:00 PM	#14
carbchick Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 395	I also heard .3-.4gF per bodyweight as recommendation. How would that fit with this plan, nikegurl?
carbchick Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 395

07-21-2004, 10:22 PM	#15
Jodi Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 22,265 Photos: 1	I think what you have is going to work just fine. I wouldn't go messin with things. This plan was designed for you as is. Try it for a few weeks and if you are not getting the results you want then go see the nutritionist again
	Essence EFA

07-22-2004, 03:04 PM	#18
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	thanks P-funk! that's good to know. i'm really liking the plan and for me - that's more than half the battle.
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

07-22-2004, 05:58 PM	#19
atherjen DS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: MS Posts: 5,757	you said it yourself Hilary!! if its something that YOU can stick to thats a huge part of success with any sort of diet!
	" To dream anything you want to dream: That is the beauty of the human mind. To do anything you want to do: That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits: that is the courage to succeed." NPC Southern Classic, June 3rd NPC Cajun Classic, June 10th NPC Mississippi State July 22nd

07-22-2004, 06:02 PM	#20
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	i found a new benefit to someone else planning your meals. i learned that i love avocado and grapefruit. they're the high points of my day but a week ago i would have told everyone that i don't like them. good stuff i tell ya.
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

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