fantasma62

Jodi,

I have been reading your VERY INFORMATIVE sticky , however I have questions that I'll probably end up posting on this thread for you.
My first few questions are regarding the "grocery list". In the info. I don't see anything regarding Mayonnaise. Is this an EFA?
How about fruits? I see them in the list, but does that include all of the fruits?
Lastly, you say that real butter is better than spray or margarine? No, you don't say it, but in your list you mention that you should purchase real butter instead of the other two...
In my journal I said that there were a few things that contradicted everything I had ever learned about nutrition. The mayo and the butter thing has me a bit confused...

fantasma62

I apologize to all if the title is misleading, I just noticed that I am going to have 1 million views because of it.

By the way all, I wrote this to Jodi because she posted the sticky, but if anyone else cares to chime in, please by all means.....

calalily1972

Really butter and mayo are not your best choices for fat and no they are not EFA's. However, you can get Safflower Mayo at a natural food store or you can make your own mayo (do a search for efa mayo in recipe forum, I have a recipe in there I made up). These are better choices for mayo. As far as butter, well, its not really the best thing to have. It can be contradictory depending on what kind of diet you wish to follow. If you want a moderate to high carb diet than no, leave the butter and mayo OUT! If you want to follow a low carb diet such as CKD (Cyclical Ketogenic Diet) then some butter and mayo is fine providing you are getting in your EFA's.

It really depend upon the type of diet you wish to follow. Because you want to lean out and put on LBM then I would NEVER suggest any low carb diet for you. You should look more towards a 40/40/20 plan which is more of a lifestyle approach. You eat moderate amounts of protein and carbs and small amounts of fat. This, IMO, is the best approach for your goals.

fantasma62

Believe it or not, what you have written down just now has cleared up a bunch of those doubts that I was having this morning...

I wasn't sure where to begin or what to do, even after reading.
By the way, I really can't do low carb diets anymore. I had done the Atkins about 5 years ago and there were a lot of things that I could eat and couldn't eat. I could eat all the beef I wanted and not so much bread, so I started eating eggs, steaks, fats and yes, I lost weight but boy did I get saturated with fats. In fact, nowadays, I don't fry anything, I put very little mayo if any on things (I rather use fat free miracle whip) and use nothing other than Pam to grill or extra virgin olive oil to cook. That's one advantage, however, like all cubans I love fried ripen plantains. However, I can live without them, so I guess, in a way I am on the right path. I guess I have the late Dr. Atkins to thank for this. I hate grease.
Did you know that Dr. Atkins passed away obese and with heart, liver and cholesterol problems? Although they didn't exactly cause his death, he was in bad enough shape that he may not have gone on much longer....
Anyway, thanks a bunch

dalila

Hey fantasma, is that true abt dr. Atkins having died obese.. coz I saw him on Larry King's 5-6 weeks before he had an accident and died, and he looked pretty slim to me...

And just wanted to say plantains.... yum!! I love them griled with BBQ meat!! But I try not to eat them more tan like once a month...

fantasma62

Hi Dalila, according to the news reports, he was weighing over 250 pounds....He was about 5'5 and wasn't exercising much...then again, you can't always listen to what's in the news...What I should have said was "allegedly, Dr. Atkins...."
Regarding platains, Cubans eat them fried with black beans, rice and well, any meat, actually if now that I think about it, all latins like eating fried plantains.....I have to cut that out completely and dedicate myself to just eating bananas instead (I like those a lot too.)...I will sure miss them though...

fantasma62

I found this site while looking for how to calculate what calories I should consume...

http://www.wvda.org/calcs/index.htm

It says that one good way of accurately calculating the my caloric intake for weight loss, I should put in my desired weight and calculate.
However, it asks you if you how active you are. It calculated 2900 calories per day with moderate activity. However, it jumps to 3800 with "very active".
Once I start working out religiously, should I count that as "very active"? Or should I just stick with 2900 calories per day and not modify it?
Again, sorry if this has been asked before, I have been reading and haven't found the info. fast enough...

calalily1972

Why not try the calculations that I have in the sticky?

fantasma62

Because I am not the brightest lightbulb in the box and I can't find them at first glance. I'll look for it now...

fantasma62

...reading, reading, reading...I must not skip lines....
I quote: "Cut - 10-13 cals per lb of bodyweight"

Now, the fatter you are, the lower the number? What I mean is, should I calculate the caloric intake at 10 cals instead of the higher numbers? Does it matter?

Thanks and sorry for the oversight...

calalily1972

No start at the highest number. That way when progress slows down you can go a bit lower and drop cals as a tweak because you should NEVER drop below 10 cals per lb.

fantasma62

Thanks a bunch...believe it or not, that was basically the biggest hiccup on starting a nutritional plan was finding out what I needed to consume....

I think I can go from there...Of course, you know I'll be asking more questions....

fantasma62

Hi Jodi,

Another question from your favorite newbie (believe me, you make us feel that way).
Regarding the EFA, I am a fish and shellfish lover. It says in the sticky that fish twice a week is good for that purpose. How about if I was to eat it more like 4 times a week? Would that hurt me?

Changing up a little bit, I wanted to keep you updated of what I have come up with. I wasn't sure if I should write it down here or in my journal, but this being a Q&A forum, I decided to put it in my journal. If you have a chance, go by and punish me if I'm wrong ;-)

-Tony-

HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

calalily1972

Have as much fish and other seafood as your heart desires

You can post it here. I kind skim the journals because of the chatter and I may miss it.

fantasma62

This are my "nutritional splits":


Caloric intake for cutting for a 257 pound male: 3341. I have broken it down as follows:

40/40/20 = 1336.4/1336.4/668.2 = 334g/334g/74g

I have made the calculations and that is what I seem to come up with.
That being the case, I am now ready to start breaking down foods...

If I am wrong, please someone correct me before I start getting fatter, we can't have that...

-Tony-

HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

calalily1972

Looks perfect

fantasma62

Thanks Jodi!!!

Now for more. I have never been very big on supplements to get bigger or thinner. I literally tried Xenadrine once out of desperation (before they removed the ephedra) and I almost had a heart attack that day. My heart rate shot up and scared the begeezers out of me. You mentioned ICE for my recovery. I see everyone mentioning one thing or the other. Do I really need to take anything other than maybe glucosamine, multivitamin complex, ICE and fish oil pills? Should I add glutamine or does the ICE pretty much take care of things for me?
Thanks in advanced.....

-Tony-

HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

calalily1972

Don't go playing with supplements yet. Just stick with the ICE, Whey, glucosamine, multivitamin, and fish oil. This is plenty for now.

fantasma62

Thank you again....

-Tony-

HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

calalily1972

np

fantasma62

Jodi, I found this and was wondering if this is a good price for Whey and also if this is the one you were recommending in a thread on Whey:



http://www.easypricematch.com/viewit...idproduct=1023

-Tony-

HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

PreMier

www.allthewhey.com

10Lb 37$

P-side Inc.

"the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

calalily1972

I buy mine from www.blackstarlabs.com

fantasma62

They had ran out of the one you get Jodi, so I bought the Allthewhey one....

-Tony-

HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

fantasma62

Ok, regarding protein shakes, do I wait a bit or do I go ahead and buy good protein shakes to complement my meals?

-Tony-

HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

calalily1972

You can start using the shakes right away as a protein supplement.

fantasma62

Thanks again Jodi......

-Tony-

HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

fantasma62

Hi Jodi, the usual...questions...

Today I received ICE and tomorrow I'll receive my whey.
Can I replace a meal with Whey, ICE? How do you recommend that I, in my cutting phase drink ICE? Could that be also considered a protein shake? I looked for info. in their web page (Xtreme) but they are not very clear about what I am looking for....

-Tony-

HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training

kvyd

If your going to make whey a Meal throw something else in... Like half a cup of oats in the shaker or blender, and some peanuts would make a good meal.

Kevin


"If you eat alot and workout hard and consistantly you will make good gains"

fantasma62

Thanks Kevin....not a bad idea....I have these oats that I've been eating.....

-Tony-

HIHT: High Intensity Hybrid Training