Thread: will eating fruits hinder an Xtreme cutting diet

extreme cut? ditch the fruit bro

I don't know about anybody else but my own self but even 2 pieces of fruit a day and I seemed to always be gaining weight. Not muscle either. I used to run alot too. I have heard that before from others.

Originally Posted by bulletproof1

extreme cut? ditch the fruit bro

I disagree. Fructose fill liver glycogen which is needed for the FED state. It's help provide satiety longer and less cravings for carbs.

I think 1-2 pieces of fruit per day is fine so long as its coming from peaches, pears, apples, berries and grapefruit.

Originally Posted by Jodi

I disagree. Fructose fill liver glycogen which is needed for the FED state. It's help provide satiety longer and less cravings for carbs.

I think 1-2 pieces of fruit per day is fine so long as its coming from peaches, pears, apples, berries and grapefruit.

even for "extreme" cut? that was the key word.

I couldnt survive without a couple pieces a day

Originally Posted by bulletproof1

even for "extreme" cut? that was the key word.

I ate fruit on every carb day for my competition up until the last week.

Originally Posted by pmech

I couldnt survive without a couple pieces a day

Me too! i Loooooove fruit.

I like grapes

hey joey2005 - i know this wasn't your question....but your calories look extremely low as listed. have you added it up? what are the totals and what are your stats b/c this definitely looks like you need more food.

hey joey2005 - i know this wasn't your question....but your calories look extremely low as listed

maybe that is why he reffered to it as an "extreme cut"?

without knowing his stats or adding it all up - it looks more like borderline starvation than an extreme cut to me.

I do cardio 5x a week.

My meal plan daily is


1/2 cup rolled oats (no sugar)
1 scoop whey protein
245 CALORIES



cant of tuna
1/2 cup brown rice
320 calories


chicken breast
pear
140 calories

1 scoop protein shake
120

WEIGHTS

2 scoops protein shake/tuna and/or Chicken
400 calories


Tuna/brown nice/nuts (pb spponful)
340 calories

So about 1565 calories...would say 2k because of oragne juice etc. ...remember im trying to lose gut...not bulk up lol

u drink 450 calories of orange juice a day? definately get rid of that shit.

The pear and chicken breast must be more than 140 cals... no?

unless its an "a" cup

no i have 1 glass of OJ. and The chicken pear is 3 oz of chicken which is only 70 calories.

Originally Posted by Jodi

I disagree. Fructose fill liver glycogen which is needed for the FED state. It's help provide satiety longer and less cravings for carbs.

I think 1-2 pieces of fruit per day is fine so long as its coming from peaches, pears, apples, berries and grapefruit.

I agree

I have successfully dropped to very low BF% with 1 to 2 servings of fruit/day!

Originally Posted by joey2005

My meal plan daily is


1/2 cup rolled oats (no sugar)
1 scoop whey protein


cant of tuna
1/2 cup brown rice


chicken breast
pear

1 scoop protein shake

WEIGHTS

2 scoops protein shake


Tuna/brown nice/nuts (pb spponful)


Now my question is. Will eating fruit and carbs such as Brown rice and oatmeal hinder or prolong my results. I know your muscles need carbs, but Ive been reading up on posts and been reading about fruits,pasta,and bread being bad and othe ppl agreeing

that is a terrible diet...not balanced at all, no veggies no healthy fats (monounsaturated) or Omega 3's...no fiber either

looks like you are trying to starve yourself, especially with all of the exercise that you do. you will not get lean eating like that

Originally Posted by joey2005

no i have 1 glass of OJ. and The chicken pear is 3 oz of chicken which is only 70 calories.

2 ounces of chicken breast is 97 calories isn't it?

Your wasting your time trying to help his diet, people have told him over and over in other threads he needs to eat more, have some EFA's, fiber, balanced meals etc. but he won't listen, if he's so content on starving himself let him, I told him all the side effects of whats gonna happen to him from first hand experience and he's also gonna screw up his metabolsim so much it's gonna be hard as hell to lose weight, but if he won't listen then he can have the consequences, simple.

i dont get it. That meal plan is similiar to most ive seen everyone agree up on.. I have fats with tuna...thats omega 3 isnt it? and what about flaxseed oil? and theres about 70g of carbs in the oatmeal and god knows how much in the rice. Tell me where im sterring wrong...youve only told me to eat 2800 calories a day. Thats not telling me what to eat. And when i searched and have read the other threads on this subject this is what i conjured up form myself.

what are you stats ?

6ft 1 .. 192 lbs. dont know my body fat % but its pretty nasty around the waist. So i know should take in at least 192x100=1920 .. i know thats a start. BUt there are several stops...the fat station,protein station,and the carb/fat station. Where am I not balancedD?

Originally Posted by Jodi

I disagree. Fructose fill liver glycogen which is needed for the FED state. It's help provide satiety longer and less cravings for carbs.

I think 1-2 pieces of fruit per day is fine so long as its coming from peaches, pears, apples, berries and grapefruit.

and I'm only allowed one

Your alot smaller than he is too.

I still enjoy my fruits on refeed days

joey this is what I eat on my 2000 calorie days

Cardio before breakfast
Breakfast: 1 package of quaker regular no sugar added oatmeal
scoop of whey
1 very small apple

Snack: 1 oroweat carb counting tortilla wrap
1 can of tuna
1 very small apple

Lunch : Same as breakfast except no apple

Pilates/Abs

snack: 1 oroweat tortilla wrap
2 ounces of chicken breast (without skin)

Supper: 5 cups of broccoli flowerets
2 ounces of chicken breast
2 TBSP of becel 100% canoil or sunflower oil

Snack: 8 egg whites
2 TBSP of becel 100% canoil or sunflower oil

Totals: Calories - 2023
Fat - 65 (13 saturated)
Carbs - 132 (39 grams of fiber)
Protein - 244
I also take two multivitamins and 1000- 1500 mg of calcium citrate (thanks to Jodi's suggestion )

I know it's not the best diet in the world but it's the best i can do with my budget, see how I ALWAYS mix carbs and protein together (earlier in the day) and fat and protein together (later in the day) instead of just eating just protein at one sitting.

Cardio before breakfast

Tom - I thought you trying to add mass?? Fasted cardio is NEVER a good idea!! Especially if you are trying to BUILD muscle!! This is putting a huge stress on your body!! You should try to eat or drink SOMETHING beforehand!!

Totals: Calories - 2023
Fat - 65 (13 saturated)
Carbs - 132 (39 grams of fiber)
Protein - 244

You might also find that increasing your carbohydrates and decreasing your protein slightly will give you better results in terms of being able to add muscle. Carbs are NOT the enemy - they are essential to helping create an anabolic environment for muscle growth and can also HELP you stay lean if you eat the appropriate types of carbs appropriately!

lol well I was never sure if I should eat breakfast before or after cardio, I asked a question in the training section about how to make sure I don't get rid of any muscle when i do my cardio and they told me to eat some complexed carbs and protein after my cardio, so I figured do cardio before breakfast then eat my oats a whey afterwards. but I guess I'll eat that first before cardio lol

Also I only eat that meal plan twice a week, the other 5 days is 2800 calories and my carbs are like 250-300 grams, I eat 2000 caloreis twice a week to kinda give me body a break from all the carbs and protein going into it, cause at 122 pounds I know eating like 300 grams of protein/carbs isn't good on kidneys lol